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Couple of big hobby fuck ups the last few days.

Wanted to try speedpaint/contrast paint.

First I wanted a white satin spray to go with my matt grey primer for a zenathol highlight. Had none in stock locally, and I didn't want to pay the GW tax. All they had was enamel spray for radiators. Hobby friend who was with me said it would work just fine as it's all basically the same.

I don't like it. It seems to form a hard plastic shell, leaves details but likes to glob between islands (like a gun held across the chest, it will connect the two as it dries?) and it takes an age to dry. As in, primer is touch dry in less than an hour. This was still tacky to the touch 12 hours later.

Next fuck up was the speedpaint. I had two test models. A space marine, and a third party guardsman. When it worked, it was incredible. The space marines arms looked fantastic, and one paldron I applied the paint, blow on it, and it formed a perfect shade over the curve. 10/10 would win a golden demon in my imagination.

The rest of the model was a mess. Visible brush strokes, pooling and blobbing everywhere, and removing or moving said pools resulted in more visible brush lines. Maybe I was using it too thick (everything online says to use speed/contrast paints neat from the bottle), as these splotches and brush marks overpower any benefit from zenithal. Another problem was, while the recesses looked good at times, the "highlights" often looked like white with a mild stain where paint has slid off. Watering the paint down even slightly results in this being even worse. Multiple coats results in the blobing and visible brush marks issue.


I'm clearing fucking up, but with so many variables, I'm not sure where.
Well, your primer for one but you already knew that.

An issue I've seen with multiple speed paint brands is using it straight from the bottle the shit just dries way too fast before brush strokes can level out. Thinning it with a little water, medium, retarder, etc helps with this.
 
Contrast/speedpaints

My understanding is that large panels aren't great for it. How large is large panel? No clue.

A lot of contrasts take a bit or practice and learning. I mainly use them for gem effects, skin and hair where its hard to fuck it up. I certainly suggest having very little on the brush when applying so you can control it better.
 
Just got some models I had made from a friend of mine screw you gw you're not going to give me icon Confederates I'll make my own by that I mean I'll have my friend who's a 3D modeling guy make them for me.

Also the last hill were the first company gets completely butchered except for 15 people but some other 7th company doesn't get their **** kicked they simply drew the fact that the holding up position that somewhat defensible also the end part where they call an artillery why didn't they do that to begin with justin Hill clearly was rushed on that book and it shows.

Yes Stormtrooper Cassican get their ass handed to them but the strong woman 7th company does not I totally make sense.

She's really not a badly written character it just makes no sense that the elite first company protecting the Lord General dies to a man.

Prompts though for actually having the Confessor beat people to death with the power mace rather than them just staring at people and walking around the battlefield like an idiot.

Siege of Vraks​


For all the hype that is given by all of the **** youtubers who make all the same five videos it really has a very bad book adaptation like seriously it just completely and utterly disjointed
 
Contrast/speedpaints

My understanding is that large panels aren't great for it. How large is large panel? No clue.

A lot of contrasts take a bit or practice and learning. I mainly use them for gem effects, skin and hair where its hard to fuck it up. I certainly suggest having very little on the brush when applying so you can control it better.

If you're using cripple paints for anything other than recess shades, run them through an airbrush.

They have the same problem as traditional washes, where they will just leave tea stains on flat areas unless you apply them like a glaze. Like washes, they are great as a glaze/filter, but unless you're used to applying paint that way then an airbrush turns it into easy mode.

I take the piss out of them all the time. Though they definitely have their uses. They're not as flexible as enamel washes, but if you want a glaze/filter straight out of the pot they're more than serviceable.
 
Ah fuck it. I'll double-post, because this shit grinds my gears...

Why are there no YT channels out there that teach people the fundamentals of miniature painting? The only one that comes close is Vince Venturella (pbuh). I've been half-tempted to make some videos myself, because if you're just coming into the hobby and/or going beyond the absolute basics your options are i) watch somebody paint a Golden Daemon winner or ii) some variation of slopchop/how to paint a 2000pt army in five minutes.

I'm no expert, but I've accumulated enough knowledge over the years to know that there are huge gaps out there. Simple shit like how to thin paint properly for the type of application you're using it for, how to apply it based on what you're trying to achieve, what techniques to use at each stage etc. The scale modelling channels seem to have this covered, but most miniature painting channels are either trying to hawk the latest paint or are just a self-congratulatory wankfest. There is a bunch of stuff that is just assumed and people wonder why they can't re-create what they see on screen, get disappointed and ultimately feel less inclined to take part in one of the most rewarding aspects of the hobby.
 
Ah fuck it. I'll double-post, because this shit grinds my gears...

Why are there no YT channels out there that teach people the fundamentals of miniature painting? The only one that comes close is Vince Venturella (pbuh). I've been half-tempted to make some videos myself, because if you're just coming into the hobby and/or going beyond the absolute basics your options are i) watch somebody paint a Golden Daemon winner or ii) some variation of slopchop/how to paint a 2000pt army in five minutes.

I'm no expert, but I've accumulated enough knowledge over the years to know that there are huge gaps out there. Simple shit like how to thin paint properly for the type of application you're using it for, how to apply it based on what you're trying to achieve, what techniques to use at each stage etc. The scale modelling channels seem to have this covered, but most miniature painting channels are either trying to hawk the latest paint or are just a self-congratulatory wankfest. There is a bunch of stuff that is just assumed and people wonder why they can't re-create what they see on screen, get disappointed and ultimately feel less inclined to take part in one of the most rewarding aspects of the hobby.
Duncan is still reliably churning out mostly entry-level-friendly videos in the traditional base-wash-highlight formula - he sometimes goes further, but that was true even in his Warhammer TV days. He doesn't even go out of his way to hawk his line of paints in the painting videos beyond using them.
Or did you mean a lack of more theoretical content? Marco Frisoni has come up in this thread in the past for his attempts to introduce actual high art principles to wargamers (I believe it was one of his videos on grisaille in particular that was referenced here), and as you say, the scale modelling side cover their territory fairly well. Neither is aiming for absolute beginners, though, and I think Frisoni is even an actual Golden Daemon winner, even if he mostly posts speed-painting.
 
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Duncan is still reliably churning out mostly entry-level-friendly videos in the traditional base-wash-highlight formula - he sometimes goes further, but that was true even in his Warhammer TV days. He doesn't even go out of his way to hawk his line of paints in the painting videos beyond using them.

Yeah, Duncan is still in the base>wash>layer>highlight rut for the most part. Its a good system, but it was designed to achieve a very specific result (as well as sell GW's paint range).

Marco is fantastic, but as you say he leans into the theory a lot. I'm coming at it from a more practical perspective. Everyone knows the "thin you paints" mantra, but even something as fundamental as thinning your paints doesn't come naturally and it is something that comes with it's own set of nuances. Paints thin differently depending on the pigments used and their density, some paints are more prone to chalking when thinned, different manufacturers use different mediums which adds another layer of complexity to it etc. Sure, you could just blunder through it and use trial and error, but knowing what to look out for would stop a lot of disappointment and stripped models.
 
Ah fuck it. I'll double-post, because this shit grinds my gears...

Why are there no YT channels out there that teach people the fundamentals of miniature painting? The only one that comes close is Vince Venturella (pbuh). I've been half-tempted to make some videos myself, because if you're just coming into the hobby and/or going beyond the absolute basics your options are i) watch somebody paint a Golden Daemon winner or ii) some variation of slopchop/how to paint a 2000pt army in five minutes.

I'm no expert, but I've accumulated enough knowledge over the years to know that there are huge gaps out there. Simple shit like how to thin paint properly for the type of application you're using it for, how to apply it based on what you're trying to achieve, what techniques to use at each stage etc. The scale modelling channels seem to have this covered, but most miniature painting channels are either trying to hawk the latest paint or are just a self-congratulatory wankfest. There is a bunch of stuff that is just assumed and people wonder why they can't re-create what they see on screen, get disappointed and ultimately feel less inclined to take part in one of the most rewarding aspects of the hobby.
I've seen a few channels cover basics pretty well, but the problem is that content already exists and rarely does anyone have anything meaningful to add to it so it doesn't attract a continued viewerbase and thus the channel dies or usually starts with the clickbait bullshit.

A channel that comes to mind that tried to keep with basics and failed, would be Doctor Faust's Painting Clinic.
You can see that his channel was doing pretty decent... 10 years ago and then it basically died. He still posts videos, but no one wants to watch it. There's only so many times someone is going to be willing to watch someone show you how to thin paint, do glazing, paint eyes, etc.

Kujo Painting is another channel that comes to mind, that never took off and hasn't posted in months now(not surprising)
Apparently people took issue with some of his jokes in videos and complained about them rather than focusing on the real content itself from what I recall.

Hilariously while the slapchop shit content gets the views, what most of them aren't actually showing is
a: They never actually paint entire armies anyway(this is also a thing with channels where they love to show spending 37 hours on every single individual fucking space marine)
b: They don't show the 2-4 hours of fixing the fuckups with the slapchop shit to correct mistakes making the entire thing a waste of time if you're doing anything that isn't mostly organic(shit like tyranids, kroot, stuff like that) where you'd never be concerned about bleedover from eye lenses/cables/holsters/whatever onto another surface anyway

Zumikito actually covers the slapchop crap well(as in truthfully), but he's also a retard who throws tantrums when he doesn't win painting competitions, bitching about how many hundreds of hours he put into what amounts to good work but not good enough to win a GD. But he also doesn't focus on the basics, because the basics haven't changed in years and there's just no point. https://www.youtube.com/@Zumikito/videos

Marco Frisoni as mentioned doesn't do basics, but he shows how advanced techniques can actually be done in an amount of time anyone could call quick.

Everyone knows the "thin you paints" mantra, but even something as fundamental as thinning your paints doesn't come naturally and it is something that comes with it's own set of nuances. Paints thin differently depending on the pigments used and their density, some paints are more prone to chalking when thinned, different manufacturers use different mediums which adds another layer of complexity to it etc. Sure, you could just blunder through it and use trial and error, but knowing what to look out for would stop a lot of disappointment and stripped models.
And this is a key problem with videos about thinning paints. People love to mention "thin your paints till they're the consistency of milk" no one on the fucking planet is familiar with moving around milk with a brush on a palette, and as you point out that's not even a good comparison if it were somehow true because it's going to vary vastly between paint brands/lines at times. Scale75 has a more gel like consistency which isn't going to thin the same as AK 3rd gen, which isn't going to thin the same as Vallejo metal color, and so on. Even beyond that, sometimes thinning paints may not even be the "correct" thing to do, and it also varies a lot based on personal preference just on how you work. Hell, here's Vince Venturella in a video about painting white discussing using unthinned heavy body acrylics on a mini

The basic information is out there and readily available(anyone trying to get into painting now is far better off than they would have been 20 years ago), but no youtube channel has anything to gain by trying to focus on it. Eventually people just need to put paint on a damned mini themselves so they can get a feel for it and understand the things that these channels discuss and show in videos.

Edit: What you probably also don't want, is an entire channel mostly dedicated to drybrushing(a basic technique that has its uses) and stippling(also has its uses) that really only exists to shill their fucking overpriced $200 sets of goat hair mop brushes you can find for $5-10 a piece easily at a real art store or even in cheap $30 sets on amazon(that also come with a cheap wood box).
 
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There's only so many times someone is going to be willing to watch someone show you how to thin paint, do glazing, paint eyes, etc.

You know what mate, maybe you're right. I might just be yelling at clouds. I think I might just have YT fatigue. Its something that has been front and centre in my brain this past couple of weeks after trying to correct some of my friends' mistakes. They've been big RPG players for years, but never really shown an interest in miniatures at all until the past year or so when we started playing a lot of RT.

Whenever I've said "oh just look on YouTube" they've all expressed the same sentiment; they can't find anything. They're not retards/boomers and I've seen them pulling up searches on their phones in the pub. They see the same gash that I do. Thinking about it now that you've mentioned some absolute gems (Dr Faust in particular, fucking love that guy) it makes me wonder whether all of this knowledge is just buried under a pile of shit.

You've got almost identical tastes to me when it comes to YT channels (I'm subbed to every one you've mentioned) so maybe its just a case of me pointing them to specifics. This opens up a can of worms when it comes to how the algorithm functions though, because its definitely the shit that rises to the top. My home tab is a cavalcade of soy faces, Army Painter sets and slopchop (Squidmar is disqualified as he's the Mr Beast of miniature painting).
 
You've got almost identical tastes to me when it comes to YT channels (I'm subbed to every one you've mentioned) so maybe its just a case of me pointing them to specifics. This opens up a can of worms when it comes to how the algorithm functions though, because its definitely the shit that rises to the top. My home tab is a cavalcade of soy faces, Army Painter sets and slopchop (Squidmar is disqualified as he's the Mr Beast of miniature painting).
Squidmar is... I don't even know what the fuck to call his channel these days. Ever since they started painting titans for the dioramas and milking them for 20+ videos it became a spectacle channel and honestly not even a very good one. He does know how to paint and so does the guy with glasses on his channel so they're not at risk yet of becoming the painting equivalent of Linus Tech Tips but I can only assume at this point their target audience is people who want to see other people discuss painting(like Miniac) rather than actually learning anything about painting.

Generally if I come across someone who is looking for basics, I point them at Vince Venturella's beginner guides playlist and state they can just look up specific shit on his channel from there(want to paint a cloak, he's got videos on that. leather boots? he's got videos on that, just want to learn about painting green, has a video on that), and people tend to do just fine without the algorithm trying to blast them in the face with cringe content just trying to get watch time. But at the end of the day people can watch 300 hours of video and not learn a damned thing if they never put paint on a mini and get over the fact that if they really honestly "screw it up" with just paint, they can just strip the damned thing, dry it off, and try again.
 
I don't even know what the fuck to call his channel these days.
Its only a matter of time before he kidnaps a bunch of artists from Fiverr and fits them with shock collars.

Yeah, Vince is probably the best shout. There is very little that he hasn't covered over the years. He's one of the minority that can cover OSL without it looking like ass.
 
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All they had was enamel spray for radiators.
have you never seen a radiator before? that should tell you everything what to expect.

The rest of the model was a mess. Visible brush strokes, pooling and blobbing everywhere, and removing or moving said pools resulted in more visible brush lines. Maybe I was using it too thick (everything online says to use speed/contrast paints neat from the bottle), as these splotches and brush marks overpower any benefit from zenithal. Another problem was, while the recesses looked good at times, the "highlights" often looked like white with a mild stain where paint has slid off. Watering the paint down even slightly results in this being even worse. Multiple coats results in the blobing and visible brush marks issue.
1.0 or 2.0? the former isn't old enough so there are probably still a few bottles around. 1.0 sometimes had the issue of reacting with the primer, especially if it wasn't fully dry (iirc that was partly on purpose for more flexibility, but not how most people used it). otherwise in general it depends on the primer, assuming the paint itself was ok.

it makes me wonder whether all of this knowledge is just buried under a pile of shit.
without going into a tangent about monetization and algorithms, that's just what it is. you either got people playing the YT game, means shitting out endless videos with loads of padding and other nonsense to get shilled via the recommended tab and for dat admoney, or some dude just wanting to talk about paints with double-digit viewers getting drowned out by the background noise.

at this point it might be unironically more efficient to just go text based and ask somewhere, or hope your search machine of choice has the very same discussion that happened thousands of times over the last few decades indexed somewhere remotely close and not on page 43.
 
I'm no expert, but I've accumulated enough knowledge over the years to know that there are huge gaps out there. Simple shit like how to thin paint properly for the type of application you're using it for, how to apply it based on what you're trying to achieve, what techniques to use at each stage etc. The scale modelling channels seem to have this covered, but most miniature painting channels are either trying to hawk the latest paint or are just a self-congratulatory wankfest. There is a bunch of stuff that is just assumed and people wonder why they can't re-create what they see on screen, get disappointed and ultimately feel less inclined to take part in one of the most rewarding aspects of the hobby.
Go for it but make sure to scream racial slows randomly
 
Go for it but make sure to scream racial slows randomly
Or paint them on, I dunno about you but several of the Traitor Legions are to me, the type to drop gamer vernacular on occasion.

Sons of Horus are actual gangland trash so that’s a given, EC alternate between aristocrats and Southern plantation owners so that’s obvious, Iron Warriors are autistic, World Eaters are niggers, Death Guard are actually in-universe racist, Night Lords are gang-trash emos so that counts in my book, Word Bearers were arabs before the Chaos Gods wisely blessed them with pale white skin, Thousand Sons are in the same boat as the WB and Alpha Legion are apparently just the Farms.

Moral of the story, if painting ever gets frustrating, just paint nigger onto the flat part of a chainsword, cheers me up everytime. Plus it’s good practice for freehand.
 
World Eaters are niggers, Word Bearers were arabs before the Chaos Gods wisely blessed them with pale white skin, Thousand Sons are in the same boat as the WB
I'm so racist I dont have dark skin tone paints. Darkest I own is Bugman's Glow in case I want to do a Mediterranean look and I cant imagine wanting to really do that. Normally I dont go darker than a Cadian or very thin Guilliman Flesh over White Scar.

So I guess I can never collect those legions...
 
This man is a faggot, why did you post this?

No, 40k doesn't have anything to do with the divide of modern politics. Nor does it have anything to do with a "post 9/11 world". At the end of the day it's an IP and game where the factions need reasons to be constantly fighting eachother, including infighting within their own factions. That's it. The farsight enclaves breaking off from the rest of the Tau don't have anything to do with trump, 9/11, or anything the fuck else. Neither does Imotekh basically wanting a civil war with The Silent King. Or any reason space marines might have to get into a slap fight with the inquisition, or whatever.

Hell, he doesn't even get the lore right about admech claiming they don't know how anything works, it's not entirely true plenty of them do know how shit works it's just all so old no one wants to risk breaking anything because they can't just go get replacements(this is an issue for anyone in a field where they encounter old essential infrastructure from power grid shit, to IT, or even plumbing in some circumstances).
 
This man is a faggot, why did you post this?

No, 40k doesn't have anything to do with the divide of modern politics. Nor does it have anything to do with a "post 9/11 world". At the end of the day it's an IP and game where the factions need reasons to be constantly fighting eachother, including infighting within their own factions. That's it. The farsight enclaves breaking off from the rest of the Tau don't have anything to do with trump, 9/11, or anything the fuck else. Neither does Imotekh basically wanting a civil war with The Silent King. Or any reason space marines might have to get into a slap fight with the inquisition, or whatever.

Hell, he doesn't even get the lore right about admech claiming they don't know how anything works, it's not entirely true plenty of them do know how shit works it's just all so old no one wants to risk breaking anything because they can't just go get replacements(this is an issue for anyone in a field where they encounter old essential infrastructure from power grid shit, to IT, or even plumbing in some circumstances).
That’s why I called him gay, it’s a gay video you see.
 
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