Warhammer 40k

[Sunflower Samurai]

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I love that people are finally finding out that 40K is written by retards after the pandemic and youtube faggotry glazed the post 8th edition and HH wankery too fucking much, Shame that femstodes being a retarded culture war talking point made them get away with it.

A bit off topic, but you guys thing GW is pushing Raptors as a chapter?

I had never heard of them until a YouTuber talked about them in the context of the Badab War, and was happy to see them as the focus of a fan film and make a cameo in the Astartes 2 trailer, but "Space Marines as spec ops soldiers" makes complete, non-retarded sense.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lh2A8WspRzA

Normies like tacticool garbage, 40k had a promo with CoD Warzone a year or two ago, stapling some pouches and maybe trying to shave off an aquila or two isnt a hard kitbash either, the retarded Nu-bolters with extra scopes and shit also makes it easy to do alongside the lighter primaris units like the infiltrators/snipers being more attractive than the Scouts to the average newbie who likes power armor more than some retards in generic sci fi armor and cloaks

 

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The Raptors are neat chapter. You get to paint them in different camo patterns according to deployment, this freedom to customize makes them instantly better than vanilla Ravenguard to me.

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

I've never heard of the Raptors until I happened to stumble on them as an option in ForceOrg playing TabletopSim. I thought, Oh cool they look kind of like if Cadians were Space Marines. Very shortly after the fan animation comes out, they show up in the Astartes trailer, they're showing up in YouTube recommendations, and now it seems to have made it's way here. I guess I'm just out of the loop but it really feels like this chapter sort of appeared out of nowhere and now it's everywhere.

 

[The tired cat]

Honestly? Has anyone actually encountered anyone who plays custodes and gives a shit about the femstodes garbage in the wild? I've been to a few tournaments since the shit dropped, haven't seen anyone putting female printed heads on their custodes, no one painting pride vexillas, or any of that crap. There was a bunch of people posting videos to youtube and pictures of reddit of their shitty hack jobs because they went out and bought a character or a basic pack of custodian guard but couldn't even play a game of combat patrol with what they've got painted and that's only 8 or 9 models? Hell, are there even any youtube channels that have a focus on custodes that give a shit? I know there's at least a couple channels focused on the faction because I've run across them in the past(after the stupid codex) but they weren't even acknowledging the femstodes shit in the couple videos I watched. It's just grifters, people vaguely adjacent to it on social media, or redditors trying to "own the chuds" or whatever the fuck who seem to care.

Oddly enough, the ones I saw bitch about femstodes crap (aside from grifting scumbags) is people who play Space Marines and take that shit way too seriously. Which, I honestly dont get, not the "taking it seriously" autism shit, but how they dont even play Custodes or collect 'em and yet act offended cause of it.

 

[Male Idiot]

Raptors has been a thing for a decade at least. Mentors go back to the 90s.

 

[Revelator]

Oddly enough, the ones I saw bitch about femstodes crap (aside from grifting scumbags) is people who play Space Marines and take that shit way too seriously. Which, I honestly dont get, not the "taking it seriously" autism shit, but how they dont even play Custodes or collect 'em and yet act offended cause of it.

They're probably worried it's a step towards female Marines.

To be fair, it could have been.

 

[The tired cat]

They're probably worried it's a step towards female Marines.

To be fair, it could have been.

Lets be honest, Space Marines being the bigger "face" of 40k, if they wanted Fem Marines or were even serious, they would have done it right away with both middle fingers raised like they did when showing the Primaris guys.

 

[Edward "Caesar" Sallow]

anyone have some good articles on acrylic paint comparisons? I've always used citadel, but I've found their yellows and whites to be continually subpar. I've heard Vallejo is good, but I've seen a lot of the LGS' I go to starts to sell more Army Painter. There's also a forth option:

Spoiler

 

[p1138]

anyone have some good articles on acrylic paint comparisons? I've always used citadel, but I've found their yellows and whites to be continually subpar. I've heard Vallejo is good, but I've seen a lot of the LGS' I go to starts to sell more Army Painter. There's also a forth option:

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The new army painter fanatic stuff is honestly a bit strange because it's been years of referring to them as being shit, and they're no longer shit.

As far as articles, I can't think of any but there is a youtube channel that does a decent job of going over paint ranges using reasonably consistent methods. Don't need to subscribe to the stupid patreon unless you really want the photos

https://www.youtube.com/@stahly_taleofpainters/videos

He's even got a video from last year comparing 20 something yellow paints(yellow tending to be shitty is an industry problem related to not having a decent mass produced pigment option for an opaque yellow that doesn't rely on cadmium but that's beside the point).

 

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anyone have some good articles on acrylic paint comparisons? I've always used citadel, but I've found their yellows and whites to be continually subpar. I've heard Vallejo is good, but I've seen a lot of the LGS' I go to starts to sell more Army Painter. There's also a forth option:

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The best textures and coverages are ProAcryl and AK, with Vallejo and TTC coming in close second. You cannot go wrong with any of those.
I have yet to personally try out the new Armypainter Fanatics (not to be confused with their speedpaints) so I cannot vouch for them yet.

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

I am a ProAcryl user but keep in mind my painting skills are super basic. Every single recommendation for white has been ProAcryl and having used it I have to say it's pretty good, but you still need multiple layers. The paints don't work well on wet pallets. I feel like it thins them too much and it becomes difficult to work with. They just need the barest amount of water to thin properly.

The colors are super vibrant which I love. My Tau army is based off their Sky Blue paint. It's a super matte finish where Citadel paints are more like a satin. I used citadel black primer and it's a noticable difference in finish, but I don't think it would be to the casual observer.

I don't think they have as diverse a paint range as something like Army Painter or even Citadel has. I think their paints are more geared towards people who are going to mix their preferred colors instead of expecting to use it right out the pot. They don't have any kind of contrast range, though you could achieve the same effect with some contrast medium. They just released a set of spray primer but it's the dead of winter so I haven't had the chance to try them yet.

The biggest win I think for ProAcryl is the cost. Right now GW wants $4.55 for a 12ml pot of base paint. ProAcryl sells you a 22ml pot for $4.66. for someone who really wants to stretch their dollar this is huge.

The big * is again my experience painting is limited. I am happy with the range but I haven't tried fanatic or Vallejo or Two Thin Coats. But from what I've heard from nearly everyone is the paint doesn't really matter. A skilled painter can make anything work. There isn't necessarily good or bad it's just different.

 

[p1138]

The biggest win I think for ProAcryl is the cost. Right now GW wants $4.55 for a 12ml pot of base paint. ProAcryl sells you a 22ml pot for $4.66. for someone who really wants to stretch their dollar this is huge.

The big * is again my experience painting is limited. I am happy with the range but I haven't tried fanatic or Vallejo or Two Thin Coats. But from what I've heard from nearly everyone is the paint doesn't really matter. A skilled painter can make anything work. There isn't necessarily good or bad it's just different.

Most of the paint brands are generally a better deal than GW paints. It gets even more ridiculous when you compare the tablespoon of texture paint you get from GW compared to the fucking 8 ounce jars and shit that companies like AK sell. And that's before realizing most of that stuff can be bought as pigment-less medium in bulk from golden, liquitex, and so on.

As far as the bad paint thing, that's not entirely true. The previous army painter warpaint line was dogshit with "extra medium"(because their shit separated more than anything else out there) leaving the paint in the bottles even more inconsistent, and was so bad they had instructions on their website that no other company needed. Where things get strange with paint is stuff like warcolour, scale75, and other paints that are more "gel" like. Yes they're usable, but if you aren't expecting the gel consistency you're in for a bad time. There's a reason those two brands have never been super popular or widely available in stores.

But yes, just about anything from the past couple of years Army painter fanatic, Vallejo, AK, TTC, ProAcryl, Turbodork(for some specific things), and so on are just fine.

 

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There are a bunch of colors that citadel has for which there aren't direct equivalents, although you can mix approximations of.
Off the top of my head: zandri dust, pallid wych flesh, mournfang brown, rakarth flesh, incubi darkness and volupus pink.
There are things for which vallejo is unmatched in my opinion, their basic black and all of their metals for example (although some of scalecolor's metals are ace like citrine alchemy and necro gold)

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

Most of the paint brands are generally a better deal than GW paints. It gets even more ridiculous when you compare the tablespoon of texture paint you get from GW compared to the fucking 8 ounce jars and shit that companies like AK sell. And that's before realizing most of that stuff can be bought as pigment-less medium in bulk from golden, liquitex, and so on.

This one also blows my mind how GW gets away with it. It's also where I was extremely disappointed when I tried ProAcryl's offering. I bought a tub of their bright sand basing texture thinking it would look like sand. It's said to be fine, their labels show a texture that looks just like desert sand. But then I open the jar and it's basically just mud. It's extremely difficult to apply even when watered down significantly. Instead I bought a bag of fake sand from Hobby Lobby meant for train sets and it worked so much better. All it takes is some thinned down Elmer's glue and dunking the base in a cup. Couldn't be easier and I have more than I know what to do with. I've seen similar techniques for dirt and gravel.

A word of warning in case anyone doesn't know, do not go outside and grab a fist full of sand to use as basing material unless you know how to bleach it. You have to kill all the tiny little microbes and bacteria that live in sand and dirt unless you want your models to also smell like Death Guard for added realism. The fake stuff they sell for dioramas is I think mainly wood chips which plays nicely with glue, and doesn't run the risk of contaminating.

 

[p1138]

This one also blows my mind how GW gets away with it. It's also where I was extremely disappointed when I tried ProAcryl's offering. I bought a tub of their bright sand basing texture thinking it would look like sand. It's said to be fine, their labels show a texture that looks just like desert sand. But then I open the jar and it's basically just mud. It's extremely difficult to apply even when watered down significantly. Instead I bought a bag of fake sand from Hobby Lobby meant for train sets and it worked so much better. All it takes is some thinned down Elmer's glue and dunking the base in a cup. Couldn't be easier and I have more than I know what to do with. I've seen similar techniques for dirt and gravel.

lol, don't forget GW used to be even more ridiculous selling a fucking 100 gram tub of sand for like $9.

 

[31 Black]

I'll throw my hat into the Femstodes situation, then disappear into the Webway for a long time to promote hedonistic gambling.

I know a lot of people have thrown the "OMG if you let a woman be Custodes, it's only a matter of time before a trans Ork of colour will become a Custodes!!" around a bit. While yes, the sudden changing of the lore is the foundation of the issue, the Ork example is a bit extreme and will make a lot of people dismissive. Instead, I offer this variation of the argument:

The Astra Militarum are some of the squishiest and weakest soldiers in the entire franchise. It requires a massive number of them to make a noticeable impact against any foe, especially an Astartes. The Adeptus Custodes are the best the Imperium has to offer and are the "apex predator" of the Astartes, so what do you think they would do to the men and women of the Milatrum? One alone would cut down thousands of mere mortals without breaking a sweat, and even if a las round or twenty hit (a stray shot because there is no way the guardsmen could ever aim at them properly), their armour and shields would nullify it. Two Custodes in the battlefield? Pack it in, boys, we tried. The only thing that almost defeated them was a combined attack of entire chapters of traitor legions, Chaos infused Marines and Primarchs, and endless waves of daemons.

In a game of Warhammer 40K (be it 10th Edition, Combat Patrol, Boarding Actions, etc.), at least ten Custodes are deployed minimum. Ten. And they can still be wounded and killed by the likes of the squishy Astra Militarum (Lethal Hits and lots and lots of dice help...eventually, the poor bastard is going to roll a few 1s). The Custodes can lose. I asked people who were more involved with the game and lore if there would ever be a situation where the Milatrum could actually win a battle against the Custodes, and they all responded with "It would never happen," and then explained the lore of the Custodes' strength above. Games are meant to be fair and balanced, so of course it would make sense that the Custodes would be weakened here, but something hit me after the fact:

If there can be a retcon to allow for female Custodes, why couldn't there be a retcon about a small detachment of the Astra Militarum that killed a handful of Custodes and won a battle in open combat? "Oh but it's just one platoon out of millions that pulled it off. Why couldn't there be a lucky victory?" The same fans saying they don't care about the changes to allow a Femstodes will balk at this idea because of the established lore (likely citing the above of what it took to defeat a single Custodes)...but they welcomed a "minor" change to the lore already, so why not this "minor" change?

I'll take my puzzle pieces and be on my way. Happy building, painting, and battling.

 

[p1138]

I know a lot of people have thrown the "OMG if you let a woman be Custodes, it's only a matter of time before a trans Ork of colour will become a Custodes!!" around a bit. While yes, the sudden changing of the lore is the foundation of the issue, the Ork example is a bit extreme and will make a lot of people dismissive. Instead, I offer this variation of the argument:

The Astra Militarum are some of the squishiest and weakest soldiers in the entire franchise. It requires a massive number of them to make a noticeable impact against any foe, especially an Astartes. The Adeptus Custodes are the best the Imperium has to offer and are the "apex predator" of the Astartes, so what do you think they would do to the men and women of the Milatrum? One alone would cut down thousands of mere mortals without breaking a sweat, and even if a las round or twenty hit (a stray shot because there is no way the guardsmen could ever aim at them properly), their armour and shields would nullify it. Two Custodes in the battlefield? Pack it in, boys, we tried. The only thing that almost defeated them was a combined attack of entire chapters of traitor legions, Chaos infused Marines and Primarchs, and endless waves of daemons.

In a game of Warhammer 40K (be it 10th Edition, Combat Patrol, Boarding Actions, etc.), at least ten Custodes are deployed minimum. Ten. And they can still be wounded and killed by the likes of the squishy Astra Militarum (Lethal Hits and lots and lots of dice help...eventually, the poor bastard is going to roll a few 1s). The Custodes can lose. I asked people who were more involved with the game and lore if there would ever be a situation where the Milatrum could actually win a battle against the Custodes, and they all responded with "It would never happen," and then explained the lore of the Custodes' strength above. Games are meant to be fair and balanced, so of course it would make sense that the Custodes would be weakened here, but something hit me after the fact:

There's another problem with this, and it isn't related to femstodes, female space marines, or anything of the sort.

GW doesn't know wtf they're doing when they're writing. They use numbers of guardsmen to take planets that wouldn't have been enough soldiers for d-day in ww2 or even some battles in ww1. Sometimes they write space marines taking "long range shots" under 20 meters. The number of times a space marine being described in a way that's supposed to be showing off how intimidating they are and using "over 2 meters tall" in the description... congrats you've also described an NBA team. Meanwhile you've got custodes losing 1v1 fights to chaos space marines, guardsmen beating necrons who can teleport and time travel, and space marines beating up eldar who can predict the future. Power scaling in 40k lore is even more retarded than comic books, dragonball, etc. and has never been represented well on the table in any edition or era of lore writing(sometimes it isn't even consistent within a singular book).

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

If there can be a retcon to allow for female Custodes, why couldn't there be a retcon about a small detachment of the Astra Militarum that killed a handful of Custodes and won a battle in open combat? "Oh but it's just one platoon out of millions that pulled it off. Why couldn't there be a lucky victory?" The same fans saying they don't care about the changes to allow a Femstodes will balk at this idea because of the established lore (likely citing the above of what it took to defeat a single Custodes)...but they welcomed a "minor" change to the lore already, so why not this "minor" change?

there's plenty of members of the Imperial Guard who can body members of the custodians Ciaphas Cain hero of the Imperium Ibrahim gaunt leader .
Oan Mkoll responsible for the death of about four separate Space Marines has killed the leader of one of the most powerful chaos Cults in the sabbats world Crusade.
Hlaine Larkin highest kill count of any human sniper in the Imperial Guard a custodian would be dead on the field before they even knew what hit them.
Sly Marbo most decorated man in the Imperial Guard you could probably kill a custodian.

really depends on the regiment first and only know that custodian is going to die horribly.

GW doesn't know wtf they're doing when they're writing. They use numbers of guardsmen to take planets that wouldn't have been enough soldiers for d-day in ww2 or even some battles in ww1. Sometimes they write space marines taking "long range shots" under 20 meters. The number of times a space marine being described in a way that's supposed to be showing off how intimidating they are and using "over 2 meters tall" in the description... congrats you've also described an NBA team. Meanwhile you've got custodes losing 1v1 fights to chaos space marines, guardsmen beating necrons who can teleport and time travel, and space marines beating up eldar who can predict the future. Power scaling in 40k lore is even more retarded than comic books, dragonball, etc. and has never been represented well on the table in any edition or era of lore writing(sometimes it isn't even consistent within a singular book).

I would say the ghosts novels have the opposite of that issue literally on one occasion they literally have 80,000 tanks do you know how many canisters of fuel you would go through trying to supply 80,000 tanks.

including spare parts support personnel and everything required to run all of those tanks that is literally ridiculous amount of armor.



at least the siege of Vraks gets how many men it would take to storm a massively entrenched position towards the end of it they lose 14 million soldiers.

the fact of the matter is the Space Marines and the custodians don't hold the line it's actually the Imperial Guard the Space Marines in custodian should have the budgets Cuts because they are inefficient waste of resources.

 

[p1138]

I would say the ghosts novels have the opposite of that issue literally on one occasion they literally have 80,000 tanks do you know how many canisters of fuel you would go through trying to supply 80,000 tanks.

including spare parts support personnel and everything required to run all of those tanks that is literally ridiculous amount of armor.

No, in fact it's just as retarded as what I was talking about for anything else GW writes.

The siege of vraks lasted 17 years? WW2 didn't last that long, and ok 80,000 tanks... that's not too much more than Russia's output of t-34 tanks alone during ww2(around 50,000 or so?). So once again, a full planetary scale war doesn't manage to out-do numbers for continental warfare on Earth. GW's idea of scale is comically fucking stupid. And that's not even getting into the problems with air/orbital superiority that would exist within such a narrative if any actual thought were put into the matter(and it isn't as if the imperial navy doesn't exist in 40k).

IG books/lore is shitty ww1/ww2 porn written by nerds who have no idea what the fuck they're talking about when it comes to any sort of numbers at all, and it's why space marine bolter porn is just as bad(usually for different but still similar reasons).

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

The siege of vraks lasted 17 years? WW2 didn't last that long, and ok 80,000 tanks... that's not too much more than Russia's output of t-34 tanks alone during ww2(around 50,000 or so?). So once again, a full planetary scale war doesn't manage to out-do numbers for continental warfare on Earth. GW's idea of scale is comically fucking stupid. And that's not even getting into the problems with air/orbital superiority that would exist within such a narrative if any actual thought were put into the matter(and it isn't as if the imperial navy doesn't exist in 40k).

I can at least see why there's not a lot of massive bombing campaigns in gw's book simply due to the fact that void Shields exist over large Hive section so you really can't bomb something when someone has a massive void feel they can just block most of your.

even though I enjoy the ghost novels it really annoys me when Dan abnett forgets grenades are a thing.

for some reason the Imperial Guard is incapable of working with the Imperial Navy because angry shouting matches.

none of these people have ever picked up a book on combined arms Doctrine or a single book on Modern Combat