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Newcomer 42 said:
Khorne hates magic and Tzeench because Slaanesh didn't exist at first, which is why it's odd for the god of war to hate TWO different aspects of chaos, and at the same time represent war and yet abhor cunning tactics (well, he doesn't exactly abhor them, but most Khornate followers inevitably become berserkers).
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I think the distinction is that tactics are fine, but he hates someone who isn't willing to put themself on the line. Khorne may outmaneuver you, fight with advantage, and attack weaker targets, but Tzeentch wont even be on the battlefield. He wont even be on the planet. Or is he? He'll have agents do his dirty work for him, or fight in such a way that there isn't even a battle. Tzeentch might conquer a planet by making it a puppet state, or poisoning your water. He'll do anything but actually get into a real fight which is bullshit. If your hand wasn't the one holding the blade it doesn't count.
Neveragain69 said:
OP was even in the comments talking about how they thought the Emperor would be an iconoclast, "work with the xenos and the warp and everything will be okay" type.
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The Emperor was an iconoclast though. An iconoclast is anyone who wants to destroy tradition or the old ways. He's tearing down statues to old religions and telling everyone it's fake and gay. Independent systems or federated planets? Nah fuck that we're painting the map gold. The interex have a long standing mutual respect and cooperation with an allied alien species? Not any more.
 
Spilled Spaghett said:
The Emperor was an iconoclast though. An iconoclast is anyone who wants to destroy tradition or the old ways. He's tearing down statues to old religions and telling everyone it's fake and gay. Independent systems or federated planets? Nah fuck that we're painting the map gold. The interex have a long standing mutual respect and cooperation with an allied alien species? Not any more.
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I think the distinction is that dumb redditors are claiming the emperor would be an iconoclast compared to the current state of the imperium... which is correct. However they're also retarded and don't understand the state of the imperium prior to the heresy either. If the emperor hadn't gotten stuck on the throne, the current state of the imperium wouldn't exist so the emperor wouldn't be an iconoclast by the time 40k rolls around as his ways would have become the old ways already.
 
Humble Architect said:
My legion of course wisely realized the war was lost and didn’t even bother (this is their actual justification post-Heresy) with the Cthonian Failure.
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Not being a fan of the only loyal legion to the emperor, the Alpha Legion, their only loyalty is to the Emperor in humanity, though on a super secret mission for the emperor. Or, more likely, Dan Abnett ruined the Alpha Legion so much that he can never write any good stories about them.
They really should bring back the Illuminati, though that was a super cool idea. A group of people walking behind the scenes who let demons possess them and then force them out, making them basically immune possession.
 
How much of chaos does the average citizen of the 41st millennium Imperium know? I guess not very much, other than there is this vaguely defined "chaos" that one must avoid.

So I guess the average citizen may even be aware the Immaterium is there and is most likely completely ignorant of the Ruinous Powers.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
How much of chaos does the average citizen of the 41st millennium Imperium know? I guess not very much, other than there is this vaguely defined "chaos" that one must avoid.

So I guess the average citizen may even be aware the Immaterium is there and is most likely completely ignorant of the Ruinous Powers.
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Considering that the grey knights only recently sometimes stopped mind wiping and purging populations(they still do it), the inquisition still mind wipes and purges populations, most space marines don't care about collateral damage, PDFs are just going to be collateral damage, and guard regiments will get purged and mind wiped on occasion...

Odds are if an imperial citizen knows more than just that "the ruinous powers" exist, they're probably already in service to chaos if they aren't in one of the above groups(or they're a sanctioned psyker, or ranking admech member, or heavily involved in government or some other kind of nobility). It's the entire basis of the problem with the emperor keeping it vague and mostly unexplained in the first place, to show that people can easily be led astray without even having to be influenced directly by an agent of the ruinous powers in the first place, and thus faith in the emperor is required at all times.

The average imperial citizen even seeing a chaos daemon probably won't live more than the next few seconds either due to the demon killing it, someone killing them to try and kill the demon, themselves just going insane, or their heads simply exploding or some other equivalent.

Basically the average imperial citizen would know fuck all about chaos other than MAYBE to report suspicious activity to the local arbites, inquisitorial office, or ministorum representative. It's no different than the average imperial citizen knowing that the filthy xenos exist, but beyond maybe orks will probably never encounter one or be able to provide a description of one. Even the existence of the necrons was considered an inquisitorial secret even from the imperial guard until late in m41.
 
p1138 said:
Basically the average imperial citizen would know fuck all about chaos other than MAYBE to report suspicious activity to the local arbites, inquisitorial office, or ministorum representative. It's no different than the average imperial citizen knowing that the filthy xenos exist, but beyond maybe orks will probably never encounter one or be able to provide a description of one. Even the existence of the necrons was considered an inquisitorial secret even from the imperial guard until late in m41.
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I like how this leads to funny scenarios like in Infinite and Divine where Trazyn ended up being worshipped by humans thinking he was one of the Emperor’s Angels being sent to save humanity.
 
Spilled Spaghett said:
The Emperor was an iconoclast though. An iconoclast is anyone who wants to destroy tradition or the old ways. He's tearing down statues to old religions and telling everyone it's fake and gay. Independent systems or federated planets? Nah fuck that we're painting the map gold. The interex have a long standing mutual respect and cooperation with an allied alien species? Not any more.
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A thing people forgot is that the reason why the Emprah had these beliefs is because the entire solar system of Terra used to be plagued by bloodthirsty aliens, evil cults, or both, so it's no surprise they had these beliefs for a long time, and later reinforced when Emprah was killed by an evil cult. If the Imperium had a friendly xenos ally from the start, things wouldn't have been the same (and they did during the Federation days, but IIRC later editions retconned the Dark Age of Tech by making it like the Imperium but worse, derp).
 
Space Marine 2 is releasing modding tools. Apparently console will get mods by joining modded servers


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Newcomer 42 said:
A thing people forgot is that the reason why the Emprah had these beliefs is because the entire solar system of Terra used to be plagued by bloodthirsty aliens, evil cults, or both, so it's no surprise they had these beliefs for a long time, and later reinforced when Emprah was killed by an evil cult. If the Imperium had a friendly xenos ally from the start, things wouldn't have been the same (and they did during the Federation days, but IIRC later editions retconned the Dark Age of Tech by making it like the Imperium but worse, derp).
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I never understood the idea of xenos being in any way dependable and The Imperium having any advantage to allying with them that doesn't run a massive risk of betrayal that will cripple it.

The most frequent example of potential ally that people give are the Eldar. But humans already have the psyker abilities and Eldar had literal millenias of fucking them over even before the Great Crusade.
 
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Warcom already posted the new chaos knight this morning so that's whatever. The new drop pod is confirmed to be molded to take up a fuck ton of space since the doors can't flip up(and likely don't have anything on the back side). More importantly, apparently there's a new bookstore board game tie in for Dawn of War, which doesn't have anything to be a tie in for unless there is a new one being announced during GW's "Skulls" video game announcement thing that's usually last week of May or first week of June.

Maybe this time we won't have terminators doing fucking flips and cartwheels and shit.
 
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Warcom already posted the new chaos knight this morning so that's whatever. The new drop pod is confirmed to be molded to take up a fuck ton of space since the doors can't flip up(and likely don't have anything on the back side). More importantly, apparently there's a new bookstore board game tie in for Dawn of War, which doesn't have anything to be a tie in for unless there is a new one being announced during GW's "Skulls" video game announcement thing that's usually last week of May or first week of June.

Maybe this time we won't have terminators doing fucking flips and cartwheels and shit.
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I’d kill for a new DoW (with base building) even though it seems highly unlikely.
 
Lady Adjani said:
I’d kill for a new DoW (with base building) even though it seems highly unlikely.
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I don't know. The entire planet made it pretty clear why everyone hated DoW 3(it obviously wasn't just the gymnast terminator) and the booklet that seems to be for this board game(they're always fucking lame, people only ever buy them for the models) doesn't have a "4" or "IV" on it that I can see in the image. If they've already got that produced, and the video game announcements are in 2-3 weeks, there's probably a chance we might see a decent one especially since Space Marine 2 proved there's money to be made by something reasonably competent with the franchise.
 
p1138 said:
I don't know. The entire planet made it pretty clear why everyone hated DoW 3(it obviously wasn't just the gymnast terminator) and the booklet that seems to be for this board game(they're always fucking lame, people only ever buy them for the models) doesn't have a "4" or "IV" on it that I can see in the image. If they've already got that produced, and the video game announcements are in 2-3 weeks, there's probably a chance we might see a decent one especially since Space Marine 2 proved there's money to be made by something reasonably competent with the franchise.
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Could be a remake of DoW 1 seeing the success of things like AoE 2 remastered.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
Khorne hates magic and Tzeench because Slaanesh didn't exist at first, which is why it's odd for the god of war to hate TWO different aspects of chaos, and at the same time represent war and yet abhor cunning tactics (well, he doesn't exactly abhor them, but most Khornate followers inevitably become berserkers).
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And that's why I like the Blood Pact: "Hey, Khorne may not care too much about where the blood flows, but if we get ourselves killed stupidly we're not going to be able to shed any more for him, creating a net loss in the overall quantity."
East_Clintwood said:
Are you trying to suggest these people are not fine allies for humanity:

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The biggest con job Eldrad ever pulled was convincing his fellow Eldar he had all the answers at all times.
p1138 said:
I don't know. The entire planet made it pretty clear why everyone hated DoW 3(it obviously wasn't just the gymnast terminator) and the booklet that seems to be for this board game(they're always fucking lame, people only ever buy them for the models) doesn't have a "4" or "IV" on it that I can see in the image. If they've already got that produced, and the video game announcements are in 2-3 weeks, there's probably a chance we might see a decent one especially since Space Marine 2 proved there's money to be made by something reasonably competent with the franchise.
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Considering this is Relic we're talking about and how they went and doubled-down on why people hated DoW 2 and CoH 2 for the next entries in both series I doubt it.
HistrionicBitch said:
Could be a remake of DoW 1 seeing the success of things like AoE 2 remastered.
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Using UE5 no doubt. Better get that monkey's paw ready no matter what though.
 
Yours Truly 2095 said:
Space Marine 2 is releasing modding tools. Apparently console will get mods by joining modded servers


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All this means is console players will get to experience larger groups and enemy spawns in Operations, IF they link up with a PC player who also happens to be using the mods. So have fun lurking discord begging for invites lul.
The console player won't have access to nor be able to see any of the other stuff that makes the mod so popular either. Which means anyone using those cosmetics, classes and new weapons ends up looking glitched as fuck as well.

Very pointless, all things considered. It is funny seeing, though, just how quickly the modding scene outpaced the devs. Never forget it took Saber half a year to let you color your lenses while the mod had it done in like a month and a half. And then saber said they didn't know people would want that feature so much :story:
 
Space Marines 2 getting mod tools will do nothing for the game. People are already moving on. Expecting your remaining community to fix your game for you is a fool's errand, but a nice enough gesture I guess. It's not a bad thing just seems pointless.

A DoW 1 remake would be hype. I still play it on occasion. The biggest loss will be no apocalypse or unification mod, but having modern matchmaking and a stable engine would still make it worth it to me.

DoW 3's biggest problems was definitely not the leaping terminators. The skull system, the lack of playable factions, and the awful balance is what killed it. I doubt a new one is in the works but who knows.
 
Spilled Spaghett said:
Space Marines 2 getting mod tools will do nothing for the game. People are already moving on. Expecting your remaining community to fix your game for you is a fool's errand, but a nice enough gesture I guess. It's not a bad thing just seems pointless.
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Sure, the game even just a couple weeks after their last "big update" is already back down to 5% of the player count again compared to launch. Game wasn't shit or anything, just had no longevity and the devs trying to artificially increase play time by making you ground xp for every class again 4 more times clearly isn't working. This is just more low effort attempts at trying to get people playing it again.

Spilled Spaghett said:
DoW 3's biggest problems was definitely not the leaping terminators. The skull system, the lack of playable factions, and the awful balance is what killed it. I doubt a new one is in the works but who knows.
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It definitely wasn't the biggest problem, but it was the most blatant one. Everything interesting about it being an RTS game was tossed in the trash and basically made it into a halfassed third person hero shooter while you had piles of units that basically just never did anything other than exist and occupy space. It's the herohammer people bitch about taken to the extreme while somehow using the increased graphics fidelity to make everything look bland as shit.
 
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