WhimsicalTrolli
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Hey guys, I'm more into model building. I was looking for paints, what do you guys think of vallejo, AK interactive, hiro (filipino paint set), feel free to recommend some paints.
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Vallejos Game Paints arent bad, Id day they have a better colorin than some Citadel paints do.
Newer Vallejo, AK 3rd gen, Army Painter Fanatic(this one actually surprised me), pro acryl, are all decent from personal experience. Never even heard of Hiro, so can't comment on it. For metallics specifically, vallejo metal color(not model color) beats everything else out there without getting into stuff that's obnoxious to use(like laquer and alcohol based paints). Pro acryl's distribution is kinda shit even in the US, so if you're outside of the US it'll probably be hard to find or have too much of a markup to be worth it. But the vallejo, AK, and army painter stuff if I only had one(plus the vallejo metal color) and couldn't get anything else, I'd be fine with that.
Other paints I've got experience with that I generally don't recommend...
Scale75 is kinda shit(weird gel consistency of paint, and it's inconsistent between colors)
Privateer press P3 is good, but the company has been falling apart for years so the availability is bad, and who even knows if it'll exist in a year
Reaper, hit and miss with their paint. Some is fine, some is mediocre. Availability has also been hit and miss the past couple of years due to the owner dying and the family having an internal fight over the business.
Citadel, fuck GWs overpriced shit.
Meng, inconsistent crap
Army painter warpaints(the older line) is some of the worst shit out there.
Secret Weapon, dead company don't buy into this if you see it around
Tamiya, generally a pain in the ass unless you're airbrushing it
Ammo, mediocre paint and there's better options.
Kimera, overpriced for what it is. If you want single pigment paints, just buy Golden or Liquitex for less.
Daler Rowney inks, really good for certain things(fluorescents, transparent colors, the white is really good)
Some of the contrast/speed/etc. paints are ok for some things. Like if you don't want to spend time painting leather straps, or skeletons some of that is a great time saver for things that aren't the focus of whatever you're doing. But they suck for large flat surfaces, and usually take a lot of experimenting to thin properly and not leave weird streaks and shit, while costing more.
WhimsicalTrolli
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Thanks for the detailed recommendations. So far I thought of picking up at least 2 or 3 Citadels for Gold & Red (Retribution armor & Mephiston Red are considered the definitive Gold & Red paints)
I remember they have a limit range but you are able to create many colors from those limited colors, right?
Oh really? I always see army painter got a bad reputation in most mini/model painting spaces, what do you think of the new speed paint line?
Is the newest line Xpress?
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I've been impressed by Mig's new Atom range. It's still intended for an airbrush but, unlike your caveat with Tamiya above, it also brushes excellently.
I'm not sure how it compares against most of the other recent acrylic lines - quality seems to have risen a lot in recent years, but most aren't available to me - but I've preferred it to my limited experience with the (still good) Warpaints Fanatic.
Avoiding a double-post:
Cheap and nasty has been AP's traditional go-to, but Warpaints Fanatic are definitely a significant step up.
Xpress is a Contrast-like, as with AP speedpaints. The new paints are still VGC and VMC, just in new bottles with a new formula (which supposedly has problems with bubbling, but I can't comment because no-one near me stocks Vallejo).
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They are the worst gold paints. Again, Vallejo Metal Color. 3:2 gold and copper gets an actual decent gold color that doesn't just look metallic yellow, and it covers well. The only reason to use retributor armor is if you specifically want that particular look. Vince adds extra pigment but I don't think it's particularly necessary myself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26_1W7zR-cA
Yes, because they're single pigment paints. But like I mentioned, you can do this with any artist acrylic from Golden, Liquitex, etc.
Their original warpaints line, like I mentioned further down the post was fucking garbage. I haven't used their speed paints, I personally avoided them the moment I saw the weird reactivation crap they had to correct with a 2.0 verison but I don't imagine there too different than vallejo/GWs contrast/etc.
I have used some of their xpress paints and they're alright. They've recently(within the past year or so) re-did their game color and model color lines with new branding, changed some tones on a couple colors, added some, etc. This youtube guy covers them well. https://www.youtube.com/@stahly_taleofpainters/videos
Yeah, I've seen the atom stuff marketed lately, not familiar with it. Just the "basic" line branded as ammo. The quality of acrylic mini paints has definitely gone up with the stuff released in the past couple of years, especially army painter coming up with a product that isn't just awful(older warpaints line) or defective and needing a 2.0 version.
Another brand I don't have experience with but generally try to avoid, is Green Stuff World. The patent troll shit they pull, fucking with people over leaf shaped paper punches and shit is some of the worst business practices, that make GW seem saintly at times. Fuck those guys.
edit: Also, speaking of Golden and Liquitex. Don't buy the damn tiny bottles of various overpriced mediums from these miniature paint companies. You can get more for your money by just buying some matte medium, flow aid, retarder, etc. in in bulk. Same goes for most of the GW basing shit, it's just crackle paste and pumice gel pre-dyed for $5 for a tiny spoonful(while a bottle of paint will last quite a long time, you'll go through a lot of this shit when basing, depending on your scheme obviously). Golden, Liquitex, Winsor & Newton, and the various other big artist acrylic brands are not the same as the shit applebarrel and folkart brand craft paints from the fabric store. American Journey, Jo Sojna, and Holbein would be some other proper artist acrylic paint brands out there as well. Same thing goes for brushes, you don't need an overpriced citadel brush, if you've got a proper art store nearby selling Princeton and Winsor & Newton you've got a lot of options at various price points in their acrylic and water color lines of brushes that work fine or are better than most of the gimmick miniature paint branded stuff out there(and I've mentioned it in this thread before but that bullshit $100 artus opus dry brush set is just a basic short goat hair mop brush set, there's one floating around on amazon lately for $20 also marketed for drybrushing that accomplishes the same thing).
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WhimsicalTrolli
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Oh really? I saw a model builder using it for and it looked pretty decent.
Oh sweet. I'll give them a look. I didn't know of the rebrand.
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Seconding the recommendation of Stahly. He does good work and his swatches are leagues ahead of most other available options.
Yes, the base Ammo line definitely wasn't spectacular.
I got a few bottles before seeing stahly mention that, and hadn't seen it as a complaint anywhere myself and hadn't run into it. As he mentions in the video covering them, he doesn't swish his brush around fast enough to make bubbles in the first place. I have caused bubbles with other paints, but that's usually a sign to tell myself to slow the hell down while I'm slopping paint onto a model for a fast basecoat but didn't want to airbrush(like blocking in colors or whatever).
One thing I wish AK would do, is sort their fucking paint properly on their website and on their color charts.
What the fuck is that? Whites, warm whites, cool whites, warm grays, neutral black,s yellows, oranges, peaches, then ochres, to pink? Purple, oranges, to reds, then ochres again.. It was sorted by an idiot.
Another up shot of these newer paint lines, better bottles that you can see wtf the color is if you're looking through them in person.
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I usually stick with Vallejo and P3. Biggest issue with the latter is that Privateer Press has slow shipping, and it's probably gonna be worse for a bit until the logistics of being acquired by Steamforge Games is ironed out. They do have better prices and larger paint pots in comparison to other companies though.
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Mephiston Red was cloned by all the other makers. IIRC most of the mainline GW paints were.
Vallejo Model Heavy Red (141) (These are base paints)
Vallejo Game Red (926) (These are layer paints)
Two Thin Coats Sanguine Scarlet
etc etc
Yeah, all of the popular paints have been cloned with a different name. Dakkadakka has a decent chart here:
It doesn't have everything, but it's a start and you can cross reference it and other charts elsewhere to get more data together.
The only citadel paint that I actually like, and haven't seen properly cloned is blood for the blood god, and unless you're just pouring it over everything for some silly reason, 1 pot will last practically forever to do some dabs or spatter on the occasional melee weapon. Every other brands attempt at it that I've seen, just looks wrong either the wrong shade, the wrong consistency, etc. There are some DIY recipes, but the amounts of product you have to buy is going to cost far more than just the 1 pot from GW.
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The alpha legion is loyal to the emperor they own a super secret mission that cannot be explained.
it's funny how no one can actually use them properly because the vast majority of GW writers aren't clever they're meant to be elite psychological warfare slash spec OPS units we're basically a combination of seal team six and the CIA.
it's funny how no one can actually use them properly because the vast majority of GW writers aren't clever they're meant to be elite psychological warfare slash spec OPS units we're basically a combination of seal team six and the CIA.
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Apparently GW is republishing older collections with some of the new, lame, clean art.
The chad high detail edgy cover
The virgin, low energy art style
The chad high detail edgy cover
The virgin, low energy art style
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I’ve been looking into Necromunda more and more just because of the contempt GW has for 40k. Rules seem more legit and can do a more narrative focus game with friends to keep it interesting. Might be able to use Inquisitorial Agents, Arbites, Breachers, and Blooded for starters. (I know I've been on this for awhile with Necromunda). But an Inquisition investigation with House alliances and gang recruitment seems interesting as a Dark Heresy style tabletop game.
Black Library authors are just useless. An Alpha Legion civil war between secret loyalists and modern chaos wanting to discard the old ways to settle with the new Black Legion is such a narrative build up they just can't handle. There's so much to build up off of they just can't handle it. At least with Night Lords it's simple.
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The alpha legions primarchs both engaging in civil war with the members who think they're actually serving chaos would be cool
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That looks like the kind of result you get if you task an elderly Spanish woman with no art training to restore a fresco. The character on the second cover would pass as an ordinary space marine with very little modification, even the back ground is low energy and lame compared to the original.
I really miss the diversity of the old Imperial Guard compared to the modern offerings. It really helped to sell the concept that the Imperium is absolutely massive and sprawling, containing all manner of people and technological / societal levels but the Necromunda line is cool. I like that it delves in to a lot of the weirder and more niche 40k stuff, there are even Squat that are not gay lame boring beardless fakes. Kind of sad that modern 40k some how just feels smaller and more atrophied, where it should if any thing feel more opened up.
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I just got into warhammer via the Rogue Trader game and this shit is so fucking badass. I played vermintide a long time ago but just wrote it off as a left 4 dead knockoff but this shit is fucking twisted. I'm on the last act and this shit is so fucking twisted and badass its unreal. I thought everyone who liked this shit was a faggot but holy fuck is this shit epic.
WhimsicalTrolli
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I appreciate you guys for helping me out with paints, where is the safe place and how many strokes of primer you guys recommend? The gunpla thread recommended Mr Hobby/Mr Surfacer for the primer.
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Wait until you play Darktide