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Anyone can kill a space marine in 40k if the space marine loses their plot armor because the writer wants them dead.
Yup the one thing Abnet gets correct is that space Marines Can bowl through basically entire companies of enemy infantry like it's nothing.
They opposed to be the equivalent to basically an entire special operations unit.
It's also dumb when the Harlequins get beaten they opposed to be the elite of the Space Elves
 
Yup the one thing Abnet gets correct is that space Marines Can bowl through basically entire companies of enemy infantry like it's nothing.
They opposed to be the equivalent to basically an entire special operations unit.
It's also dumb when the Harlequins get beaten they opposed to be the elite of the Space Elves
Gaunt can easily melee a squad of Khorne Berzerkers. Which was a hell of a backlash after reading Cain barely managed to scrape by 2, and would have lost on his own despite being like the best human warrior of his century if we don't count Yarrick.

The hammerhead baking a leman russ? Ok. An Emperor Titan? Lol. That would need a lot of Mantas and the big FW suits. Those things are ludicrous.

Also Rhinos and Predators are somehow worse than IG tanks on the tabletop. Despite the elite crew and better made armour and guns. We can chalk it up to balance or gw being tarded as usual.
 
Gaunt can easily melee a squad of Khorne Berzerkers. Which was a hell of a backlash after reading Cain barely managed to scrape by 2, and would have lost on his own despite being like squadron
That one's forgivable because it literally leads only one and he technically has his totally not magical power sword I swear guys.
Nos were killed by a handpicked kill team as well as some angry natives.
The hammerhead baking a leman russ? Ok. An Emperor Titan? Lol. That would need a lot of Mantas and the big FW suits. Those things are ludicrous.
Yeah mantis should be no match for an Emperor Titan an Emperor Titan is literally walking super fortress mantis's .
Capable of destroying a Warlord oh one of these slightly larger variants but seriously even in its own description it says it's incapable of shooting through heavy void shields of starships guess what the Emperor Titan has built into it void Shields that do the equivalent of Starship.
The Manta is basically equivalent to a Warlord.

It's what happens when the writers never check the source material to make sure it's accurate also they don't go into battle alone they are usually leading a massive push by a bunch of smaller war machines and protected by dedicated air cover and aa guns.


T'au Empire
Net faction and its fans are single worst group of people in the entire warhammer 40K group of people even the space elf defense voice is less embarrassing than those subhuman space liberal fan base.
Someone provided least a good novel series where they constantly get their **** punched in by chaos which they would because literally they have no actual defenses I have a titan killing airship I have a bunch of cultists and little space demons
 
There's a summary here. He's a piece of shit that is straddling the line of deserving his own thread. And the creeping out a creator bit was him putting together a video of meeting up with her, but not telling her he was going to start the video naked in bed dreaming about her like a fucking weirdo.
Just read the link. Yeah now I’m remind why I decided to stay in the lore section of 40 K not so much the game/miniature painting. Because at least with the lower section, you are either dealing with people who want parts of 40 K to represent real world politics rather than use 4K as an escapism. And on the other side, you got autistic people like myself who want the lore to seem coherent and stick to its rules.
 
Net faction and its fans are single worst group of people in the entire warhammer 40K
Your larger post was too imuch of an incoherent mess to properly reply to but there's no fucking way the troons who make up a large portion of any Slaanesh aligned faction or the Drukhari™ are better than the T'au™ fanbase. As a general rule Tau fans are weebs but that's about the worst of it.

A lot of Tau hate really seems to come from people who only know the lore from youtube videos and reddit, same types who endlessly post Krieg shovel memes or Guilliman/Yvraine ships. If they actually read some of the BL novels or, God forbid, the codex lore they'd realise the Tau are nefarious motherfuckers who feed their "allies" "tranquility wafers" and control their native population through some type of mind control. The Ethereal caste are up to no good and Farsight realised this and got the fuck out of dodge.
 
So, are Severina Raine and Minka Lesk any good, or are they just your basic boss-bitch stronk female characters that I should not waste my time reading about? Minka has shorts that sound quite interesting (despite Cadia being overhyped boring shit) and Raine has quite a few shorts and books herself, but from her lex page she sounds just so generic and damned boring.
 
Your larger post was too imuch of an incoherent mess to properly reply to but there's no fucking way the troons who make up a large portion of any Slaanesh aligned faction or the Drukhari™ are better than the T'au™ fanbase. As a general rule Tau fans are weebs but that's about the worst of it.

A lot of Tau hate really seems to come from people who only know the lore from youtube videos and reddit, same types who endlessly post Krieg shovel memes or Guilliman/Yvraine ships. If they actually read some of the BL novels or, God forbid, the codex lore they'd realise the Tau are nefarious motherfuckers who feed their "allies" "tranquility wafers" and control their native population through some type of mind control. The Ethereal caste are up to no good and Farsight realised this and got the fuck out of dodge.
The tau serve two purposes, both of which I think are very useful for the game: A "good" faction to demonstrate that even good intentions do not survive contact with the 40k galaxy without fail. They are supposed to be proof, an example to anyone who thinks "I could solve this world's problems" or wondering why everyone can't just be nice. And also as a way to introduce all sorts of minor xenos races both in lore and on the tabletop. Personally, I like the Tau more for this second one since I really like minor xenos races even though they'd never warrant their own factions.
 
So, are Severina Raine and Minka Lesk any good, or are they just your basic boss-bitch stronk female characters that I should not waste my time reading about? Minka has shorts that sound quite interesting (despite Cadia being overhyped boring shit) and Raine has quite a few shorts and books herself, but from her lex page she sounds just so generic and damned boring.
My brother's read them and said they're fine. Seems like she isn't just your typical girl boss. Haven't read them myself but from a Guard fan he seemed to enjoy them.
And also as a way to introduce all sorts of minor xenos races both in lore and on the tabletop. Personally, I like the Tau more for this second one since I really like minor xenos races even though they'd never warrant their own factions.
This is sadly where T'au fails hard on the tabletop. The novels and lore introduce a lot of really cool races. Shadowsun's novel has her working with a bear psyker and a mind controlling worm thing. The kroot recently got a few characters, and vespid got a refresh, but we're still sorely lacking in variety outside of battlesuits. It's hard to run anything else when battlesuits are just so much stronger than anything else. They could make so many cool models and aliens and GW decides not to. I'm actually kind of surprised we don't have an Imperial Agents equivalent for Xenos where Xenos armies can hire mercenaries. I think the only factions who wouldn't use mercenaries are Necrons and Tyranids. Fluff-wise Necrons could say that they're using mind control scarabs. Tyranids are the only one I can't think of an excuse for.
 
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Give me clocks if late, but I didn't see this posted.

The short version of the video. He has a price list for GW from the 90s. To his surprise, the prices have risen below the rate of inflation, so in a way, 40k prices are better now than they were in the 90s. The exception is heroes, who used to be priced as a typical single model, but now demand a premium.

There's a lot of cope and excuses in the comments. Some valid. Like the models being mostly metal back then, or 2e being a lower model count game. It's interesting to see my memories of Warhammer being expensive back in the day was accurate, not just me being a broke teenager.
 
Give me clocks if late, but I didn't see this posted.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0F78OSEk1bUThe short version of the video. He has a price list for GW from the 90s. To his surprise, the prices have risen below the rate of inflation, so in a way, 40k prices are better now than they were in the 90s. The exception is heroes, who used to be priced as a typical single model, but now demand a premium.

There's a lot of cope and excuses in the comments. Some valid. Like the models being mostly metal back then, or 2e being a lower model count game. It's interesting to see my memories of Warhammer being expensive back in the day was accurate, not just me being a broke teenager.
Well when you are already charging like a 500+% profit increase I would hope you at least increase less than inflation lol
 
Give me clocks if late, but I didn't see this posted.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0F78OSEk1bUThe short version of the video. He has a price list for GW from the 90s. To his surprise, the prices have risen below the rate of inflation, so in a way, 40k prices are better now than they were in the 90s. The exception is heroes, who used to be priced as a typical single model, but now demand a premium.

There's a lot of cope and excuses in the comments. Some valid. Like the models being mostly metal back then, or 2e being a lower model count game. It's interesting to see my memories of Warhammer being expensive back in the day was accurate, not just me being a broke teenager.
Kek, that's some Paul Krugman "no child"ing apologia.
 
Give me clocks if late, but I didn't see this posted.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0F78OSEk1bUThe short version of the video. He has a price list for GW from the 90s. To his surprise, the prices have risen below the rate of inflation, so in a way, 40k prices are better now than they were in the 90s. The exception is heroes, who used to be priced as a typical single model, but now demand a premium.

There's a lot of cope and excuses in the comments. Some valid. Like the models being mostly metal back then, or 2e being a lower model count game. It's interesting to see my memories of Warhammer being expensive back in the day was accurate, not just me being a broke teenager.
I remember casually looking at model prices 10 and 20 years ago and thinking that todays prices arent terrible in comparison. Glad its laid out like this.

Ill preface this by saying that my opinion of GW isnt negative. That may change, but they do a pretty good job at supporting their games (if only updates for armies werent so far out).

What IS a price increase thats unreasonable / above inflation / price gouging is:
- bundles giving less value. Combat patrol is a great example that the models included have a tendency to be outright worse (points/ability wise) and the % savings start to become less and less. Whilst the current Custodes box is godtier on value, the one before was EVEN better.
- standard points games going up to 2k, requiring more models. The game is hardly balanced at lower levels as a result of wider ranges therefore points played at go up, requiring more models and money. Combat Patrol helps this with preset armies relatively balanced against each other, GW should do more of this.
- wider range of models that become more and more required. Outside of Drukhari and maybe Votann, ranges are huge. Theres a model for every role, situation and counter. Often in person, monster and vehicle form. Sometimes theres even an overlap.
- leader/character models becoming more powerful and therefore required for every unit. You are not compelled to take a leader for every unit, but with their abilities and 2k points, you'd be silly not to.
- range refreshes that either fuck with existing models or outright legends them. If its only a base size change, this is less of an issue. But Firstborn wont be around much longer, invalidating collections decades old.
- lack of support / interest in legends. A good way to support those older models would be balancing points and legends only tournaments for fun, to encourage interest. But cant make money on that.

Tl;dr GW dont have a cost increase issue, so much as an army cost issue. Your models cost about the same, you just need a lot more for an army in more roles as a result of expanding ranges and army points.
 
I take issue with how this comparison is done. Calculating inflation is never so simple as being able to apply a flat percentage to goods and say that all things now are double the price they were in 1996. Different goods inflate at different rates, and I would need to see better evidence to know that the cost of producing plastic injected model kits has actually doubled since 1996. With Games Workshop expanding their business and bringing in record sales I find it difficult to believe that over the course of 30 years not once were they able to lower their cost of production. It's also not a fair comparison of apples to apples. It's as close as can be, but with GW switching from more expensive metal to cheaper plastic we should be expecting modern kits to beat the inflation rate, not meet it.
 
It's also not a fair comparison of apples to apples. It's as close as can be, but with GW switching from more expensive metal to cheaper plastic we should be expecting modern kits to beat the inflation rate, not meet it.

GW has also switched from plastic to harder resins in recent years, so there has been at least two major changes to how the company makes their action figures since that price guide was released. On top of that, they are far more detailed today and have grown in scale slightly because they are different sclupts, so even getting them out of the molds is not going to be the same. Business-wise, these toys are entirely different products in every way despite the names on the boxes. It's only the myopic paypigs who play that gay ass game who fail to realize it.
 
I take issue with how this comparison is done. Calculating inflation is never so simple as being able to apply a flat percentage to goods and say that all things now are double the price they were in 1996. Different goods inflate at different rates, and I would need to see better evidence to know that the cost of producing plastic injected model kits has actually doubled since 1996. With Games Workshop expanding their business and bringing in record sales I find it difficult to believe that over the course of 30 years not once were they able to lower their cost of production. It's also not a fair comparison of apples to apples. It's as close as can be, but with GW switching from more expensive metal to cheaper plastic we should be expecting modern kits to beat the inflation rate, not meet it.
This is absolutely true, and varies depending on the industry. Hell, look at video games. SNES games were $60, and until recently when devs pushed it up to $70, AAA games were still $60. However the cost to manufacture and distribute the games dropped drastically, and the volume of sales for games massively increased. GW has obviously managed to lower production costs with plastic, CAD, etc. and also increased their sales volume. And of course the prices of characters doesn't fit inflation either as those prices are through the roof by comparison.

I think I've even mentioned this inflation vs GW price issue in this thread previously. However, I don't see it as "oh look, GW isn't screwing us" it's more like "this shit has always been expensive for a big pile of small army men figures" is the better take away. Still doesn't mean I'm going to just blindly throw money at GW or think they're my friend for their pricing as there's plenty of other ways to get models especially these days.
 
I remember casually looking at model prices 10 and 20 years ago and thinking that todays prices arent terrible in comparison. Glad its laid out like this.
I don't see it as "oh look, GW isn't screwing us" it's more like "this shit has always been expensive for a big pile of small army men figures" is the better take away.
This was my take away as well.

It makes me wonder if there was a sweet spot around 2010 when prices were lower in comparison to income or inflation. eg. If the cost of space marines remained stagnant and it's only the last few years they bumped the price.
 
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