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Of all the people for him to choose to be the embodiment of religion bad, why the fuck would he not choose the primarch that spec'd all of his skill points into Knowledge (Religion)?
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Probably because he assumed that since Lorgar was spec'd for knowledge and truth, he would automatically fall in line with his plans and agree with everything he ever said ever, especially with regards to Religion Bad
That Lorgar would either....
a) Be duped by Chaos influenced religion so deeply that not even the Emperor could talk him out of it
b) Judge that Chaos influenced religion was straight up the better option for humanity than the Emperor's plans without any duping involved because of how much of an asshole the Emperor was
c) Be smart enough to realise that the Emperor was by every metric a living deity whose existence was fundamentally linked to the survival of humanity, and whose denial of his true nature and attempt to avoid his inevitable fate as an ascended god of humanity in favour of some two bit webway hijacking/fedoraposting scheme was fucking stupid and doomed to failure
d) All of the above
...never crossed his mind because of the whole existential arrogance thing. Thus he gave Lorgar plenty of chances and opportunities to see the light of why he was right about everything, before eventually snapping and pulling the Monarchia shit to shock him out of it and assuming that since Lorgar literally worshipped him and since he was programmed to find knowledge and truth (i.e. agree with him) this would be the best way of having him course correct and join his crusade against the mythical sky daddy
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Jaghatai got a concession that his planet wouldn't be touched by the imperium
Leman Russ was allowed to have Fenris keep all of it's wyrd juju superstition bullshit
Guilliman was allowed to keep Ultramar segregated as its own mini empire
Angron didn't give a shit about the society so much as the rebellion he had led and was then left to the slaughter when the emperor grabbed him, leaving him basically eternally pissed at the emperor for it.
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IIRC he was openly stated to be one of the Primarchs intended to fall in the traitor camp, indeed he was originally headed to Chemos before him and Fulgrim got switched by the Eldar Jonkler God, and everyone including the Emperor was surprised as all hell he stayed loyal during the heresy. A temporary concession on an insignificant grassland planet he was lowkey planning on Phosphex bombing or forcibly turning into a servitor factory world later down the line falls in line with this theory.
Lemon was decidedly on the Emperor's good boy list as an extra important and special asset to be kept on side at all costs, largely because of his role as personal enforcer to the other Primarchs and likely other parts of the early Imperium like a One-Furry Proto-Inquisition. Catering to his retarded whims and giving special privileges was of such import he even gave the whole "all psykers and psychic shit are banned because fuck you Magnus" thing his personal stamp of approval because of Lemon throwing a tantrum (and Mortarian but who gives a very literal shit about him) despite how important Magnus was for his long term plans, while also letting Lemon alone keep his own psychic shit intact under the pretext of it being magical woodland critter spirit shit.
Honestly I'm not sure if this was the Emperor just rolling with it so long as it ran according to his rules and furthered his agenda without pushback, or whether by the point the decision was made that it was so big and the Proto-Ultramarines so numerous that he judged it prudent to kick forcibly dissolving and fully incorporating it to the bottom of the to-do list, at least until the Great Crusade and whatever Heresy panned out were over. I did consider if Girlyman was one of the primarchs on his shit list of assholes to throw like leftovers to the chaos gods, but I doubt he would have given them that big a concession or given them so many of the Lost Legion manpower if this were the case.
The rebels were his society in this case, and the refusal to send so much as a mars pattern u-haul to pick them up along with Angron or just bomb the armies surrounding them from space suggests this was some phenomenally retarded "snap him out of not doing what I want" plan by the emperor, or more likely him realising the super special good boy primarch he gave his ultra-empathy and cuddling powers to had been brainfucked beyond repair by the butcher nails and thus he decided to drop kick him into the future traitor camp as hard as he could while mentally crossing Corax off the shit list.
I still wouldn't refer to the rebels as a society as a whole simply because they weren't.
But then the same thing kind of happened with Mortarion as well who was angry the emperor stole his kill(even if it was questionable if Mortarion even as a primarch could have even done it in the first place).
The concessions for Jaghatai and Russ are still concessions none the less. Even Curze was allowed to do whatever he wanted and it only became an issue once he blew up his own planet but by then it was too late to do anything about it since the heresy happened.
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Assuming the whole "Emperor tried to rig the inevitable Heresy in his favour" thing thats been kinda-sorta confirmed maybe in the books is legit, then I would divide the Primarchs into three camps.
- The Good Boys he wanted on side at all costs due to them being extremely vital assets during the crusade or being crucial for his longer term plans, and thus would be given extremely generous and empowering concessions that would seriously screw him over if they somehow turned traitor, or passes for shit he would never tolerate elsewhere. Their legions likewise were given the shiniest toys and most special of privileges. I.e. Horus, Magnus, Leman, Dorn, Corax, and the Lion. Vulcan may have been here too. Lorgar might have started off here but was eventually knocked down to the next group.
- The tools he had little regard for beyond their immediate use in the great crusade and who he would cut lose/purge like the Thunder Warriors without issue should they become a problem later down the line. These are the ones who were effectively if politely told to stop whining and get the fuck in line five seconds after being reunited with him. Their legions were given standard issue shit and no real effort was made to fuck them over, but also no special assets were allocated to them. Basically he would expected a couple of these guys to flip during the Heresy but wanted to get as much milage as he could out of them before then. I.e. Fulgrim, Alpharius, Ferrus, Mortarian and Guiliman
- The Shit List of Primarchs he was certain would turn traitor sooner or later and thus be taken in by Chaos, and whom got either token concessions that would not cause him any issues when they rebelled or were intentionally kicked hard in the nards to ensure they would not be anywhere near his team when the Heresy began. Their legions were either low key sabotaged or allowed/encouraged to become fucking trainwrecks who would not pose a serious threat. I.e. Konrad, Angron, Jaghatei, Perturabo, and as I theorised Sanguinius
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I think I’m misremembering but I do recall in one of the Solar War series they mentioned how BigE and Malc actually wargamed things out about who would fall to chaos and even had a list.
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Lost my long post but thats my memory. Stacked the Primarchs best he could, got a couple wrong but ultimately denied Chaos their prizes.
Angron, Mortarion, Lorgar, Kurze, and Perturabo (either him or Dorn) ended up with Chaos as planned. Horus, Magnus, and Khan swapped sides. Ive heard G-Man was seen as a threat for a bit but think Monarchia fixed that.
Chaos had their targets too. Khorne wanted Sanguinius, got Angron. Slaanesh got Fulgrim, a very good consolation, but ultimately wanted someone else who slips my mind.
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Space Furry Combat Patrol. Thoughts?
I dont have any real intention of collecting them but seems to be well designed. Reasomably healthy balance. DG and EC Combat Patrols really set a good standard (not knowledgeable on WE or TS but they look similar).
If this is the future, I support it. I feel like Combat Patrol needs to be composed in a way it would encourage you to buy 2 to start an army with a healthy balance of units (faction unique vs allied units, battleline vs elite vs leader)
I dont have any real intention of collecting them but seems to be well designed. Reasomably healthy balance. DG and EC Combat Patrols really set a good standard (not knowledgeable on WE or TS but they look similar).
If this is the future, I support it. I feel like Combat Patrol needs to be composed in a way it would encourage you to buy 2 to start an army with a healthy balance of units (faction unique vs allied units, battleline vs elite vs leader)
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I find it really funny that the second dad goes to the basement to work on his model trains, shit hits the fan. Especially in the case of the, “Well that escalated quickly Primarchs.”
The pretty boy perfectionist who took over his world on charm and work ethic? On his first solo mission gets addicted to crack and weird sex.
The warhorse siege engineer/living calculator goes postal and massacres his homeworld, which due to the attrition rates was just women, children and the elderly.
The broken terror weapon pops his world like a zit
The smelly sped you appeased by banning witchcraft still hates you and naturally sided with the Traitors.
The macho golden child who cracked under the pressure and the cosmic parasites slid into his mind through the pieces of the ego that you, as the Emperor, fostered and nurtured.
Some were obviously sacrificial lambs but I imagine Malcador getting that very funny report back from that guy who walked in on Fulgrim’s nude art show and Malcador just went, “Yikes, oof, is the chinaman still on our side?”
The pretty boy perfectionist who took over his world on charm and work ethic? On his first solo mission gets addicted to crack and weird sex.
The warhorse siege engineer/living calculator goes postal and massacres his homeworld, which due to the attrition rates was just women, children and the elderly.
The broken terror weapon pops his world like a zit
The smelly sped you appeased by banning witchcraft still hates you and naturally sided with the Traitors.
The macho golden child who cracked under the pressure and the cosmic parasites slid into his mind through the pieces of the ego that you, as the Emperor, fostered and nurtured.
Some were obviously sacrificial lambs but I imagine Malcador getting that very funny report back from that guy who walked in on Fulgrim’s nude art show and Malcador just went, “Yikes, oof, is the chinaman still on our side?”
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I don't know, because it looks cool?
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I think it was justified. I mean can you imagine if Curze kept the rot from Nostromo during the rest of the heresy? Okay granted he just kind of spent time dicking around Ultramar before getting pushed off into space. But still. Also MAYBE he should’ve left a few of his sons on Nostromo to hunt and keep the gangs in line. But he still didn’t do anything wrong! Okay MAYBE he shouldn’t have accepted his visions as set in stone but ya know I blame the woman for not having BigE around to guide him. Really we can blame the heresy on Erebus and women.
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fellas don't buy green stuff world paints, that shit is terrible and smells so bad.
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I like their colour scheme though.
GW is finally bringing abhumans back? And the guard cat girls too? Rad. I can finally field my collection of-
Oh, you mean space wolves.
I don't collect space wolves, so meh. From an outsider perspective. Having space marines that aren't fucking inferous marines is good. Not counting the character, it's £5 per mini, which is more than I'd like to spend on a "value" box like this. I don't buy the mark up GW puts on characters and terminators (as much as I would like a terminator army), so the "value" of the box is lost on me.
I've been spoiled by games like Bolt Action which are £2 or less per mini, and even a SM
You need to find yourself a reseller who does reasonable character/vehicle/etc pricing.
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What happened this time? Not that it's probably much considering those YouTubers do this sperging every year.
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GW got a TRO from a court in Florida against a bunch(180+) knock off online sellers, on top of this a good number of people who are only slightly associated with these sellers got some scary legal notices. Probably a bit heavy handed but ultimately just your standard gayass copyright bullshit.
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They sued everyone who had warhammer in their name without looking, even some guy who was selling warhammer from battletech.
It also included some retailers selling battlemats with "Warhammer" in the description and all sorts of other stupid shit like rulers, objective markers, dice trays, etc. included GSW, Baron of dice, squadmarks, art of war and so on. 90% of the list was a bunch of aliexpress/etsy/etc. sellers that actually were selling infringing shit, some dumbshit at GW's legal department fucked up.
The guy with the battletech merch store wasn't even selling the warhammer mech, it was a fucking refrigerator magnet of all things.
Also, fuck Arch for being Arch. He's also weeks late about this shit.
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A Renegade friendly alternative to the furfag would be welcome.
Everyone wanted Sanguinius
Khorne, because of his bloodlust and bravery.
Slannesh because of his pursuit of artistic and martial perfection.
Tzeench because of his precognition and tactical genius.
Nurgle because... ###HOMOPHOBIC STD COMMENT DELETED###