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How hard is it to make doom but in WW1? Or another bad guys make deal with devil but deal goes bad because ya know, the devil! It ain't hard guys.
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Trans Crusade deserves its own thread though the majority of interesting controversy died down... for now.
A million dollar is barely enough for a product like this. However Kickstarter have long shifted to a way to hook on investors rather than actually making products.
Isn't the entire point of ww1 is the senseless waste of life? I could at least understand if this retarded process was something you could mechanize to have thousands of zealots rather than something that just from a practical standpoint would take a year to make one guy. Also ww1 is one of the settings where the conditions made guns less practical than wars afterwards.
That's because when you think about it, they're basically just space marines.
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It was the immediate thing that came to mind, but 40k at least has the justification that the Imperium can waste so much resources for a super soldier that can survive nearly every environment.
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Good list. Only ones I think you forgot were taking down the Press Ganger system and taking down their forums. And doing all of your development through public testing did a lot of fucking damage to expectations and how people played. I do think they have their value but should be used very sparingly.
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ive got a vendetta against GW for basically monopolizing science fiction, especially as the setting has grown in popularity. I recently finished Isaac Asimov's The Foundation books, and I explained the general plot to a friend of mine that also likes sci fi. He immediately compared it to 40k, even though 40k ripped off Asimov and about a hundred other sources. Now we've got derivations of 40k that are simply less well done, and it ends up feeling like they havent read anything beyond GW novels.
a similar thing is happening in YA fiction. Im sure we've all seen the books titled something like; A Noun of Adjective and Verb that are essentially the same novels. Another good example is YA dystopia. I guess my point is that Id like people to read more widely than is currently in vogue.
The press ganger thing was more of a knee jerk reaction to Washington state laws changing regarding volunteers, pay, liability, and the MTG judge bullshit going on at the time. They also decided to start releasing factions annually(infernals in 2019 30+ units, crucible guard 2018 30+ units, grymkin 2017 35+ units) so good fucking luck having any sense of game balance whatsoever while continuing to add minion/mercenary units the entire time plus additional faction specific units, and riot quest crap(not even GW releases models for 40k at a pace like this). Then there were the times people were caught submitting fake battle reports for testing in response to the playtest stuff(in one hilariously stupid attempt to skew the testing someone published a handful of battle reports all within a couple hours of the test document going live) but that just exposed that it was likely fake battle reports were being submitted that didn't stand out. The just about completely ended their partnerships with youtube channels so got little to no promotion on that front after 2017 or so. Set their discord to rainbow logo bullshit for a few years with their main general chat renamed to pride-chat or some shit. Released inconsistent sized templates to retail, so you could get noticeably larger official templates by comparing multiple packages(how do you even do that with injection molded plastic?). Releasing the entirety of their end times lore for mk3 via fucking twitter posts.
If it wasn't GW, it was going to end up being star wars but main releases for it(the movies) were so few and far between(till disney decided it needed to be like the MCU with a new movie or tv show every 3-6 months) it wasn't going to happen. I don't think that the creators of trench crusade are a bunch of illiterates who haven't experienced anything else, so much as I think trench crusade is crafted very specifically to be this grimdark ww1 fantasy thing that a part of GWs audience believed they were always doing.
But that's because it's what sells, so publishers are only willing to throw money at safe bets.
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I have a bit of a strange question for the thread. What are your favourite factions, lore, models, etc. and how does your opinion compare with the opinions online? What popular reddit opinions do you disagree with?
I ask because it seems like my opinions are shit. Catching up all the "new" stuff (I know a lot of this goes way back but didn't become prominent until after I left) and it feels like almost every take I have is at odds with the widely held opinion. This is especially true for basically anything Age of Sigmar related.
I ask because it seems like my opinions are shit. Catching up all the "new" stuff (I know a lot of this goes way back but didn't become prominent until after I left) and it feels like almost every take I have is at odds with the widely held opinion. This is especially true for basically anything Age of Sigmar related.
I think it's less a 40k thing and more of a normie thing. @p1138 mentioned Star Wars, and that's a great example. Every laser sword is a "light sabre". Every treasure hunting adventure is an Indiana Jones knock off. Even though Star Wars and Indiana Jones ripped things wholesale from other media. Even the mega popularity of Battle Royale as a genre didn't get people to check out the film of the same name. It's just something that came from PubG/Fortnite.
Thousand Sons(specifically the Ahriman books), White Scars(horus heresy era), and the Eisenhorn series and some of the other stuff related to inquisitors(not Draco)for factions and lore. I couldn't care less about the opinions of others online. Prime example, just a page or two ago I called out the 90s tactcal marines as looking like shit en masse, and same with the newer ones. I didn't throw a fit because some people gave me some crappy dislikes on the post. I especially don't care what reddit thinks. I think that also covers my taste in models as well.
Fuck 'em. All I care about is that my opponent isn't some retard who needs to take 5 minutes to roll 1 set of attacks, attempts to paint their shit, bathes, and can act like a normal human being at the table. Trying to play a game, not have a debate about some obscure bit of lore or listen to someone's idea of a ted talk regarding their lore for their paint scheme. You mentioned reddit, fuck reddit.
Fuck reddit ESPECIALLY with regard to anything AoS related and their r/sigmarxism bullshit. I don't like AoS so I don't have much of an opinion to compare to theirs. But most 40k subreddits have got to be the biggest gathering of people who claim to play and get in maybe 1 game a year at most but will happily try and tell other people how the game should work. Then you get the people who do play, but just copy lists from tournaments and bitch that they still lose because they don't understand why someone was able to win with it or how the components of an army even work together.
At the end of the day, does the popular opinion of reddit or anywhere else really matter?
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It doesn't. I just like unpopular opinion threads, and as said, since getting back into the hobby (albeit only a little bit) it's like I'm opposite side of almost every debate/opinion.
It doesn't change my take on anything. I still think Kreig is dumb, or at least way overrated. I don't care that a sculpt is "old" as long as the model is good. I still like Stormcast. Though I share the popular opinion that 3rd edition was best.
Edit: I just googled sigmarxism. I've got to say, wtf. Spamming US election bullshit. Thinking warhammer fans are all fascists. Treating Slannesh a possitive 'heckin valid trans faction. And of course shilling for Trench Crusade because *checks notes* Grummz didn't like it.
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Night Lords, Tau, Craftworld Eldar for factions. I've always had a soft spot for the Cain books but their plots play out the exact same way ad nauseam so its a little tiring to reread now. My fav models are actually the melee admech skitarii with those bizarre disc heads. Pretty cool and suitably inhuman for admech imo. I've always liked the Tau as a contrast in lore since they're always bewildered and mortified by the behavior of Humanity in 40k since they must look totally alien in the literal sense when you see what they see as mundane to what the Tau practice with their more rational framework.
I don't really care for redditards but I'm heavily against the coomerism and flanderisation that they spread to Eldar. Ynnead being a possible out to a renewal for the Eldar is at odds for what made them special in the first place. I would rather have made Ynnead not be in at all but if there has to be then simply make it the final resting place for the Eldar race instead of Slaanesh automatically. The Eldar now have the choice to either give up and lay down and rot with Yneead (a safe and easy path but with no real dignified end), accepting the death of their race or instead still strive to struggle in the real world despite all odds and brave the risk of facing Slaanesh when they're killed.
These guys for admech I mean:
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The Dark Angels are the coolest Imperium faction because they look cool
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@p1138 Yeah I know its a normie thing and Im probably too much of a contrarion to like *current thing*. Its still a shame that art has basically been entirely corporatized to be as safe and profitable as possible.
>unpopular opinions.
I like Erebus
Wordbearers and adjacent. They usually have the most interesting Chaos focused stuff that isnt 100% their own bullshit, and they can crossover with basically any factions either in opposition to, or allied with. I just read Oaths of Damnation (the Exorcists novel) and it was P good if youre into that sort of thing.
>unpopular opinions.
I like Erebus
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Favorite faction is easily T'au. I just want to shoot my opponent off the board. But I love the clean aesthetic and I love my battlesuits. I like them as the good guy faction that desperately tries to do good but suffers greatly for it. I like the xenos factions more so Necrons and Eldar are some of my favorites too. Leagues of Votann is such a waste. They've been out for how long and we have no lore, and no models for them. They aren't very "dwarfy" either. They're kind of retro-futuristic but everything is too round. Not enough hard edges and runes for my taste.
Imperial wise favorite faction would be Salamanders and Ultramarines. Vulkan's a badass, and Guilliman has had some great character development since his return. They've done a good job humanizing him and showing that just because a primarch has returned doesn't mean the Imperium gets an easy victory.
Favorite model would probably be the Necron's Tesseract Vault. It's an absolutely insane model with so much going on, I love it. You put it on a table and everyone wants to know what the fuck it is.
Lorewise I think Horus Heresy has some of the greatest lore snippets. I really enjoy the one liners, or those quiet moments before a great event. Jaghatai Khan during the siege of terra declaring that he will ride out, or even Dorn's order right before the siege. "They are coming. Kill them all." Simple, direct, but powerful.
Imperial wise favorite faction would be Salamanders and Ultramarines. Vulkan's a badass, and Guilliman has had some great character development since his return. They've done a good job humanizing him and showing that just because a primarch has returned doesn't mean the Imperium gets an easy victory.
Favorite model would probably be the Necron's Tesseract Vault. It's an absolutely insane model with so much going on, I love it. You put it on a table and everyone wants to know what the fuck it is.
Lorewise I think Horus Heresy has some of the greatest lore snippets. I really enjoy the one liners, or those quiet moments before a great event. Jaghatai Khan during the siege of terra declaring that he will ride out, or even Dorn's order right before the siege. "They are coming. Kill them all." Simple, direct, but powerful.
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that had less to do with 3d printing and more with PP running it like everything else they do. people really underestimate the logistics, cost and time involved moving shit around, and then distribute it to hundreds if not thousands of customers.
offloading some of that onto the customers isn't dumb. the bigger issue is that 3d printing on a consumer level still has issues, and so far there isn't an established "industry" around to supplement it. only-games is the start of that, they just seem to run it like PP, even with MMF and it's money at the top. the OPR statement about the changes pretty much says at much (which again is logistics and handling of orders really, hence the simplification etc). as much as people shit on MBAs and beancounters (often rightfully so), most people are simply retarded when it comes to money or running a business successfully.
think about it this way, imagine you buy an STL, and then get that printed for a few bucks at some shop, or even over the internet from someone 100 miles away. because if you have a printer, might as well run that thing 24/7, and if there's big enough demand go industrial where all the consumer-level issues apply less. or since we had this discussion before, just go with siocast (which has it's own issues of course, since nothing is perfect). GW could literally do that for old models where a whole printrun isn't feasible, but that would fuck with FOMO.
except the reality is finding someone with a printer is a pain in the ass, even more so for tech-illiterates and boomers, and even if you do the prices aren't there (which if you know the actual cost is often stupid) so you might as well pay the same for proper GW plastic. which again loops back to the first point of running a business in form of a printing service.
there is demand, but the supply simply isn't filled, and it's only a matter of time till that happens in some way; which is also the thing I'm sure GW is pretty much aware of - 3d printing won't kill it, but everyone getting models for cheap and conveniently from someone else will make big dent in their profits, and at the same time fixes other issues like having to buy armies for hundreds of dollars to get people to play in the first place and then getting new models and support. it will never "kill it" the same way home printers haven't killed books, but it will have an inevitable effect, most likely industry-wide.
there is some merit in terms of resolution, but that's more on the crunch side only nerds care about. what customers care about is price and availability, and that's where most companies fuck up because they see proprietary dice or other shit not as something different like a designer does, but something exclusive to sell for vendor lock-in.
if they'd sell those dice cheap, or even better license it (you can actually, but the cost simply doesn't make it worth it), it would be much less of an issue to pick up a bunch for a few bucks, and would also fix the availability issues - if you're the only supplier you better be ready to supply, otherwise your whole "vendor lock-in" scheme is fucking retarded, see asmodee and genesys dice which haven't been around for months if not years.
however, what's the current price for official GW unit cards..?
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LOL, so you didn't know just how unpopular your opinions vs reddit actually were. Yeah, that's how that sub always is, all the time, for years now.
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I just noticed that Titus' Deathwatch kill-team in the SM2 prolog consists of a Templar, Space Wolf, and a pair of Angels(Blood and Dark respectively). That's fucking sick as. Just makes me wish we had a game set during his tenure as a Black Shield instead. But I think any chapter would have been more interesting than the Ultramarines, daring opinion I know.
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Space Marine 2 doesn't work if you have a USB mic plugged in. How is it that in 2024 several multi-million dollar companies can't come together to figure out how to make a game that doesn't brick your fucking computer because you have a fucking USB mic. Shoutout to the one person on the focus forums who figured this shit out and no one is upvoting.
Works just fine using a USB mic with 100 hours into it.
edit: I'm seeing discussions about people having fucked up USB cables causing issues, having a bunch of USB microphone devices in windows and not just disabling the ones they don't want to use but that was just for using it for the right input device. What are you talking about?