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They actually do finally have an event coming up at a con
No clocks for a tournament though? that just seems like an awful mess waiting to happen.
OPR games were pretty fast and lethal last time I played unless you had a force full of regeneration. 2 hours should be more than enough for a 1500-2000 pts game assuming people actually know the rules.
This is what happens when you have an ''elite'' unit that gets too hyped up in the lore.
Space Marines already fall into this. A space marine with a boltgun should be terrifying. Yet in the table top they are a wet fart.
The Pokemon TCG, for example, properly represents powerful Pokemon along with their strengths and weaknesses
TCG games are very different beast compared to wargames. A TCG is based around rarity and power to maje that rarity desireable. Wargames unless they are historical or very "for fun" or pseudorpg tend to look for balance between factions since it's a huge ask to have somebody buy, build and paint a full army to have it be shit tier because the fluff.

Blood Bowl can also get away with different team tiers since each team requires a very low model count so it's easy to collect multiple teams.

Last time I checked, fluff states that a space marine is ... what, like 50 or 100 guardsmen? That's great on fluff, but how do you trabsfer that to the tabletop?
Not to mention that the excuse for their existence, the law that says the Church not being allowed to field men at arms, has been broken in
Didn't remember that little detail, ebough justification for me to set up the sororitas like they are. Can't wait to see trannies "also count" and suddenly make a mockery of the whole thing when you can field either sororitas or "sororitas" with T4
 
AS someone outside the hobby is it safe to say trench crusade got cucked?

Also how hard is it to build your own game system? I've never played any tabletop wargame or skirmish game but the rules for most seem like they exist or are the way they are only because its "part of the experience" or because other games have them
it it's not hard at all I could probably build a replacement for warhammer 40K and maybe two months then there'll be another two months of play testing
 
Yeah, they got that because the pawn the chuds didn't work.

The OG stance was:
-Huh fellow nerd, look at how dumb these chuds are. We made the chuds retarded, like how they are in real life. Birmingham is a planet that's like always dark because they are dumbasses, haha so funny, roight mate? They don't even know how the on button works, you want to be smart like me huh? Laugh at the chuds with me.... oh wasn't my own fart so graceful, an elegant allegory for capitalism? This will show them for all the wedgies uh-haaah! -read in nasal voice.

The new take isn't even satire. It is just plain old cult programming.
-We must add brave latinx black poc transqueens into everything. It is the doctrine. This will own the chuds and inceease my DEI score. Everything must be trans or the world will end! We must sissify and goon harder! Current year!!!! - read in robotic anger voice.

This will mean that all factions that can even remotely, will have trannies, faggots and niggers. Because not having them is what makes a faction good or bad.

Woke is a religion, and its tenets must be followed. Everything must contain it. The woke are like fundies on roids and state enforced mandates.
And you didn't recognize the relationship between the two? The very same people who used to preach about how capitalism and religion were bad when we were kids are the same people who taught the SJWs how to become radical leftists. It's an evolution of thought. Once they got anti-capitalism and skepticism in the door, they had more agendas that they eventually pushed down society's throat.

Last time I checked, fluff states that a space marine is ... what, like 50 or 100 guardsmen? That's great on fluff, but how do you trabsfer that to the tabletop?
Space Marines already fall into this. A space marine with a boltgun should be terrifying. Yet in the table top they are a wet fart.
Indeed. It would make more sense if they were as strong as they are in lore, but they're not as common or they'd cost more points. If you alter a game to let someone field a whole Space Marine army, the opposing team should be allowed to field twice as many models or more since the marines are so powerful.

Having them be a wet fart in the tabletop despite them being monsters in the lore is basically a case of false advertising, especially if the lore is supposed to get people into the tabletop.

Didn't remember that little detail, ebough justification for me to set up the sororitas like they are. Can't wait to see trannies "also count" and suddenly make a mockery of the whole thing when you can field either sororitas or "sororitas" with T4
I have seen more than my fair share of leftist 40K fans joking about male Sisters of Battle wearing high heels into combat, so that might not be far from becoming a reality, especially since trannies are part of the lore now.
 
I really hate the comparison between armies like the custodes and the pokemon TCG. They can try to represent the pokemon as being powerful with the cards, but then you have some kind of gimmick like EX or Vmax versions that just mop the floor with them that are also considered basic pokemon so there’s no point in using pokemon that need to evolve.

I mean SoB already kinda look like men ...
It’s this /tg/ meme

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I really hate the comparison between armies like the custodes and the pokemon TCG. They can try to represent the pokemon as being powerful with the cards, but then you have some kind of gimmick like EX or Vmax versions that just mop the floor with them that are also considered basic pokemon so there’s no point in using pokemon that need to evolve.
Counterpoint: EX and Vmax cards are quite common, cheap, and easy to get. You whip out yours, and the enemy whips out theirs. It's not the same as buying pricey model kits, painting them, and buying the codexes as well. Only for your super-elite faction of Custodes or Grey Knights to get crushed by some random Ork player, or some dweeb who dipped all his Primaris Marines in blue or green paint so that he can have Guilliman or the Lion crush your forces like they're nothing.
 
GW is a publicly traded company. It isn't like Rebel Moon or Star Wars where it had one big owner for a long time.

I don't think any of the old guys are still around working for GW. And yes, while both leftists, there are a lot of differences between fedora tippers and woke worshippers. That's why one was ridiculed, the other feared. One is a looser nerd, the other is a frothing mouth fanatic who will try to lynch you with his 20 antifa buddies if he can. Plus the Woke aren't anti-capitalists. They love big corporations, they love sucking the goyslop and consooom. They are perhaps the most capitalist people on the net, if somewhat more in the consumer side. They are the very idea that the hippies would find distatestful, the most corporate of cocksuckers.

Wokeism may have been invented to break the Wallstreet Occupy movement, and it was super effective.

GW went from edgy nerds to suits who wanted money, to now suits who want to appraise the woke and make that fabled New Modern Audiences with the MESSAGE.

I fully expect the Imperium to drop religion after Girliman tells them its all fake, and be all properly ashamed of themselves and woke. The Emperor will be reborn as a retarded nigger faggot in a wheelchair. They will be transformed into the goodest of guys, always caring about pronouns and niceties. All the grimdark will be cut down, and the old Imperium will be quickly forgotten, not to be missed.

This is the same thing as happened with ST, SW. Let the past die, kill it if you have to. The woke can't allow any of the Four Olds to stand.
 
I fully expect the Imperium to drop religion after Girliman tells them it’s all fake, and be all properly ashamed of themselves and woke.
Books have brought up that issue. Guilliman’s smart enough to realize banning religion is going to invite civil war so he’s not going to bring back the Imperial Truth. However, he has seen phenomena that demonstrate the power of faith and his beliefs have been challenged. He even started reading the Lectito Divinitatus.
 
OPR games were pretty fast and lethal last time I played unless you had a force full of regeneration. 2 hours should be more than enough for a 1500-2000 pts game assuming people actually know the rules.
Doesn't seem like a reason to avoid clocks then. If a full game can be done in 2 hours easy, then the clock becomes irrelevant except to make sure someone isn't just slow-playing and being an ass.
Books have brought up that issue. Guilliman’s smart enough to realize banning religion is going to invite civil war so he’s not going to bring back the Imperial Truth. However, he has seen phenomena that demonstrate the power of faith and his beliefs have been challenged. He even started reading the Lectito Divinitatus.
Didn't Dark Imperium go over that? I'm pretty sure that's the one where someone finds him a first edition print of the lectitio divinitatus at the end of the third book because he wants to believe in the power of faith after needing the emperor to save him from mortarion.
 
I mean SoB already kinda look like men ...
So it won't be that hard for GW to introduce trans women in the ranks of the Sisters. Maybe even have new models with codpieces........

I don't think any of the old guys are still around working for GW. And yes, while both leftists, there are a lot of differences between fedora tippers and woke worshippers. That's why one was ridiculed, the other feared. One is a looser nerd, the other is a frothing mouth fanatic who will try to lynch you with his 20 antifa buddies if he can.
You don't realize that the latter is an evolved form of the former. In fact, a lot of the former fedora-tippers from the old Skeptic days, if they didn't go alt-right and break bread with religious conservatives, they became breadtubers who now simp for the SJW cause. As for GW, again, it's a company in leftist Britain where the average person, which includes the average corpo officer and investor, are leftist. And yes, the Black Library people at least swing to the left; they've been pining for female Custodes for years. Ironically, some of the most non-leftist people in GW were the suits who did fear that introducing female Custodes and marines would piss off the fans.

Plus the Woke aren't anti-capitalists. They love big corporations, they love sucking the goyslop and consooom. They are perhaps the most capitalist people on the net, if somewhat more in the consumer side. They are the very idea that the hippies would find distatestful, the most corporate of cocksuckers.
Depends. Some love the corporations and swallow all their slop, but others pirate everything and dream of the day they'll lead a socialist revolution. In fact, there's more argument for the latter in most fandoms, since corporations most of the time lose money by going woke, showing that the woke aren't the main consumers of their slop. And of course, since these yahoos engage in piracy, they've done more damage to corporations than the hippies ever did.

There's a reason why GW doesn't really care to go after scalpers, but they go nuts when someone passes STL files that look like 40K characters, and if someone uses custom models in their official events.

GW went from edgy nerds to suits who wanted money, to now suits who want to appraise the woke and make that fabled New Modern Audiences with the MESSAGE.
Nah, they are what they've always been. Posing as leftists while mooching off the paypigs. They have as much dedication to SJW ideology as they did to the old anti-conservative ideology. Their real motive has always been to drain the money off the paypigs. As a publicly-traded company, that is their prerogative. And in that regard, they've done rather well.

I fully expect the Imperium to drop religion after Girliman tells them its all fake, and be all properly ashamed of themselves and woke. The Emperor will be reborn as a retarded nigger faggot in a wheelchair. They will be transformed into the goodest of guys, always caring about pronouns and niceties. All the grimdark will be cut down, and the old Imperium will be quickly forgotten, not to be missed.
Books have brought up that issue. Guilliman’s smart enough to realize banning religion is going to invite civil war so he’s not going to bring back the Imperial Truth. However, he has seen phenomena that demonstrate the power of faith and his beliefs have been challenged. He even started reading the Lectito Divinitatus.
That could happen. Given how it affects the Sisters, Gorillaman might even support a certain version of the Faith. But I predict it to be a version that is more Pope Francis than Pope Benedict, where he'll emphasize the love and tolerance of their god, how he valued open minds and open hearts. A civil war will brew within the church; one side has more open-minded clergy who are being guided by the living Saint Celestine who speaks of the Emperor's new progressive plan, the other is filled with clergy who are more backwards, traditional, willing to kill people for even worshiping the wrong way.

And when the two fight, the Emperor speaks, appearing in a vision along with Celestine, saying that the time for darkness is over, and the time for progress is now. Tens of thousands of Sisters sacrifice their life-energies so that the message from the Emperor could be sent, but once it is sent, it becomes permanent, and the Imperium begins changing for good.

That is, if they stick with the idea of the Imperium being salvageable.
 
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Counterpoint: EX and Vmax cards are quite common, cheap, and easy to get. You whip out yours, and the enemy whips out theirs. It's not the same as buying pricey model kits, painting them, and buying the codexes as well. Only for your super-elite faction of Custodes or Grey Knights to get crushed by some random Ork player, or some dweeb who dipped all his Primaris Marines in blue or green paint so that he can have Guilliman or the Lion crush your forces like they're nothing.
That’s fair, to be honest here. It’s also an argument for accessibility of game pieces. Anyone can buy a [current meta] EX/V/Vmax/GX card at competitive prices, but so many 40K models go NIS and they wind up exploding on eBay. A good example is the immolator. Every one I’ve seen has been at the $100+ mark, some even going for $400.
 
That’s fair, to be honest here. It’s also an argument for accessibility of game pieces. Anyone can buy a [current meta] EX/V/Vmax/GX card at competitive prices, but so many 40K models go NIS and they wind up exploding on eBay. A good example is the immolator. Every one I’ve seen has been at the $100+ mark, some even going for $400.
Exactly. It's all accessible. The new Pokemon EX/VMAX cards are easy to buy, and the stores sell plenty of 'em, ready to go. Meanwhile, GW has artificial shortages and scalpers making it hard to buy the good stuff, and the rules can easily change and the meta can make your previously-elite army into punching bags. So even if you broke the piggy bank to buy a good pack from a scalper, or stayed up late at night to order said pack before the official website ran out of it, you'd still get fucked if a future update makes your models worthless in the new meta.

The Pokemon TCG makes scalpers worthless by re-releasing old rare cards in greater quantities, as well as releasing new rare cards that make old rares look like crap. So the dude trying to sell a Charizard from the 2000s for a thousand bucks looks rather silly when the average kid can get a Charizard GX for 20 bucks.

GW rewards scalpers, Nintendo treats scalpers like the scum they are.
 
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Doesn't seem like a reason to avoid clocks then. If a full game can be done in 2 hours easy, then the clock becomes irrelevant except to make sure someone isn't just slow-playing and being an ass.
Fair, could also just be that either it's a "try and get people to just play" event so they don't have clocks to remove the "it's serous business" vibe or simply that it's their first big event and they just aren't aware that people can be cunts with stuff like that. I just wanted to clarify that compared to 40K which is stupidly long for what usually happens, OPR is pretty compact, only 4 turns, less models and units on the table proportionally, and stuff starts dying fast if not careful. It does have more analysis paralysis than 40K due to alternating activation which is where I could see most time going since resolving things is pretty quick as well.

But honestly, I just think they want to get people on the table and remove anything that may scare off people from giving it a go and they'll wing it. I hope they have success but who knows.
 
I mean, lets be honest when it came to female or male head sculpts, GW somehow always sucked at these.
Yeah, I'm not even going on a "trannies ruin everything" angle for this. Just some guy that gets the model in the painting team and goes "lol, woman" and adds the beard shadow there. Their "female faces" have always been on the.... uncanny side to put it politely and even the ones that look properly like woman a good number of times look weird.
 
Yeah, I'm not even going on a "trannies ruin everything" angle for this. Just some guy that gets the model in the painting team and goes "lol, woman" and adds the beard shadow there. Their "female faces" have always been on the.... uncanny side to put it politely and even the ones that look properly like woman a good number of times look weird.
Its kinda weird how all their human faces always sucked, yet the Xeno or Monsters ones always looked top notch, you'd think since their days workin with D&D they would have learned by now.
 
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