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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Eldar joining up was never an option, it's like living in a society where you have 100 chimpanzees for every human.
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I have no idea what it's like to be a eldar teen or kid but I'm wondering if orphans who don't know any better could take it. Also ironically that is something of a thing with the Jokaero
 
AncientPhosphur said:
So Emperor’s Children is confirmed to return. Not sure if it’s going to be another index page or if there’s going to be actual models.
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I'm assuming it's a full range refresh and standalone codex, same as the other god-aligned traitor legions have gotten. The Thousand Sons got their glow-up at the end of 7th, the Death Guard at the beginning of 8th, World Eaters at the end of 9th/beginning of 10th, so the EC are due for it, considering all they currently have is that ancient resin Noise Marine upgrade set and the equally old Lucius model. At most I'd expect something like what the World Eaters got: plastic Noise Marines, plastic Fulgrim, one or two other plastic units like cultists (analogous to the Jakhals or Tzaangors) and another EC-exclusive Marine unit (Terminators?) and possibly an updated Lucius. I definitely don't expect them to be churning out tons of new models like they did for Death Guard all through 8th.
 
An updated Lucius model is guaranteed, but I'm expecting some kinda bullshit with Fulgrim if they do release a mini for him in 40k. GW has already established that they want almost no cross over with models between games. They will probably make the 40k Fulgrim model as different as possible from the heresy one they recently released so the heresy players won't have a cheaper alternative to work with.

Personally I would like to see a model for Eidolon. A unit of new men for Bile wouldn't hurt either considering that GW is gonna pull some bullshit out of their asses to justify the EC having as little shared units with standard CSM.
 
4EB said:
An updated Lucius model is guaranteed, but I'm expecting some kinda bullshit with Fulgrim if they do release a mini for him in 40k. GW has already established that they want almost no cross over with models between games. They will probably make the 40k Fulgrim model as different as possible from the heresy one they recently released so the heresy players won't have a cheaper alternative to work with.

Personally I would like to see a model for Eidolon. A unit of new men for Bile wouldn't hurt either considering that GW is gonna pull some bullshit out of their asses to justify the EC having as little shared units with standard CSM.
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Fully Chaosified Eidolon would be awesome, but I'm not holding my breath on that one. New Men unit is a cool idea, though. Personally I'd like to see corrupted Phoenix Guard or Palatine Blades.
 
FedPostalService said:
Oh god, this will be nothing but twitter trannies playing this and ruining the faction won’t it?
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Usually they just stick with Eldar factions. It’ll probably just be a primarch and a couple of EC specific units at best. Noise marines, Lucius in plastic, cultists, maybe a terminator squad. Just like what they did with World Eaters.
 
God, that Knights box looks good. What do you think, $200, or $250? It's $368 worth of knights right now so I'm guessing $250, which would shake out to just about "you paid for the big knight and one pair of small knights and get the other pair of small knights for free."
 
Michael Wade said:
I have no idea what it's like to be a eldar teen or kid but I'm wondering if orphans who don't know any better could take it. Also ironically that is something of a thing with the Jokaero
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It's pretty much the Marvel Mutant issue that the Eldar kid basically knows what everyone is thinking, while humans get a massive uncanny valley feel from him.
 
I will probably pick up the Knights kit and DA box depending on the UK price just because they Terminators and inner companions are pretty solid.
 
FedPostalService said:
Oh god, this will be nothing but twitter trannies playing this and ruining the faction won’t it?
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Slaanesh being the trannies-are-evil faction was an internet joke for a long time. When I heard the news they might get new models, I was kind of tempted to paint one of them in trans flag colours to see how it looks (maybe give one a plasma gun for reasons you can guess). If anything, I'd imagine them complaining how it's problematic. I'd also like to make a noise marine karan, but given how political female space marines are, it might send the wrong message.


Are people in this thread interested in guard lore? And is custom lore frowned on? I ask because I'm thinking of going guard. I listened to hours of guard lore videos and none of them really speak to me, and GW killed off home worlds for some lore events. Many have a generic "best of the best" story, Praetorians have lore that doesn't match the theme (I don't see how debt slavery = British colonials), and the internet seems to just suck off Kreig. Custom factions used to be common in 40k back in the day but I don't know if that's still a thing.

Two related questions, why are space dwarves disliked, and what are the most fun army to play against? For years people begged GW for squats and now they're back everybody seems to hate them.
 
Bored. Wanted to run some Ops in SM2. Waited 17 years to get through these dog ass load times only to see a curious sight: My marine was not only NOT the class I logged out as, this class was wearing armor and colors I swapped out like 3 days ago. Maybe I'm just retarded and forgot.

So I go have a look in the armory and what do you know? Days worth of progress is just gone. Vanished. Deleted. Stricken from the fucking archives.

Fuck this game dude. I'd refund it if I could, but all I can do is just delete this shit and maybe check to see if it's not a literal waste of time and money next year.
 
Judge Dredd said:
Two related questions, why are space dwarves disliked, and what are the most fun army to play against? For years people begged GW for squats and now they're back everybody seems to hate them.
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Because most of the models are fucking boring and uninspired, compared to the necromunda squat models(including a vehicle) which is what people actually wanted.

edit: Hell, there's the links to the necromunda stuff so you can compare it to the votann models.

They basically all look like proper dwarves, with beards, cigars, etc.

Judge Dredd said:
Are people in this thread interested in guard lore? And is custom lore frowned on? I ask because I'm thinking of going guard. I listened to hours of guard lore videos and none of them really speak to me, and GW killed off home worlds for some lore events. Many have a generic "best of the best" story, Praetorians have lore that doesn't match the theme (I don't see how debt slavery = British colonials), and the internet seems to just suck off Kreig. Custom factions used to be common in 40k back in the day but I don't know if that's still a thing.
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I don't care what you do with your lore or whatever, but I'm not going to read it. I've had exactly 1 person try to tell me about their lore before a game, I just let them go on for 10 minutes while I fucked around on my phone not listening so we could move on to deployment and actually play. If you want some lore to justify your color scheme, basing, conversions, you do you. Just don't expect anyone else to be interested. It's harsh, but I'm just stating reality. There's a couple youtube channels that have lore for their space marines and guard and whatever and they've got fans but if they weren't producing videos for youtube.. no one would care.
 
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Judge Dredd said:
Praetorians have lore that doesn't match the theme (I don't see how debt slavery = British colonials)
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Looking them up I don't see anything about debt slavery, only that its lower classes are treated as little better than slaves. The Jopall Indentured Squadrons are all debt slaves though, every one of them indebted to the planetary government at birth and every lasgun bolt they fire after enlistment a debit on their accounts only paid off with bounties for kills.

And Guard lore is always welcome, IMO. Certainly more fun than Spess Mehrine lore. Especially anything that isn't the typical "hurr durr discipline" fare. I loved the regiments Abnett came up with before he developed his crippling addiction to lead paint chips. Yeah, they were all WW2 based, but even so they had more character than most things in 40k. The Phantine were US Airborne troops complete with mohawks and face paint, and the Urdeshi were far from your "typical" Guard force what with an extreme fondness for autoguns over lasweapons, including a so-called "storm drum" that's a cross between a Thompson and a PPSh.
Judge Dredd said:
why are space dwarves disliked
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They're ugly little bastards. And I don't mean ugly in the sense of the bad guys where being hideous is part and parcel, but that they simply are completely unappealing on the most basic aesthetic level. Their armor is at best a poor knock-off of the Terran CMC suits from Starcraft and at worst they look like that ugly-ass black Gatling gun chick from Concord with the padded retard suit.

On top of that they also aren't even all that dwarfy anymore. Most of them have facial hair fit for a mere beardling with a notable lack of any proper gnollengrom amongst them.
 
Snekposter said:
On top of that they also aren't even all that dwarfy anymore. Most of them have facial hair fit for a mere beardling with a notable lack of any proper gnollengrom amongst them.
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Absolutely this. Half of 'em are clean shaven baby faces. The rest look crappy except for maybe the psyker model. When people heard they were bringing squats back, this is the kind of vibe people wanted, which should have been doable since necromunda is in 40k.
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Rick The Stick said:
Bored. Wanted to run some Ops in SM2. Waited 17 years to get through these dog ass load times only to see a curious sight: My marine was not only NOT the class I logged out as, this class was wearing armor and colors I swapped out like 3 days ago. Maybe I'm just retarded and forgot.

So I go have a look in the armory and what do you know? Days worth of progress is just gone. Vanished. Deleted. Stricken from the fucking archives.

Fuck this game dude. I'd refund it if I could, but all I can do is just delete this shit and maybe check to see if it's not a literal waste of time and money next year.
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I'd contact customer service, you're not the only person having this issue. You're lucky you didn't pay for anything since it seems that people have had this happen on DLC cosmetics. It also seems to happen when you...quit your game...lawsuit incoming?
Snekposter said:
On top of that they also aren't even all that dwarfy anymore. Most of them have facial hair fit for a mere beardling with a notable lack of any proper gnollengrom amongst them.
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>Make space dwarves
>Skimp out on the dorfy parts.
Sounds about right for GW.
 
p1138 said:
If you want some lore to justify your color scheme, basing, conversions, you do you.
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Perfect. That's what I wanted. Since I left the hobby, there seems to be a much more, I don't know the word, "official-ness" to everything now. Back in the day there were lots of units without official models you were expected to kit bash, but since there was no third parties then you were sol and just had to proxy (conscripts were guard with a white stripe on their helmets), now there's lots of bits and third party models available, the policy seems to be that if it's not an official GW model it doesn't count.

I forget where I heard this, but supposedly old GW models for things don't count either. My Space Marines and Tau from 2008 are "legends" and are not table legal. They're still marines, they're still wysiwyg, but are only playable in home games because they're old sculpts.

Snekposter said:
Looking them up I don't see anything about debt slavery, only that its lower classes are treated as little better than slaves. The Jopall Indentured Squadrons are all debt slaves though, every one of them indebted to the planetary government at birth and every lasgun bolt they fire after enlistment a debit on their accounts only paid off with bounties for kills.
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That might be me mixing the two up, or the lore videos did. I don't want to go and re-listen to hours of videos to check, but I got the impression that they were the same thing. As if being a debt slave gave you a fondness for tea and facial hair.

Any others you particularly like?
 
Judge Dredd said:
I forget where I heard this, but supposedly old GW models for things don't count either. My Space Marines and Tau from 2008 are "legends" and are not table legal. They're still marines, they're still wysiwyg, but are only playable in home games because they're old sculpts.
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Yes and no.

GW actually switched from named space marine chapter army abilities, to detachments that hint at a chapter but aren't named after it(I'm talking about the codex compliant stuff) and at the same(with no change so far at any events) saying you can paint your space marines whatever color you want(there is still technically a rule about iconography at events hosted at warhammer world, but the big events aren't hosted there either so no one cares).

Starting on page 2 of this PDF(it's the legendary units doc from warcom) they actually have a suggested proxy list for all of the crap they've dumped to legends. https://warcomprod2024productionsto...gends_legendaryunits_eng_24.09-0uefelwovp.pdf

And really, no one cares so long as your models are on the right bases and have the right weapons. Is it a named character from 20 years ago with bespoke rules? No. But if you put it on the right size base(or just use adapter rings) make it a captain or a lieutenant or whatever so long as it's got the right weapons in its hands. You mentioned Tau, if you've got a hammerhead built with Longstrike in the hatch... ok now it's just a hammerhead, still playable. Aun'va? Leave the 2 bodyguards, and use the main guy as an ethereal or whatever. If you're actually going to a local tournament or a big event, just shoot the TO an email and ask. Unless the TO happens to hate you for whatever reason, most won't give a shit so long as the size is roughly the same and the base is the right size.

And for old space marine models that are really short? Instead of re-basing them or using adapter rings, just put the whole 25mm based mini on a 32mm using the extra height from the two stacked bases, then just add more basing around the edge so they're all on hills if you're really concerned with it.

And no one at a casual game other than the most autistic of retards is going to care.
 
Judge Dredd said:
That might be me mixing the two up, or the lore videos did. I don't want to go and re-listen to hours of videos to check, but I got the impression that they were the same thing. As if being a debt slave gave you a fondness for tea and facial hair.

Any others you particularly like?
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Yeah, there's probably a mix-up somewhere. The Praetorians are basically Victorian Bongland, complete with shameless exploitative classism where the poorfags exist solely to die in the name of enriching their betters, either in the factories or on the battlefield. The Jopalli on the other hand are basically ancapism taken to the logical extreme where everyone owes the state a literal financial debt for the resources consumed providing for them in their childhood, and it must be paid off one way or the other.

As to other ones, I like the Ketzok regiments. They're another one of Abnett's, only show up a few times, but they both love artillery and love fancy paint jobs for their vehicles. They have a special fondness for feathered dragons and paint those all over and around their gun tubes.

Honestly, you can probably throw a dart at any of the regiments he created and find something interesting. Its why his fall from grace in recent years has been so utterly heart-wrenching. The Volpone Bluebloods are simultaneously a bunch of arrogant, condescending suck-ups and excellent mechanized shock troopers, and the Jantine Patricians are a weird mix of Prussian nobility and the Jem'Hadar, with a fondness for dueling scars and a complete disregard for their own lives so long as victory is achieved.
The Jantine had more options, but the one they decided to use amazed Blane. After a full thirty minutes of fire exchange, the Patricians charged. En masse. Close on a thousand heavy troopers, bayonets fixed to muzzle-clips, rose as one from the bracken-choked foxholes and stormed up the slope towards his platoon.

It was an astonishing decision. Blane gasped and his first thought was that madness had gripped the Jantine command. And a sort of madness had, but one that would surely win the day. The fifty guns of the Ghosts had more targets then they could pick. Dozens, hundreds of Jantine never made it up the slope, their twitching thrashing or limp bodies collapsing brokenly into the ochre undergrowth. But there was no way Blane’s men could cut them all down before they reached the hill line.

“Blood of the Emperor!” spat Blane as he understood the tactic: superior numbers, total loyalty and an unquenchable thirst for victory. The Jantine Commander had deployed his troops as expendable, using their sheer weight to soak up the Ghosts’ fire and overwhelm them.

Three hundred Jantine Patricians were dead before the charge made it into Tanith lines. Dead to the Tanith guns, the slope of the hill, the angles of death. But that still left close on seven hundred of them to meet head on in screaming waves at the ditch line of the slit-trenches.

Singing the ancient war-hymn of Jant Normanidus, the Alto Credo, Major Brochuss led the assault over the Tanith Ghosts’ paltry defence line. A las-round punched through his cloth-armoured sleeve and scorched the flesh of one arm. He swung around, double-blasting the Ghost before him as teams of his soldiery came in behind him.

The Ghosts were nothing… and to tear into them like this was a joy that exorcised Brochuss’ own ghosts, ghosts which had been with him one way or another since the humiliation on Khedd, and which had been further reinforced on Fortis Binary and Pyrites. Anger, battle-joy, lust, rage — they thrilled through the powerful body of the Jantine Patrician.

The tempered steel of his bayonet slashed left and right, impaling and killing. Twice he had to fire his rifle point-blank to loosen a corpse stuck on his blade.

The nobility of his upbringing made him recognise the courage and fighting skill of the spidery black-dad men they crushed in this trench. They fought to the last, and with great skill. But they were light troops, dressed in thin fabrics, utterly unmatching the physical strength and resilience of his hard-armoured Jantine. His men had the discipline of the military academies of Jant in their blood, the fierce will to win. That was what made them Patricians, what made them as feared by others of the Imperial Guard as the Guards feared the Adeptus Astartes.

If Brochuss thought of the cost which had earned them the route to the top of the hill, it was only in terms of the victory hymns they would sing at the mass funerals. If it cost one or a thousand, victory was still victory — and a punishment victory over traitor scum like this was the most cherished of all. The Ghosts were vermin to be exterminated. Colonel Flense had been right to give the order to charge, even though he had seemed strangely pale and horrified when he had given it.

Victory was theirs.
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Oh, and the Vitrians are Indians (dot not feather), except they're all well-read badasses with a fondness for glass and obsidian instead of street shitting, every Guardsman of theirs issued a gene-locked version of their homeworld's version of the Art of War that opens only to his touch and nobody else's.
Gaunt’s message had been as per their agreement, though it was still the worst, most devastating message he had received in sixteen years as a fighting man. Their mutual enemies had shown their hands and now the success of the venture depended upon his loyalty. To Colonel-Commissar Gaunt. To the man called Fereyd, among other things. To the Emperor.

It went against all his schooling as an Imperial Guardsman, all his nature. It went against the intricate teachings of the Byhata. But still, the Byhata said there was honour in friendship, and friendship in valour. Loyalty and honour, the twinned fundamental aspects of the Vitrian Art of War.

Let Dravere have him shot, him and all four hundred of his men. This was not insubordination, nor was it insurrection. Gaunt had showed the colonel what was at stake. He had showed him the greater levels of loyalty and honour at stake on Menazoid Epsilon. He had been truer to the Emperor and truer to the teachings of the Byhata than Dravere could ever have been.

In a triple arrowhead formation, almost invisible in their glass armour, the Vitrian Dragoons punched into the hindquarters of Brochuss’ extended advance line; a tight, dense triple wedge where the Patricians were loose and extended. The Jantine had formed a lateral file to embrace the enemy, utterly useless for countering a rearguard sweep. So it said in the Byhata: book six, segment thirty one, page four hundred and six.
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