Warhammer 40k

[Spilled Spaghett]

I've been so unbelievably tempted to open my own LGS to exploit a gap in the market of 'normal people playing table top and being normal' but then again, I'll have to filter rainbow people and 'that guy' before its normal.

I know game stores aren't great businesses to run, but as long as I can make a living and have some fun I think it'd be worth it. Sadly running any business is never so easy.

Depending on your area, you'd be filtering out up to 50% of your customer base. I don't like the rainbow alphabet crowd either, but money is money at the end of the day.

Money is money but if you don't filter out insane trannies they will filter your customers for you. No one wants to go to a store that has the man in a dress who always causes a fight if you don't play pretend with him. Troons love nothing more than ruining things people enjoy and having power over others. They will control you if you let them.

 

[Humble Architect]

New Lucius lore is fucking hilarious, he can go lifetimes inbetween respawns now, sometimes doesn’t have his gear and has no idea where he is, like respawning from a severed arm in a corpse pit or respawning from the Necron Lord controlling the drone who killed him

Then he has to go on quests to get his shit back.

I’m imagining the A-Team movie where Hannibal is about to get cremated but awakens at last minute. Imagine being a corpse starch maker and a roided up version of this walks out of the body pile.

I love whoever wrote this cause I know it’s gonna piss off more people that best boy is immune to all those “kill Lucius forever” discussions that shit up threads.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Those LGSs are fucking wild to do that.

- Discounts start at 20%. Ive got 25% by negotiating but you wont get much more. Insane to think they offer 0%
- food and drink they should sell on site and not kick up a fuss about outside. Unless you make a mess but thats on you
- charging for tables is fine if its like $5 and good tables with terrain, airconned and heated etc. Anything more is a scam.

I've been so unbelievably tempted to open my own LGS to exploit a gap in the market of 'normal people playing table top and being normal' but then again, I'll have to filter rainbow people and 'that guy' before its normal.

You'd be better off hosting events or some kind of group. Community centers are usually cheap enough to host and happy for people to be using whatever onsite facilities they have. If you have one nearby that also does childcare even better, dad can show up to play Warhammer while his kid/s get to run around and play with others all day.

 

[Glory To Arztotska]

Random question: Are Astartes power armors and weapons watersealed enough to walk across an ocean floor?

 

[AncientPhosphur]

I love whoever wrote this cause I know it’s gonna piss off more people that best boy is immune to all those “kill Lucius forever” discussions that shit up threads.

I knew it. They decided Trazyn throws him in a stasis container using Konrad Curze being aware he was in stasis as a loophole to say “lol, chaos am I rite?”

(Obviously it was the correct answer)

 

[I don't like goblins]

Random question: Are Astartes power armors and weapons watersealed enough to walk across an ocean floor?

Well, the suits function in space, so they are air-tight and therefore presumably water-tight. I don't know if bolters work underwater, I could see it going either way. The real questions are: 'Do Astartes get The Bends if they decompress too fast?' and 'Can power armor withstand the pressure of the ocean floor?'

For question 1: I would assume Astartes physiology allows them to decompress without getting The Bends, it seems like the kind of thing that the writers might throw in as a blurb somewhere.

For question 2: Logically speaking, power armor should implode at high pressures. The actual armored shell may withstand the pressure, but the undersuit (which is exposed in many places) almost certainly wouldn't. So at great depths, Astartes probably couldn't function; In shallow water, I'd give it a pass under the rule-of-cool.

 

[Lightning's Heraldry]

Random question: Are Astartes power armors and weapons watersealed enough to walk across an ocean floor?

 

[p1138]

Random question: Are Astartes power armors and weapons watersealed enough to walk across an ocean floor?

Pretty sure I recall them doing so in one of the early Horus Heresy books, specifically Fulgrim(book 5) when they were taking the Laer planet but I don't believe they ever specified or even implied what sort of depth but they do fight underwater.

They've also been written as being able to somehow swim in their power armor which makes no damned sense at all but it's 40k, it was never going to fully make sense.

 

[FinnSven]

Well, the suits function in space, so they are air-tight and therefore presumably water-tight. I don't know if bolters work underwater, I could see it going either way. The real questions are: 'Do Astartes get The Bends if they decompress too fast?' and 'Can power armor withstand the pressure of the ocean floor?'

For question 1: I would assume Astartes physiology allows them to decompress without getting The Bends, it seems like the kind of thing that the writers might throw in as a blurb somewhere.

For question 2: Logically speaking, power armor should implode at high pressures. The actual armored shell may withstand the pressure, but the undersuit (which is exposed in many places) almost certainly wouldn't. So at great depths, Astartes probably couldn't function; In shallow water, I'd give it a pass under the rule-of-cool.

I would say that even if bolters shouldn’t work underwater, they probably will do, with the explanation of them being mini rocket launchers rather than bullets.

Presumably the gases to propel the bolt don’t require oxygen to burn, especially if they will work in space.

What would work inarguably would be shiruken catapults, as they are essentially a rail gun, pushing a projectile between two magnetic fields.

But wh40k is pretty much science fantasy rather than science based science fiction, so whatever will work or not work depending on the plot or specific rules.

 

[EleventySeven]

Well, the suits function in space, so they are air-tight and therefore presumably water-tight. I don't know if bolters work underwater, I could see it going either way. The real questions are: 'Do Astartes get The Bends if they decompress too fast?' and 'Can power armor withstand the pressure of the ocean floor?'

For question 1: I would assume Astartes physiology allows them to decompress without getting The Bends, it seems like the kind of thing that the writers might throw in as a blurb somewhere.

For question 2: Logically speaking, power armor should implode at high pressures. The actual armored shell may withstand the pressure, but the undersuit (which is exposed in many places) almost certainly wouldn't. So at great depths, Astartes probably couldn't function; In shallow water, I'd give it a pass under the rule-of-cool.

Astartes can survive outright vacuum with no suit for a little while so I imagine the bends probably don't happen. As for bolters, modern gyrojets work underwater just fine so Bolters should work as well. Each round carries it's own propellant and oxygen-supplying chemical and all that. In fact, the US military had a working prototype of what is essentially a boltgun in the form of the Lancejet, a specifically underwater gyrojet that used the same blunt tips as supercavitating torpedoes to allow them to hit air velocities underwater.

What would work inarguably would be shiruken catapults, as they are essentially a rail gun, pushing a projectile between two magnetic fields.

Railguns are actually quite bad underwater since they can't reach proper velocities with all that drag. That and the water in a catapult would short circuit the electromagnets, although it's eldar warp-sung wraithbone magi-tech so who knows on those. The way to make those work underwater is to have them sealed right until the moment of fire which is then blown through by the missile. That's how submarine vertical launch tubes work, just with rocket engines and not a railgun. Sort of like the front of a taser but it cuts you in half.

 

[augment]

From my 4th edition codex, shuriken weaponry works by using "gravitic accelerators" and the stuff they shoot are mono-molecular discs taken from a solid wraithbone magazine core. They would work, but due to the viscosity of ocean water their effectiveness would be a function of distance.

 

[EleventySeven]

From my 4th edition codex, shuriken weaponry works by using "gravitic accelerators" and the stuff they shoot are mono-molecular discs taken from a solid wraithbone magazine core. They would work, but due to the viscosity of ocean water their effectiveness would be a function of distance.

Gravitic accelerators fixes the conductivity problem. And the mono-molecular discs solves the viscosity problem, I imagine. They just cut between water molecules so they only really need to move a very small amount of water with them, especially since I imagine wraithbone is hydrophobic cause warpery. Still less effective underwater but certainly not stopped by it.

 

[Male Idiot]

I recall old codexes that mention space marines fighting underwater.

The hardness of the undersuit is never stated, and there is no concensus canonically on how hard it is.

Sometimes it is vulnerable, sometimes it is armoured. I would go for the latter just because it is space proof, space is more hostile than water.

They can definately fight underwater, and even their tanks can go underwater because they are hybrids so they can use combustible fuel or electricity to go, or even have their own oxygen in case they need to burn fuel without air. Land Raiders are mentioned to be able to just go to the ocean floor and keep going to butthurt Tau. More recently the primaris Dark Krakens (Nautical negroes, ahem, Salamander Successors but with water not fire) have been said to fight tyranids as well as their homeworld's sea monsters at the seafloor too.

However almost all instances have them walking across the seafloor and not swimming. The only swimming reference I found was in Ragnar's Claw, but that book is very, very old.

 

[4EB]

Random question: Are Astartes power armors and weapons watersealed enough to walk across an ocean floor?

In Black Tide the Blood Angels, and Flesh Tearers fight Tyranids underwater using bolters, and a plasma gun. They say that any punctures in their armor will cause the water pressure to kill them. iirc they do have something attached to their armor to allow them to float to the surface.

 

[Dicksmash Turbofist]

Assembling resin kriegsmen is perhaps the most frustrating thing I've attempted in my life.

 

[Lightning's Heraldry]

Assembling resin kriegsmen is perhaps the most frustrating thing I've attempted in my life.

With the availability of all the new plastic ones why would you ever willingly assemble resin in the first place? You just get a good deal on a lot of them?

 

[isalaide]

You'd be better off hosting events or some kind of group. Community centers are usually cheap enough to host and happy for people to be using whatever onsite facilities they have. If you have one nearby that also does childcare even better, dad can show up to play Warhammer while his kid/s get to run around and play with others all day.

This. We do this. It's a closed group and we don't advertise, existing members get to recommend normal people they meet in other groups for invitation. There's a good local facility we hire regularly with more than one room, and we hire two or three of the girls who work at the local nursery to do a creche type affair in one of the other rooms. We put on snacks, drinks etc and there's a pasta delivery at lunch and a pizza delivery at night for everyone. The kid-bringers generally bring the kids for a few hours and then the mums come and pick them up later on so they've not been lumped with kids all day whilst the dude plays toy soldiers. It's good times. Is the standard of play ultra-high or ultra-competitive? Not really although there are quite a number of folk who are really good and they tend to play each other. There's a lot of modellers and painters in the crew so there's always some really lovely stuff to see and admire.

It's not free obviously, and it's not suitable if you want to play every week or every fortnight, but it lets us actually play with no drama and no That Guy and all that shit, so in our view we are happy to eat the cost to get to actually play someone other than each other. Also lets us put together narrative weekends etc. It's unfortunate but honestly my observation is that a lot of the more enjoyable tabletop events are basically 'hidden' in the same way for the same reasons, no one can deal with That Guy and the people who smell and the dude behind the LGS counter who looks like he might not be allowed near local schools.

I don't mind organising these meets at all but I would not in any circumstances consider a public or open reg event. Helped out and ran farrrrr too many of those to be dealing with that shit nowadays.

 

[Dicksmash Turbofist]

With the availability of all the new plastic ones why would you ever willingly assemble resin in the first place? You just get a good deal on a lot of them?

I bought them a while ago. It was after the plastic kit came out, but they had been sold out for months. I also like having as many unique poses as possible (not an easy task with guardsmen). I'm finally going back to try and finish them now that I'm planning to run three 20 man squads of them.

 

[augment]

Assembling resin kriegsmen is perhaps the most frustrating thing I've attempted in my life.

In case your CA bottle doesn't come with one, find 3rd party CA glue tips. I'm assuming most of the pain in this case is coming from setting gear options and posing.

 

[Dicksmash Turbofist]

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In case your CA bottle doesn't come with one, find 3rd party CA glue tips. I'm assuming most of the pain in this case is coming from setting gear options and posing.

I won't lie, part of my issue comes from inexperience working with resin. It doesn't help that parts came broken off of the sprue containing the letters the instructions refer to, so I've had to guess which arms fit together on which torso. On the bright side, GW customer support sent me a free replacement when I sent them a picture of how fucked up the kit was.