Warhammer 40k

[daniel day]

That’s why I called him gay, it’s a gay video you see.

He's being gay? In the video?

Bugman's Glow

How the fuck does GW get away with BUGMAN'S GLOW in current year, but gets shit for not having tranny space marines or female what-the-fuck ever. It's even used as a skin tone. GW tapping into their chink-hating genes confirmed?

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

The rest of the model was a mess. Visible brush strokes, pooling and blobbing everywhere, and removing or moving said pools resulted in more visible brush lines. Maybe I was using it too thick (everything online says to use speed/contrast paints neat from the bottle), as these splotches and brush marks overpower any benefit from zenithal. Another problem was, while the recesses looked good at times, the "highlights" often looked like white with a mild stain where paint has slid off. Watering the paint down even slightly results in this being even worse. Multiple coats results in the blobing and visible brush marks issue.

This has been my experience with speed paint. My first experience was on a kroot model. This is probably the ideal use case for it. I slapped it on with no regard and honestly' couldn't be happier with the results. I tried it on some Fire Warriors to see if it would help with shading and it was awful. Speed paint cannot be used on Tau helmets, I'm convinced. I had all the same issues of brush strokes, pooling, and paint drying faster than I could adjust it even though I was globbing it on. One video said the solution to brush strokes was actually more paint. Fill up your brush with extra paint and apply thick. Since it's already so thin it wont clog detail and take longer to dry so you have more time to soak up pools. This honestly didn't help very much and also greatly affected the final color. I feel like the only way to use contrast is when you can confidently slap it on and be ok with never touching it again once it hits the model.

And this is a key problem with videos about thinning paints. People love to mention "thin your paints till they're the consistency of milk" no one on the fucking planet is familiar with moving around milk with a brush on a palette, and as you point out that's not even a good comparison if it were somehow true because it's going to vary vastly between paint brands/lines at times.

I still can't thin my paints correctly. Like I know give or take where I need to be but my white paint thins differently from blue, which thins differently from black. I have a rough idea of what it should look like on a palette and it's definitely not milk. Milk is nearly the consistency of water, that's way too fucking thin. But for some reason absolutely everyone says this.

Brushstroke Painting Guides https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBDVPoNXyVI has a really popular video on thinning your paints and explains it the best way I've heard so far. You want your paint to just barely pull back on itself when you run your brush through it on the pallet. This is something people can actually objectively see and will generally catch all unless you're trying to do something specific. The problem with this video is the actual answer is only one small part of a 20 minute video.

Everything else feels like they do they opposite and skip the parts that really matter. Yes we're told to we can clean up any mistakes, or we're told we need to do X because Y, but it's never shown. I want to know how these professional painters are painting the chest of fully assembled models that are holding a rifle in front of them. Or how the hell are you painting the inside of a cape after you've glued it on and your model's legs are blocking any kind of brush from getting in? I know most of that is skipped for the sake of time, but it's like drawing the rest of the fucking owl when they say "now we're just going to paint everything in white" and it skips ahead to perfect crisp edges, smooth as silk, and every detail covered. There aren't enough videos showing how to fix mistakes. It only assumes you were able to follow along perfectly. They also don't show why a step might be important. If you want me to paint the same area in 8 different layers of color it'd be helpful to show what a model looks like without so we have a better idea of why it's important.

I think for someone trying to learn the amount of tutorials is overwhelming. If you're just starting out, the old beginner tutorials get lost in the weeds of the more advanced techniques. Yeah there's only so many times someone can make a video on how to apply a base paint or primer, but beginners still need those. The older those videos get the hardest it is to find them. Search algorithms are always going to favor something new.

"post 9/11 world"

Post 9/11 and post covid are so fucking gay and retarded it makes me want to chimp the fuck out. It's like white girl speak, over dramatizing how much it changed the world. There is maybe a brief period of time immediately after an event where that might be acceptable, but you wouldn't say we live in a post-WWII or a post-Fall of Rome era. You get maybe a few years at most and then you need to shut the fuck up. Covid honestly changed fucking nothing once the lockdowns lifted but people still act like everything is different.

 

[p1138]

I still can't thin my paints correctly. Like I know give or take where I need to be but my white paint thins differently from blue, which thins differently from black. I have a rough idea of what it should look like on a palette and it's definitely not milk. Milk is nearly the consistency of water, that's way too fucking thin. But for some reason absolutely everyone says this.

Brushstroke Painting Guides https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBDVPoNXyVI has a really popular video on thinning your paints and explains it the best way I've heard so far. You want your paint to just barely pull back on itself when you run your brush through it on the pallet. This is something people can actually objectively see and will generally catch all unless you're trying to do something specific. The problem with this video is the actual answer is only one small part of a 20 minute video.

I've seen that particular video before, and it is a good video but he also makes a point at the beginning that its repetition. I believe he also says at some point that it still boils down to needing to actually just try it. I think that's where a lot of people fall into the weeds(aside from useful beginner videos being buried under bullshit) is people seem to get stuck in a mentality of feeling like they can just continue to absorb information and hit some magical point where they can paint well. What they fail to realize(or some people just don't tell them) is that these guys they're watching have been painting for 20-30 years, or they paint 40-60 hours a week for the past 5 years.

Everything else feels like they do they opposite and skip the parts that really matter. Yes we're told to we can clean up any mistakes, or we're told we need to do X because Y, but it's never shown. I want to know how these professional painters are painting the chest of fully assembled models that are holding a rifle in front of them. Or how the hell are you painting the inside of a cape after you've glued it on and your model's legs are blocking any kind of brush from getting in? I know most of that is skipped for the sake of time, but it's like drawing the rest of the fucking owl when they say "now we're just going to paint everything in white" and it skips ahead to perfect crisp edges, smooth as silk, and every detail covered. There aren't enough videos showing how to fix mistakes. It only assumes you were able to follow along perfectly. They also don't show why a step might be important. If you want me to paint the same area in 8 different layers of color it'd be helpful to show what a model looks like without so we have a better idea of why it's important.

With this I think there's multiple issues going on here as well. Yes a lot of people just do a "and draw the rest of the fucking owl" But they do sometimes mention what they're doing, the problem is a new painter doesn't know to listen to the terminology being stated or what to look for. Using your example, the obvious answer is "subassemblies" but a new painter doesn't know wtf a subassembly is, and I've seen some new painters learn about the concept and then believe they need to paint every part individually. What they may not notice is that parts aren't attached quite right, because they're stuck in place with bluetack or some equivalent in the middle of the painting process so it's not obvious the painter is using a subassembly.

Looking like an idiot with an earlobe you could put a fist through aside, she actually does point out the downsides to trying to just use makeup sponges as a magic tool, and then also shows later on that because she can't get everywhere with them, has to use subassemblies and visibly shows that she's doing it. That would actually clue in someone new that there is another thing for them to learn about in another video.

Oh look at that, a video about subassemblies, including pros and cons and telling people not to go overboard. But then she also shows priming on the sprue like a fucking psychopath, nobody is perfect.

edit: And of course people like us who have a library of painting videos and creators who are worth a shit in our heads, someone new doesn't have this info to sift through the bullshit and just avoid Ninjon or someone equally ridiculous if they're new. But we can still get them pointed in a decent direction.

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

But then she also shows priming on the sprue like a fucking psychopath, nobody is perfect.

I've tried this once and I feel like it's not always the worst idea, but there are better ways. It's really only useful if you are too lazy to pin or tack your parts to a little wood handle, or want to do it in batches. I did immediately feel stupid because I forgot to remove the mold lines before priming. But otherwise it sort of did the trick. I gave me something big to hold while painting fine detail, and then all I'd need to do is sand the little area I needed to glue. I give it a meh/10.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Update on the speedpaint situation. Reprimed and tried again (this time without the enamel). Got far better results this time. More or less working as advertised with a few caviats.

The marine looked pretty good, on par, if not slightly better than a traditional acrylic + wash job.

The guard fared worse. The clothes were okay, but the lasgun was a complete mess. It really doesn't do flat panels well (which I expected). I'm not sure if I spend the money on real white spray to make it work.

One bit of advice I've not seen elsewhere, get a set of panels done at once (eg. A space marines leg from the knee down) as seams in the paint are obvious.

My opinion on speedpaints so far is meh. They aren't really the "one coat solution!" that people hype them up as. All it does is move the work to other parts of the process. Maybe I'd feel different with a proper zenathol or an airbrush, or if I was batch painting a large army. What I mean is. Instead of base, wash, highlight. It's wash, base, highlight.

At present, I'm leaning towards traditional paints + panel liner for marines. I don't mind the sharp, clean look. But again, this is all just more and more money. For guard, base colour spray + paint the key details + wash.


I'm tempted to do sisters of battle painted in armour colours from an old anime I like, but the kill team box is sold out and a tac squad costs about the same as a kill team. I'm also thinking of reviving my old Tau army and make the guard a tau auxiliary force instead. So many potential ideas.

No, 40k doesn't have anything to do with the divide of modern politics. Nor does it have anything to do with a "post 9/11 world". At the end of the day it's an IP and game where the factions need reasons to be constantly fighting eachother, including infighting within their own factions. That's it. The farsight enclaves breaking off from the rest of the Tau don't have anything to do with trump, 9/11, or anything the fuck else. Neither does Imotekh basically wanting a civil war with The Silent King. Or any reason space marines might have to get into a slap fight with the inquisition, or whatever.

It's almost as if early 40k was made by history nerds, and a lot of this shit has happened before.

Post 9/11 and post covid are so fucking gay and retarded it makes me want to chimp the fuck out. It's like white girl speak, over dramatizing how much it changed the world.

I assumed it was an American thing. The obsession with 911 in particular was grating. I still remember the London bombings, and Americans on the internet being mad that it was discussed with the same tone as 911. Even a decade after and 911 is still a verboten topic and the source of "edgy" jokes. Even World War 2 had jokes and parodies 20 years after the fact, and was used in popular media before that.

 

[Humble Architect]

So that awful Eightbound army box sold out, very funny. It was literally just the two unwanted units in the WE range, lame possessed and lame cultists, with the Eightbound Lord in a range that still doesn’t have a basic Chaos Lord and cannot field the WH+ Termie Lord, that’s all very amusing because EC got a better launch range.

Eightbound are funny because the design isn’t bad on it’s own, it’s just bad as WE Possessed, this right here is what a Khorne possessed should look like.

That’s fucking metal.

The Eightbound design would’ve been better off ironically as EC Terata,

Might do it once I’ve caught up on the grey tide.

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

I assumed it was an American thing. The obsession with 911 in particular was grating. I still remember the London bombings, and Americans on the internet being mad that it was discussed with the same tone as 911. Even a decade after and 911 is still a verboten topic and the source of "edgy" jokes. Even World War 2 had jokes and parodies 20 years after the fact, and was used in popular media before that.

The biggest change post 9/11 is dealing with airport security and the patriot act. But those aren't the kind of things people bring up when talking about a post-9/11 world. It's always about some vibe shift that they can't actually express. It's meaningless. And 9/11 has gotten old enough now that the current generation wasn't even born during that time. Plus everyone fucking hates America for different reasons. Patriotism gets frowned upon because so much of our elite is trying to liquidate America, and would really prefer it if you cut of your dick and died instead. Though to be fair, the 9/11 attacks were way more fatal than London. 9/11 you're talking thousands dead instead of I think less than a hundred. Still both tragedies but not quite the same scale. I'm so glad though we learned nothing and started importing more muslims into our countries. Suffer not the alien to live.

 

[p1138]

My opinion on speedpaints so far is meh. They aren't really the "one coat solution!" that people hype them up as. All it does is move the work to other parts of the process. Maybe I'd feel different with a proper zenathol or an airbrush, or if I was batch painting a large army. What I mean is. Instead of base, wash, highlight. It's wash, base, highlight.

At present, I'm leaning towards traditional paints + panel liner for marines. I don't mind the sharp, clean look. But again, this is all just more and more money. For guard, base colour spray + paint the key details + wash.

They definitely do just shift work around if you try and slapchop a mini with them. But hair, holsters, belts, pelts on characters, works great for shit like that in one go so long as you aren't slopping about applying your paint.

 

[augment]

Ah fuck it. I'll double-post, because this shit grinds my gears...

Why are there no YT channels out there that teach people the fundamentals of miniature painting? The only one that comes close is Vince Venturella (pbuh). I've been half-tempted to make some videos myself, because if you're just coming into the hobby and/or going beyond the absolute basics your options are i) watch somebody paint a Golden Daemon winner or ii) some variation of slopchop/how to paint a 2000pt army in five minutes.

I'm no expert, but I've accumulated enough knowledge over the years to know that there are huge gaps out there. Simple shit like how to thin paint properly for the type of application you're using it for, how to apply it based on what you're trying to achieve, what techniques to use at each stage etc. The scale modelling channels seem to have this covered, but most miniature painting channels are either trying to hawk the latest paint or are just a self-congratulatory wankfest. There is a bunch of stuff that is just assumed and people wonder why they can't re-create what they see on screen, get disappointed and ultimately feel less inclined to take part in one of the most rewarding aspects of the hobby.

Just go ahead and do it. The current state of youtube is a wasteland of SEO abuse and recycled topics. Two years ago everyone sang praises of scalecolor75's range. Then kimera came along and SC75 became "too gel like, too difficult for beginners (source: trust me bro), too chalky". Then kimera turned out to be 20% good colors and a varying smorgasbord of bad quality to mediocre. Currently pro-acryl is hardcore sponsoring all of these painting "personalities".
Like you mention there are abyssal gaps in tutorial videos where the start of a procedure is mentioned but never explained or shown (or typically paywalled to patreon)
If I wasn't so paranoid about opsec I would start my own shitty youtube channel with painting procedures using commonly available paints and taking my sweet ass time as to allow viewers to follow along.
Spread your wash, but then here's how we wrangle those pigment pools to avoid coffee stains, dilute a mix for airbrush but here's the ratio of flow improver we add and the distance from the model to avoid splutter marks or spiderwebs; Let's paint a whole unit of 5 models using 3 colors and learn to gloss coat and pin wash with oils, like the big boys. Here's a complete list of alternative paints that are equal or better than citadel so you can stop overpaying for paint. The idea pool seems endless.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I just finished the two novels where those they them characters and Oh my God Oh God awful one they're not even interesting gabe Thorpe is an aggressively mediocre writer like seriously I don't know how Continuously allowed to wait for them he is really not particularly talented as a writer.

dan Abnett I've never just stopped reading one of his books I mean yeah there's a lot of things you can criticize his writing style for but at least it's actually fun.




Also Mike Brooks made orcs unlikable seriously if anybody should be immediately fired from GW it's Mike Brooks the guy literally has genuine Sargon's derangement syndrome.

Actually read the book where he puts him into the novel how much of an unprofessional fag do you have to do to put your own personal political grudges into a contracted novel that you're being paid by a company to write.

Like his Twitter's just nonstop seething at a fat minor political figure in Great Britain he also looks like a **** and his writing style is basically repeating himself over and over and over again and thinking he's smarter than he actually is.

The infinite divine is a great book though it's basically Spy versus spy with nekrons.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Though to be fair, the 9/11 attacks were way more fatal than London. 9/11 you're talking thousands dead instead of I think less than a hundred. Still both tragedies but not quite the same scale.

That was part of it. The UK wasn't allowed to treat it as tragic because USA was still trying to play up 911 (which was years ago at the time of the attack) as the only thing that mattered.

These days we have a name for it. Oppression olympics. Your suffering doesn't matter because theoretically someone, somewhere, at some point, suffered more.

But hair, holsters, belts, pelts on characters, works great for shit like that in one go so long as you aren't slopping about applying your paint.

I'll keep that in mind then. I'm mostly after a way of doing the clothing better (faces/skin I have kind of sorted).

 

[Memerson]

I just finished the two novels where those they them characters and Oh my God Oh God awful one they're not even interesting gabe Thorpe is an aggressively mediocre writer like seriously I don't know how Continuously allowed to wait for them he is really not particularly talented as a writer.

dan Abnett I've never just stopped reading one of his books I mean yeah there's a lot of things you can criticize his writing style for but at least it's actually fun.




Also Mike Brooks made orcs unlikable seriously if anybody should be immediately fired from GW it's Mike Brooks the guy literally has genuine Sargon's derangement syndrome.

Actually read the book where he puts him into the novel how much of an unprofessional fag do you have to do to put your own personal political grudges into a contracted novel that you're being paid by a company to write.

Like his Twitter's just nonstop seething at a fat minor political figure in Great Britain he also looks like a **** and his writing style is basically repeating himself over and over and over again and thinking he's smarter than he actually is.

The infinite divine is a great book though it's basically Spy versus spy with nekrons.

Phil Kelly has been in charge of the Farsight Novels and they have been pretty hit or miss, he wrote one for shadowsun as well it was ok.

I just hope if they ever give Kais his own standalone novel that they give a different writer a chance.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

The new Fulgrim novel was pretty decent, but I got a tad salty at the parts where they were throwing cultists and Venomcrawlers at the Imperials when we don't get them on the tabletop.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

No, 40k doesn't have anything to do with the divide of modern politics.

Sometimes I like to think that tumblr exodus was basically the birth of Slaanesh

 

[Humble Architect]

The new Fulgrim novel was pretty decent, but I got a tad salty at the parts where they were throwing cultists and Venomcrawlers at the Imperials when we don't get them on the tabletop.

Yeah it was a great Black Templar book.

Dorn getting hyped as the Black Templar primarch as opposed the pissboi primarch is pretty cool ngl and makes sense since the Templars are one of the main chapters alongside the Ultras, DA, BA and queers.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Perhaps I'm being a bit alarmist here, but...

Is this not an horrendous fucking fire hazard? The propellents in spray paints are highly inflammable, Guy, you fucking mongoloid. You can even see the fire hazard symbol on some of the cans in the video! Stores that sell stuff like that store them in special flame proof cabinets. You, on the other hand, have just strapped 48 of them, right next to eachother, over a door which is presumably your only exit to the room you're in. That's going to go up like a fucking rocket in the event of a fire and trap you inside.

I can't believe he so blithely and thoughtlessly recommends this 'cool, space-saving hobby hack' to his hundreds of thousands of subscribers, seemingly with no thought whatsoever as to what a terrible, potentially really fucking dangerous idea this is.

 

[Mr Clark]

The new Fulgrim novel was pretty decent, but I got a tad salty at the parts where they were throwing cultists and Venomcrawlers at the Imperials when we don't get them on the tabletop.

They will expand the range over time for sure. They probably dont want to dump 30 models at once so they can keep hype. Army box and conbat patrol look solid imo for a start. By the time its all built and painted theyll be at least 1 new unit imo.

Yeah it was a great Black Templar book.

Dorn getting hyped as the Black Templar primarch as opposed the pissboi primarch is pretty cool ngl and makes sense since the Templars are one of the main chapters alongside the Ultras, DA, BA and queers.

Does Dorn come back a calmer more stoic man and go IF (fortify the Imperium) or go all in on his rage and go BT (cause more trouble than he's worth)?

Honestly, both are great options and I hope hes available for both armies. Dorn and unique IF units only thing holding me back from painting yellow.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

They will expand the range over time for sure. They probably dont want to dump 30 models at once so they can keep hype. Army box and conbat patrol look solid imo for a start. By the time its all built and painted theyll be at least 1 new unit imo.

Cultists and Venomcrawlers are already available, they just chose to leave them out of the EC codex and not even give them a cultist equivalent like the other god-aligned Legions have (Jakhals, Poxwalkers, Tzaangors). I'm sure they'll give us something new eventually, but I'm just disappointed by their decision to leave so much out in the first place, especially since World Eaters and Death Guard apparently still get access to Predators, Defilers, Forgefiends, and Helbrutes.

 

[p1138]

Perhaps I'm being a bit alarmist here, but...

Household Fire Safety with Midwit Minis.mp4

Is this not an horrendous fucking fire hazard? The propellents in spray paints are highly inflammable, Guy, you fucking mongoloid. You can even see the fire hazard symbol on some of the cans in the video! Stores that sell stuff like that store them in special flame proof cabinets. You, on the other hand, have just strapped 48 of them, right next to eachother, over a door which is presumably your only exit to the room you're in. That's going to go up like a fucking rocket in the event of a fire and trap you inside.

I can't believe he so blithely and thoughtlessly recommends this 'cool, space-saving hobby hack' to his hundreds of thousands of subscribers, seemingly with no thought whatsoever as to what a terrible, potentially really fucking dangerous idea this is.

Yes you're being an alarmist. I've never seen a store keep spraypaint, including hardware stores, in fireproof cabinets. Theft proof cabinets yes. Nevermind how much other flammable product at a store is not kept in flameproof containers even when stored in bulk.

That's how it's normally stored at a hardware store, keeps retards from stealing it to vandalize shit or get high. Nothing fireproof about that, it's just a metal grate door in front of some shelves. And certainly no hobby store is going to bother. Hell, here's a display from a Blick art store for Montana brand spray paint. Same thing, it's just a security cabinet, nothing fire resistant, and there's plenty of other things that are easily flammable in art and hardware stores.


Now why this idiot needs to keep 48 cans of spraypaint/primer/varnish nearby, I have no idea.

edit: and just to prove my point, here's how propane tanks are normally stored at a convience store, hardware store, gas station, etc.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Dorn getting hyped as the Black Templar primarch as opposed the pissboi primarch is pretty cool ngl and makes sense since the Templars are one of the main chapters alongside the Ultras, DA, BA and queers.

Which are the queers?

The new Fulgrim novel was pretty decent, but I got a tad salty at the parts where they were throwing cultists and Venomcrawlers at the Imperials when we don't get them on the tabletop.

What do you mean? There's no rules for chaos cultists? What about running IG as traitor guard?