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In the current year, what did you expect? The time limit on waifu marines expired ten years ago. Monkey paw curled so hard it became a monkey powerfist.
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Regarding Beastmen @Judge Dredd there are different varieties mentioned in the lore. The ones around Ind in Fantasy are usually more feline in appearance, and there are mentions to one's with more avian or swine like appearances. For the sake of simplicity in models, they just stick with goats to minimize the range size
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Anyone else getting “one year anniversary” vouchers for their store? I got $20 today.
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In partially related news. Trench Crusade's Kickstarter has launched today, and already seems well onto a million in donations.
Now will this actually amount to a actual competitor to 40k, or just become little more than an excuse for troon ass pats, I have no clue
Now will this actually amount to a actual competitor to 40k, or just become little more than an excuse for troon ass pats, I have no clue
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I haven't been following it, but I thought the only 40k alternitive to gain traction was One Page Rules?
The setting will appeal to all those krieg fanboys who just want grimdark world war 1, but it lacks anything of interest beyond that.
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The Broo. Games Workshop made a number of models for the RuneQuest RPG and a lot of them were for the half-beast, half-man race known as the Broo. The designs look remarkably similar to how the Beastmen models would end up as.
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It's gonna have the exact same problem every other potential competitor has, namely getting enough people to actual play it to form a community.
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I never see anyone talk about that game anymore so I'm surprised it got that much already, especially since other people have already made minis for cheaper.
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They already humiliated themselves on their discord and so-on. Dont remember exactly what had happened but they will have pretty bog standard corporate policy in that regard and it will be effecting the writing.
There's a second problem as well. Most places, you need a place to play, host narrative campaigns, slow grow leagues, painting competitions, etc. and nine times out of ten those places are stores. Stores aren't going to be particularly interested in running events for something they don't sell.
Battletech, even though they do kickstarters still made sure they would have a retail presence. Warmachine MK 4 didn't have a kickstarter but was dead on arrival after Privateer Press shit on all of their distribution and wound up with no retail presence(now that steamforged games bought it, they're trying again I guess). OPR after all these years has still gone nowhere because places where you might play if you aren't playing at home, have no reason to promote it. If Trench Crusade can actually get product to retail, it won't be dead in a year.
Tranny jannies banning people because "vibes" including people they saw on 40k discord servers but hadn't said shit in the TC server... you know, their likely target audience? Yeah, they actually tried the shit they used to do on twitter, that block bot shit where they would go to a website and block everyone within 6 degrees of liking Trump's account. Not exactly a great way to handle early marketing for a game.
Lol people running defense for a billion dollar company that has inferior build quality to some random Chinese factory. Midwinter is a ponce but 4 weeks to ship an in stock plastic item in the UK is bonkers
Gw needs to sack up and embrace print on demand for models. High end additive manufacturing contractors are cheaper faster and much higher quality than the dogshit they spew out especially for forgeworld (rest in piss resin and fine cast)
Nearly bought a titan but i'd need to have Chinese quick turn manufacturers re do the entire thing since it's so poor quality and takes months to be in stock at Gw, do they do productions runs in someone's garage or something?
Gw needs to sack up and embrace print on demand for models. High end additive manufacturing contractors are cheaper faster and much higher quality than the dogshit they spew out especially for forgeworld (rest in piss resin and fine cast)
Nearly bought a titan but i'd need to have Chinese quick turn manufacturers re do the entire thing since it's so poor quality and takes months to be in stock at Gw, do they do productions runs in someone's garage or something?
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This is one of the reasons I like that they've started to put out starter boxes. So far it's just a con trinket, but on paper it sounds great. An Age of Fantasy box with 10 minis (enough for 5v5 skirmish) and the rules and counters. I forget if it was 20 usd or 20 euro. I don't get why the OPR fanbase doesn't like the idea. Staying pure 3D printed is going to hurt them unless FLGS start offering printing services.
I've been of the opinion that OPR should team up with someone like Fantasy Flight, Northstar, or Warlord to produce plastic kits and get distribution. I've heard the death of most mini companies is expanding too quickly and having the bubble burst. I don't know how true that is, but at the same time I don't think sitting online hoping for 3D printing to carry them will keep working out. They won't go bust I suppose due to low overhead, but they're completely dependant on 3D printing and i-pads to do the heavy lifting.
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Has Forge World ever been good? Since they appeared they've been known for insane prices and low quality.
Nah Gw has always had dogshit value for money. It's just that they had the excuse of low volume and it being annoying to have stuff made overseas but now we have siocast and 3d printing services that take the mess out of diy.
I just rent a commercial grade 3d scanner and go to town when I buy an expensive model these days. I don't mind Gw prices overall -- my stock portfolio loves them tbh -- but as an actual model owner it's insulting to be paying some jackass in Nottingham premium quid for shit tier qc.
A good pe fund could make $$$$ modernizing their awful manufacturing.
I just rent a commercial grade 3d scanner and go to town when I buy an expensive model these days. I don't mind Gw prices overall -- my stock portfolio loves them tbh -- but as an actual model owner it's insulting to be paying some jackass in Nottingham premium quid for shit tier qc.
A good pe fund could make $$$$ modernizing their awful manufacturing.
No one is "running defense" for GW. I even mentioned forgeworld's notoriously shit quality control that midwinter minis is familiar with. It wasn't a plastic mini, it was a shitty poured resin forgeworld mini just like the warlord titan he has, and had problems with.
The man knew he was going to do an "orktober" thing, and should have ordered the shit well in advance not the day before. If you know GW is retarded, why would you schedule anything that relies on them not being dumb? Having your livelihood(in this case, his stupid channel) be reliant on a company being timely, when they're notorious for problems, is idiocy.
The original forge world when it was a US company was fine. When GW wound up with the name, their product was shit(you can read up about the history of it here http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Resin_Vehicles_&_Titans ) Damn near everything that comes out of their warehouse is fucked in one way or another, presumably the brits are so fucking trashed from the local pub at all times when they have to pack an order none of them can see straight to tell if a flat wing of a tau manta is bent like a fucking taco or whatever. But people always gave them the excuse of "oh, well those are "advanced" models and real model building requires fixing all of the fuckups on a $400-$2000 product" which is of course utter shit.
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I think if the last 20 years have taught us anything it's that gatekeeping not only works but is vital to the survival of any hobby. I can understand not wanting to bring your sleeper hit hobby to retail because it'll bring unwanted attention. You'll have tourists swarming you trying to convince you that they know better and are going to tell you how OPR should run. Troons will pounce on it like a predator smelling blood. They will force themselves into even the smallest position of authority before larger communities are able to establish naturally. The company will attempt to expand to meet the demand of boxed product from the new customer base. They take on loans or investors and now they are beholden to being purely profit driven. All the DIY stuff like paper minis and tokens will probably go, they'll stop wasting time creating new STL files until they can afford to also mass produce a physical release. The rules will become much more restrictive and defined to cater towards players who don't want to customize their experience. You'll need more models to play the same game. Battle Brothers becomes the most popular faction so they get a new model every other release since it makes them the most money.
If the new blood doesn't quit over the lack of physical product, they'll quit when it stops being the newest trend and get bored. The old guard will quit because you don't support DIY anymore and the game they used to play doesn't exist anymore. Either that or the troons will make sure they are exiled for being a threat to their control. Once people start leaving they'll be left with all these investments and debt in production and distribution but with no one left to sell to.
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When looking at the factions it don't feel like they belong in the same game. Take the court of the seven headed serpent, they're just alt sculpts for a chaos warband, while the new Antioch look like they belong in a game of konflikt 47. New games are always good but they should try get a distinct style and for WW1 it's already there.
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It also taught us something else. You need to have actual players.
There's a term I heard recently. "Ancap in their own head." It was used to disparage people who lack any kind of practical political strategy. and in some cases actively work against their own goals. Preferring instead to sit on YouTube complaining about how "the world would be perfect if only..." As far as war games go, you're not going to beat 40k or even provide a viable alternative to GW sitting on a discord theory crafting about how your game of choice would be so much better than 40k.
I missed responding to this in the previous post, but OPR did recently have a tournament at UK games expo I think it was a few months ago? So that's a good thing.
Relying on 3d printing for manufacturing is basically a failure waiting to happen. Privateer Press turned to that, it failed, steamforged games bought the rights or whatever is going on with that mess and is now producing plastic minis again. Trouble is, their idea of a starter set doesn't include dice, data sheets, or even a basic rules pamphlet because they want to rely on the stupid phone app. Not even GW does that for the stuff they label as "starters"(nor any other company with someone sensible running the show).
Sure, but we've also seen companies fail time and time again with tabletop miniature games, some with licensed IPs that have a limited shelf life, or even others that had an established product line already, shit the bed with their distribution, made the customers mad, and so on. I'll give a different example, Malifaux. They had a product that people played, did a halfassed release, left inventory in the retail channel that wasn't compatible with 3e without buying extra crap(card packs and shit that stores don't like to stock), kept producing a bunch of models exclusively sold on their own website(so driving customers away from retail), didn't get product to customers, tried to promote their war game at the same time, and eventually just drove everyone off. Now stores barely stock. There's still a small malifaux community now, but it wasn't what it was 6 or so years ago. Guildball, same thing screwed their distribution, started driving off new players(bulk of the remaining playerbase had become hyper sweaty and would just stomp noobs). Yes gatekeeping is needed, but if you gatekeep too hard you don't get new customers. No new customers? Your product has a limited lifespan.
And this process usually goes incredibly fast with kickstarter projects that can't make it to retail. There are tons of dead as shit miniature games on kickstarter that never stood a chance, even if they were able to deliver on their initial product release.
Absolutely this. If you don't have players, you don't have a game. If you don't have a place to play, you probably don't have a game. Even if you've got a small friend group and play at eachothers houses, how long before that gets boring and the group wants to move onto something else just for the sake of doing something different because you can't get a different opponent?
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Honestly, best they can do is pocket the money and scram. They killed any interest from the evil chud 40K players and the normal ones don't give a shit because they either don't even buy models, or are very committed to the GW plantation. 6K players worldwide is nothing that will make a game more than a blip and it's best case scenario is to end up as a game that is very actively pushed in clubs (impression I get is that this is the only reason something like Malifaux is still alive) since like others have mentioned, stores have 0 incentive to push the game, specially when all of the early adopters would not spend a dime on the store.
Also, though there are some very cool models in there, they are not in prices that I would consider "kickstarter bargain" and if you are at a point where you will be buying STLs, there is already some pretty amazing crap out there. So I see it unlikely they will have any success post campaign, like pretty much any wargame that gets kickstarted and isn't owned by CMON.
The problem that I see with OPR is that the players are more interested in bitching about GW than actually playing the damn thing. In my area there was a strong initial push which turned into 2 minor tournaments of Grimdark and the start of 1 league of Firefight, all in the span of 2 years. I never see any discussion about just "hey, anybody wants to have a game" and I on purpose kept myself out of the other topic groups since I can already imagine what most of the discussion is in there. I do think it is doing a good thing and I favor it heavily over 40K even if it's purely due to length and how well alternating activations works in a skirmish sci fi game.
On topic of 40K, keen to see what comes for the Eldar, I saw some rumors but they honestly seemed like a wishlist so not trusting it till I see it, but Fuegan certainly deserved an upgrade. I've always had a soft spot for the eldar and got some 3d printed models to represent stuff I thought looked better than GWs offering, but I don't discount getting something along the way to complement them.
On the topic of other wargames, Warcrow came out and outside of shilling nobody seems to have given a shit. The Infinity people seemed to just dump a couple of factions and are now slow dripping releases, so though I like some of the stuff from it, none of it is actually out yet nor does it have a date. That N5 has come out shortly after Warcrow released probably killed any amount of momentum it was getting.
Bolt action released a new edition, I've always been curious for an excuse to collect a WWII army, and I do think there are Bolt Action players around though I get the impression they are more game club gremlins than anything.
Kings of War had their annual rules tweak thing, still not going into 4th edition, though I can see that happening in a year. Keen on playing some games since I haven't actually played in a long time and I do really enjoy the system.
The couple armies, drip feed, do another army after 3 months, repeat makes sense. But yeah, if the stuff they showed off isn't that had you interested isn't going to be out for a year that would be a buzz kill. They also fucked themselves when they redesigned their website a couple of months ago, it became harder to actually look at pictures of the models and shit. Although what personally killed the game for me was the shitty proprietary dice. Asmodee does that crap constantly, I fucking hate it. I've got d6s, d10s, etc. If I want to paint an army a particular way, and then get some dice that go along with it, I should be able to. Maybe I prefer 12mm dice? Maybe I want casino dice? Maybe I just don't want to keep a separate pile of fucking dice I can't use for anything else? Eventually for choice you'll get some third parties doing legally distinct symbols like for xwing and even MCP but it's still ridiculous.
The private gaming club thing doesn't even exist everywhere, and I can't imagine setting one up now(compared to back in the 80s or 90s) with costs and liability for shit being as insane as it is now. You'd also have to try even harder to keep the trannies and shit out, while being discreet about it because the moment they get wind that you didn't let the "woman" who looks like a retired NFL linebacker join, you're going to have a legal nightmare.