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Was it ever stated that they were controlled by the Enslavers? I thought it was the destruction and isolation of Hive Secundus that fucked up the Malstrain. Another mystery of Necromunda.
I assume so cause they have a lookalike Enslaver in the box.

Regardless, the tyranids learning “this how our galaxy can fuck your shit up” is funny. I just imagine that Tyranid bioform screeching in confusion as the Iron Warriors towed it into the Eye.
 
GW really should slowly start to pivot to a 3d printing based approach where most of the basic stuff is printed but they make money selling schematics, rules, decorations, prestige figures and objects and especially lore supplementals like movies video games etc.

I know it will be a huge shakeup and change is scary etc but the upside to massively increasing the accessibility of the game could be huge. Frankly I don't understand why so many people put up with spending hundreds or thousands of dollars for a limited selection in the current system.
they make too much bank to sacrifice their golden goose like that. It would be beyond optimistic of me to even dream that they would do something like that for retired models.
 
GW really should slowly start to pivot to a 3d printing based approach where most of the basic stuff is printed but they make money selling schematics, rules, decorations, prestige figures and objects and especially lore supplementals like movies video games etc.

I know it will be a huge shakeup and change is scary etc but the upside to massively increasing the accessibility of the game could be huge. Frankly I don't understand why so many people put up with spending hundreds or thousands of dollars for a limited selection in the current system.
Not a chance of that happening in at least the next decade. GW is a company currently trying to build more factories, because they can't keep up with customer demand while managing to be in the height of the supposed anti GW sentiment with the worst edition of 40k ever(as every previous edition has also been), and a supposedly failed launch of AoS 4.0(which managed to have a steady stream of people happily playing at my LGS last weekend). Supposedly GAW(the UK stock) is set to enter the FTSE 100(was previously toward the top of the FTSE 250). It's kinda like the UK equivalent of the NASDAQ 100. While Burberry, the overpriced jacket company is set to drop out.

Also, 3d printing is shit for mass production like GW does. You can see what happened when Privateer Press switched to that, it went so poorly for them they got bought out. Not to mention the uncured resin problems for customers, the shitty attempts at support removal that looked like someone went at the minis with a hatchet at times. The scale of a 3d print farm that would be required to keep up with just a handful of injection molding machines is absurd, plus the non-existent post processing for injection molding and minimal QC required.

edit: Hell, this is also why they're getting away from the finecast shit finally.
edit again: Even smaller companies with any sense are doing something like Siocast, which is a nylon resin injection(MSDS is hard to find, but when it is mentioned it's specifically brought up as polyamide, which is a fairly generic name for nylon), into a silicone rubber mold that can be produced in-house. If not buying the machines, they're leasing them. And again, it's that injection molding repeatability and turn around time(I think they claim 60 seconds a shot?) that is going to be far faster than any 3d printer available on the market. It can basically replace metal spin casting(which also used rubber molds) using a cheaper material in an easier to handle machine, which a quicker turn around time.
That is something a small business can scale into. 3d printing beyond internal prototyping and mold production(which GW does do, there's forgeworld stuff that comes with print lines visible at times, and they're even visible on some of the resin knight kits on their own website) is not something anyone has successfully scaled into mass production for basically anything yet other than something like Prusa and their print farms printing parts(low detail, and saved them on overhead up front costs). It absolutely wouldn't be something you'd double your existing factory space for, especially for a company like GW with high demand, low corporate debt, and a lot of money burning a hole in their wallet.
 
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they make too much bank to sacrifice their golden goose like that. It would be beyond optimistic of me to even dream that they would do something like that for retired models.
It’d be nice to be able to have access to the STL files for models like the genestealers cult’s limousine or anything else that has been mothballed away and the index entry lost to time.
 
It’s cheaper and doesn’t need as much water to thin down on top of being easier to use with airbrushes. I like army painter’s speed paints as well and they’re way better than citadel’s contrast paints.
I've only used airbrushed vallejo metallics on my knight asterius and it worked like a dream without a whole lot of thinning, can't say the same about citadel's thick slop.
 
I've only used airbrushed vallejo metallics on my knight asterius and it worked like a dream without a whole lot of thinning, can't say the same about citadel's thick slop.
Even the "airbrush ready" paints GW made needed a large amount thinner added to them when I first used them. The ones I have left over I just apply with a brush these days.
 
Also, 3d printing is shit for mass production like GW does. You can see what happened when Privateer Press switched to that, it went so poorly for them they got bought out. Not to mention the uncured resin problems for customers, the shitty attempts at support removal that looked like someone went at the minis with a hatchet at times. The scale of a 3d print farm that would be required to keep up with just a handful of injection molding machines is absurd, plus the non-existent post processing for injection molding and minimal QC required.
that's just PP being retarded, you don't use basic bitch consumer resin printers because upscaling sucks balls.

if you want to shit out minis en masse you get one of these babies:

you can even do color for very little extra cost, meaning your game is suddenly "table ready" ootb for people that don't the whole hobby aspect. lol, as if those people would want to actually play the game

It’d be nice to be able to have access to the STL files for models like the genestealers cult’s limousine or anything else that has been mothballed away and the index entry lost to time.
with scanners improving and more people getting into modeling for printing in general it's inevitably people gonna digitalize those at some point and distribute it.

it's really not much different from normal printing where people started scanning old books for preservation once the tech was good enough.
 
How difficult would it be to use Necromunda as an inquisition style narrative campaign? Was thinking of doing some of my Dark Heresy campaigns where local gangs, chaos cultists, and ultimately a HH era Night Lord running the show. Or should I just homebrew rules.
 
that's just PP being retarded, you don't use basic bitch consumer resin printers because upscaling sucks balls.

if you want to shit out minis en masse you get one of these babies:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4mwjmwhry1g
you can even do color for very little extra cost, meaning your game is suddenly "table ready" ootb for people that don't the whole hobby aspect. lol, as if those people would want to actually play the game
From their own specs, at a 22μm layer height, that's still a 2.5 hour print time for a 500x500x10mm volume.

Siocast, which is far slower than HIPS injection molding can do sprues of 240x180x28mm. Lets say those sprues based on what we can see in video are up to what, 20mm? Lets just double the X and Y area to match the 600x300 of the mimaki, and assume the sprues can only be 10mm thick would equal the rough area of the mimaki. The siocast is still doing 40 casts per hour, that's 100 casts in the time the mimaki would take to do one build area, but even if we double what the siocast needs to do for an equivalent space it's still doing it 50 times in the duration the mimaki is running. That does assuming perfect swap times, but even with some human intervention lagging things it's still going to be dozens of times faster. And the mimaki takes up 3x the space? Even if we assume we can hit the mimaki's max build volume, the siocast is still going to be faster and the mimaki still requires post processing. $200,000 pricetag for the mimaki, $80,000(supposedly) for the sioform1. And you still need to also buy the mimaki 3DCS-322 post processing machine, and dump the prints into that and wait for it to clean up the support material.

Yes, privateer press was dumb and actually went with consumer grade resin printers, but they still would have had the same production time issues, post processing time requirements, and probably couldn't have afforded more than 1 mimaki setup. Still, that's not something for mass production. That's something for a company making a handful of miniatures, props, prototyping, or whatever like Weta Workshop, Gentle Giant, etc. (they're using a mimaki printer and showing off results, which are great... but not for mass production like GW or any miniature gaming company would actually need).

Even X-wing, they had chinese labor slapping a couple of colors on PVC minis, and recently cited cost as a reason to finally cancel it(likely partially true, reality is they still nuked their own product with how they handled x-wing 2.0). The speed and human interaction required for these mimaki machines would damn near be the equivalent of going backwards to poured resin molds. But I'm not even sure it would beat what any of the recasters I use actually do for their own production.
 
How difficult would it be to use Necromunda as an inquisition style narrative campaign? Was thinking of doing some of my Dark Heresy campaigns where local gangs, chaos cultists, and ultimately a HH era Night Lord running the show. Or should I just homebrew rules.
Not difficult at all, pretty much every weapon you can think of is in the base game, psychics, etc plus there already exists rules to run custom outlander gangs which can basicly be anything from a chaos cults to an inquisitional warband.
 
About the Space Marine 2 leak. I heard pre-release that it was going to have a bunch of wokeshit in it due to the lead writer being a troon, but I've not heard anything about that even though the story is out there.
Apparently they kicked the troon out ages ago and rewrote the story from scratch, or at least /v/ said so.
 
Sorry for double-posting but I noticed that some chinese guy is vandalizing 40k Fandom wiki, and this isn't the first day I saw this happening. Clicking on "Barbi" transfers to a page for Eclipse Engineer on Mass Effect wiki.
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Autism or mental retardation? Call it.
 
Not difficult at all, pretty much every weapon you can think of is in the base game, psychics, etc plus there already exists rules to run custom outlander gangs which can basicly be anything from a chaos cults to an inquisitional warband.
Thanks. I got enough kill team stuff between teams and terrain I can do a decent underhive and have plenty of units. Just looking to expand off of it for more interesting stuff.
 
I was watching some 40k videos on Youtube so I got some channels put in my recommended list. One of them was Weshammer, which I never watch, so I clicked on it. First image on screen:
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Made me lmao hard because the first thing it reminded me of was Joeyy:
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Nigga got that lightskin stare going fr.

Also Space Marine 2 looks really good from what the leaks give. Hopefully it doesn't shit the bed with anything.
 
I was watching some 40k videos on Youtube so I got some channels put in my recommended list. One of them was Weshammer, which I never watch, so I clicked on it. First image on screen:
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Made me lmao hard because the first thing it reminded me of was Joeyy:
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Nigga got that lightskin stare going fr.

Also Space Marine 2 looks really good from what the leaks give. Hopefully it doesn't shit the bed with anything.
Weird, that weshammer guy normally has an unkempt 30 year old trying to look like a 15 year old look(he started doing 60 second lore videos on tiktok or some shit like that)
 
Why are you using the Fandom wiki? Lexicarium is a better 40k wiki. Hell, 1d4chan/1d6chan is a better wiki when you ignore the memes & shitposts
Fandom wiki, for how messy and bloated it is, often has info that pages on Lexicanum do not. I use the latter mostly when I want quick overview of something and don't feel like reading a book.
Weird, that weshammer guy normally has an unkempt 30 year old trying to look like a 15 year old look(he started doing 60 second lore videos on tiktok or some shit like that)
Yeah, he's most known from making tiktoks where he explains Warhammer lore to normies. I saw a few of them on youtube and they're not bad honestly, If you are a normie who want to get into the lore I think they are a good introduction.
 
Siocast, which is far slower than HIPS injection molding can do sprues of 240x180x28mm. Lets say those sprues based on what we can see in video are up to what, 20mm? Lets just double the X and Y area to match the 600x300 of the mimaki, and assume the sprues can only be 10mm thick would equal the rough area of the mimaki. The siocast is still doing 40 casts per hour, that's 100 casts in the time the mimaki would take to do one build area, but even if we double what the siocast needs to do for an equivalent space it's still doing it 50 times in the duration the mimaki is running. That does assuming perfect swap times, but even with some human intervention lagging things it's still going to be dozens of times faster. And the mimaki takes up 3x the space? Even if we assume we can hit the mimaki's max build volume, the siocast is still going to be faster and the mimaki still requires post processing. $200,000 pricetag for the mimaki, $80,000(supposedly) for the sioform1. And you still need to also buy the mimaki 3DCS-322 post processing machine, and dump the prints into that and wait for it to clean up the support material.
I mentioned it mainly as replacement for consumer resin printer, not necessarily as a better alternative to siocast.

however, reading that paragraph I spotted some... creative liberties. ;)
this is mainly a thought exercise even if it sounds like a mimaki shillpost (I wish).

1. you can't just double the mold for the sake of math just like you can't just double a printplate. if you want more than 240x180 you'd need a second machine or double the time.
2. cast isn't print, the models are spaced out and horizontal so the space isn't directly comparable. in their sale video siocast had 32 models in a mold, but they didn't look heroic size so might be even less. with an area of 500x500mm and a generous 50mm² per model, one mimaki printrun nets you more in comparison.
3. casting still has a preproduction time, siocast says it can take up to 3 hours to create the mold, which comes after the time it takes to create the masters. after creating the mold up to another hour to vulcanize it. while waiting for all that the mimaki is already printing.
if I read it right at least the mold seems to hold 300-500 cycles, so that process would only to be done once for a while. siocast is gonna catch up eventually, but is an initially longer and generally more involved process. new/more molds could be done while the injection is running for the first one, but would still have to be done for a different model range. inkjet you can print whatever all the time.
4. the post processing machine is optional (I assume it's just a beefed up ultrasonic cleaner to industry standards), the mold press to create the mold is mandatory and would add to the siocast price (and space), plus a normal 3d printer to create the master and runners.
5. casting still puts a physical limit on the model for the process which additive manufacturing doesn't have. this mainly depends on your models tho.
6. not really relevant but inkjet printing in color is one process, painting the cast would add to the overall time.

price-wise for easier comparison the 2207, it has a builtplate of 203 x 203 x 76 mm, "roughly" the same size (it's funny they don't mention times for that model, I assume it's the same), but that one only costs around 40k. siocast according to the prices I've seen is 50k € for the sioform1 and another 10k for the press (doubt you really need an additional SLA/SLS printer since it was a formlabs article, a regular consumer 8k resin printer would be peanuts in comparison).

that's without prices for material, who knows what siocast or mimaki take for their stuff.

with that in mind it depends on the volume and your models over all, speed is secondary if you have the time and the printer sits idle half of it. not that you'd plan to if you're willing to spend that amount of cash....
or if you're lazy like me inkjet is simpler since it's just press print and scrape it off the plate after after a few hours. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
1. you can't just double the mold for the sake of math just like you can't just double a printplate. if you want more than 240x180 you'd need a second machine or double the time.
2. cast isn't print, the models are spaced out and horizontal so the space isn't directly comparable. in their sale video siocast had 32 models in a mold, but they didn't look heroic size so might be even less. with an area of 500x500mm and a generous 50mm² per model, one mimaki printrun nets you more in comparison.
3. casting still has a preproduction time, siocast says it can take up to 3 hours to create the mold, which comes after the time it takes to create the masters. after creating the mold up to another hour to vulcanize it. while waiting for all that the mimaki is already printing.
if I read it right at least the mold seems to hold 300-500 cycles, so that process would only to be done once for a while. siocast is gonna catch up eventually, but is an initially longer and generally more involved process. new/more molds could be done while the injection is running for the first one, but would still have to be done for a different model range. inkjet you can print whatever all the time.
4. the post processing machine is optional (I assume it's just a beefed up ultrasonic cleaner to industry standards), the mold press to create the mold is mandatory and would add to the siocast price (and space), plus a normal 3d printer to create the master and runners.
5. casting still puts a physical limit on the model for the process which additive manufacturing doesn't have. this mainly depends on your models tho.
6. not really relevant but inkjet printing in color is one process, painting the cast would add to the overall time.

price-wise for easier comparison the 2207, it has a builtplate of 203 x 203 x 76 mm, "roughly" the same size (it's funny they don't mention times for that model, I assume it's the same), but that one only costs around 40k. siocast according to the prices I've seen is 50k € for the sioform1 and another 10k for the press (doubt you really need an additional SLA/SLS printer since it was a formlabs article, a regular consumer 8k resin printer would be peanuts in comparison).

that's without prices for material, who knows what siocast or mimaki take for their stuff.

with that in mind it depends on the volume and your models over all, speed is secondary if you have the time and the printer sits idle half of it. not that you'd plan to if you're willing to spend that amount of cash....
or if you're lazy like me inkjet is simpler since it's just press print and scrape it off the plate after after a few hours. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1. Sure, and you'd actually need to square it, but that's not the point. Also, you wouldn't need to double the machine to double the area, when the siocast machine handles it in 60 seconds vs hours if you're talking purely about output. But I do mention simply getting 2-3 machines due to the machine cost and space they occupy.
2. You're right, however more models in one print is going to be more post production time. Also, even if they were heroic size 28-32mm models, 32 models in one print if it takes 2.5 hours to do, vs how many that could get done via siocast? Even if you only got 8 on a sprue, that's still only 4 minutes of machine time to produce 32 minis at that point. 1 operator could easily handle 2 machines, and 4 molds to swap back and forth. Even if we count the 4 molds as having taken 3 hours each, that's still 12 hours to have made the molds plus an additional couple of minutes, the moment your production gets beyond that initial half dozen uses per mold, or a few minutes, you'd already be ahead of the mimaki.
3. Yes, 3 hours to create the mold. But even if you only get 300 shots out of the mold(which btw, you'd want 2 to maximize time for one siocast machine anyway) you're still ahead. The mold is processed in a different machine, not the injection machine(which really means the cost difference is going to bring that closer to having 2 injection machines not 3 for the cost of the mimaki but... that's also not including the rest of the mimaki equipment such as the post processing machine that I mentioned either, so it's kind of moot).
4. Getting the mimaki specific post processing machine is likely optional, but that doesn't change that you need a post processing machine. Even with a generic machine you're adding a lot of time to deal with the parts, plus inspection, this is human time, which costs a lot of money if you're not operating out of China or some equivalent.
5. This entirely depends on the model.
6. Yes and no, the mimaki makes this one process, but you're still paying for it. Hell, it likely does cost as much as inkjet compared to most mass production painting techniques because you're still paying for materials.

And sure, comparing it to a different mimaki machine if you want to just look at build area alone could make sense in some regards. But what's the print time for the area? That is going to be a huge consideration. The fact is, 2 injection machines, with 4 molds is going to be much faster than a couple of mimaki machines, period.

You also need to consider other aspects. Packaging of flat sprues vs packaging of pre-assembled 3d models. How much does that cost, how much does it cost to ship? How much shelf space does the same amount of product occupy in a retail environment when it's packaged as an assembled model vs sprues in a flat box? At that point a comparison to flat pack furniture can be made, and Ikea has managed to make that into a massively profitable business model. Even warehouse space costs money.

Then getting into just the fully assembled and painted product vs hobbying... the fact is some people actually like the hobby aspect. Doing the work from the factory doesn't necessarily eliminate that. People obvious stripped and re-painted their own stuff for x-wing. But then you're also simultaneously limiting revenue from the auxiliary products as well. GW, Privateer Press even. Paints, brushes, bases, cement, knives, clippers, etc. are an additional revenue stream.

The simply reality is, if those mimaki machines actually worked out for production at scale for a miniature company, we'd already be seeing it. People get paid quite a bit more money to do actual analysis vs some incredibly quick and admittedly halfassed napkin math that we're doing here. Hell, those people are going to take into account labor cost, cost of PPE or other safety equipment required for handling and production, the energy cost to run the machines, possible leasing out of time on machines(companies do this all the time in a lot of industries) to more quickly amortize the cost or bring on additional revenue, and so on. I think the fact that we're not seeing them used when they've been available for a few years now speaks for itself.

Even for lower production run products, there aren't many companies doing this. I mentioned Weta Workshop, Sideshow, and Gentle Giant and others. But these are companies doing 1:6 scale statues, 1:2 scale busts, etc. at low production volumes. Only doing hundreds, maybe a couple thousand pieces each, and they're still charging hundreds of dollars for them. I'm assuming the production run quantity and pricing has been checked out by someone analyzing all of the costs to make sure those companies can turn a profit.

And sure, for you or I, scraping something off of a build plate is going to be quicker than any of the additional fucking about required for siocast, pouring resin casts, and so on. But the problem still arises when having to do it as a business at the scale GW does. They could probably get away with it for forgeworld stuff. Just do monocolor on a mimaki for things like the horus heresy primarch models(hell, even just porting over models of the existing sprues really) due to the low sales volume and high consumer cost of those minis. But for most of the product range? If it made sense, they'd probably already be doing it(especially since all of their modeling is done digitally now, and avoiding the tooling costs, mold switch out times, mold storage, etc for their current processes could be eliminated).

edit: And no, I've got nothing against 3d printing. Hell, just recently bought a new FDM printer.
 
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