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I'm looking to get into the tabletop in the near future (once i have the time and means to do so) and I wanted to start with kill team since its cheaper. I really like votann but there's two versions, yaegirs and salvagers. does anyone know if they play drastically different or if its mostly a cosmetic thing? also I'm trying to find their options for color schemes and cant really find anything :/ on that note, how do you all feel about paint schemes, are they really super flexible or do people get annoyed with off color armies/models
 
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I don't know how people bother stripping models. Primer fucked 60+ models of mine and I'm almost at the stage of just buying new ones. Wraiths have so many crevices to hide primer and are delicate as it is.
If it's acrylic primer, rubbing alcohol and a toothbrush work. Just be careful that some resins turn brittle (or bendy) after being soaked in it for too long.
 
you guys could just talk to your play group and continue to play last edition of HH if the new one is so terrible

Otherwise, heres the email for the HH FAQ customer support page. I hope everybody that gives a shit about HH is willing to write a detailed letter explaining whats wrong with the new edition when it launches and everyone starts playing (and hating) it.

HeresyFAQ@gwplc.com
 
I'm looking to get into the tabletop in the near future (once i have the time and means to do so) and I wanted to start with kill team since its cheaper. I really like votann but there's two versions, yaegirs and salvagers. does anyone know if they play drastically different or if its mostly a cosmetic thing?
Couldn't tell you how they play, but you can just look through their rules and maybe get an idea

also I'm trying to find their options for color schemes and cant really find anything :/ on that note, how do you all feel about paint schemes, are they really super flexible or do people get annoyed with off color armies/models
That old color spergery was mostly about space marines and iconography(someone liking Salamanders but preferring red, shit like that), and any of it still around comes from people who haven't played in years anyway. Most people are just happy to see someone else's shit painted.
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That's the "official" color schemes from their codex, but there's other groups mentioned in their lore without being provided with color schemes. Paint 'em however you want.
Here's another link from GW themselves with some pro painters outside of GW having painted them up and they don't exactly match GW's paintjobs.
Plenty of other examples to find on google as well.
 
I'm looking to get into the tabletop in the near future (once i have the time and means to do so) and I wanted to start with kill team since its cheaper. I really like votann but there's two versions, yaegirs and salvagers. does anyone know if they play drastically different or if its mostly a cosmetic thing? also I'm trying to find their options for color schemes and cant really find anything :/ on that note, how do you all feel about paint schemes, are they really super flexible or do people get annoyed with off color armies/models

No one REALLY cares about paint schemes. Theyre your models to kitbash and paint as you choose. Especially as Xenos.

The only time its an annoyance is with Space Marines. You have yellow Ultramarines? You have blue Blood Angels? Little annoying since your brain has colours and space marine chapters hardwired. No other faction has 9 factions using the same models so this is a purely space marine issue of tiny proportions.

Its the smallest of issues I deserve puzzle pieces for even typing this out.
 
How does this store exist without being a money laundering front or something? Game stores tend to have some weird hours at times like not being open before noon on a weekday(which isn't actually that weird if you think about it), maybe not even being open on a Monday(and sometimes Tuesday). But 10am to at least 8pm on a Saturday is basically a must, same with being open during the evening on a Friday.
FLGS here is now open 4 PM to "whenever" on weekdays, cause the owner's kid now gets out of school and isn't quite old enough to help run the store yet. It's a good thing in a way, as it prevents impulse buys.
 
It's also funny that the two of us basically have the same opinions of this obvious shilling(anyone claiming they aren't when they've clearly received it weeks early is a fucking idiot) for different reasons.
I don't trust anyone that receives GW kit for free. They're essentially on the payroll at that point. I don't trust content creators in general as most of what they produce is hyperbole to get engagement. I won't effortpost about it again, but most hobby channels are cancer.

Winters is perpetually on the verge of a nervous breakdown and shits himself at the prospect of having an opinion on anything. I used to watch a lot of him when his games were more narrative focused, and everything he says is framed in the typical "you do you" mentality you see from the hobby now. Pandering to every retard for the sake of acceptance has worked out really well hasn't it?

Its going to be interesting to see what the uptake has been in my local store. I do know there has been one pre-order. There are about 14-16 regulars in the store that play 30K regularly. Out of those, 8 of them still play 1.0. I'll see how many come over to 2.0 to 1.0 in the coming months.

I don't know how people bother stripping models. Primer fucked 60+ models of mine and I'm almost at the stage of just buying new ones. Wraiths have so many crevices to hide primer and are delicate as it is.
Invest in an ultrasonic cleaner mate. Get hold of some Biostrip and ISO. Dunk your models in Biostrip for a few seconds to soften up the acrylic, then wash them off. Get a sealable freezer/sandwich bag, put some ISO in it along with your model, then seal it. Fill your ultrasonic cleaner up with water as you normally would, then submerse the bag in it. Give it 15-20 minutes in the ultrasonic and you shouldn't need much scrubbing to get rid of any leftover paint.

I've used that on eBay rescues, old minis, some of my painting abortions etc and it works like a charm. The only thing I would warn you about is to be careful with how long you have the Biostrip on the mini if they're resin models. The same for the ultrasonic too. Don't have resin minis sat in there with warm water. It'll soften up the resin and the ultrasonic action will pit the shit out of them or even disintegrate them (pretty kino to watch ngl) depending on the makeup of the resin.

are they really super flexible or do people get annoyed with off color armies/models
Paint them however you want. The best part of Kill Team is that they're not your normal rank & file so you have a bit more creative freedom. Bonus points if you paint them in a way that upsets the autists, like having each model represent a different League.
 
I don't trust anyone that receives GW kit for free. They're essentially on the payroll at that point. I don't trust content creators in general as most of what they produce is hyperbole to get engagement. I won't effortpost about it again, but most hobby channels are cancer.
More than most, practically all of them are cancer when it's time for free shit from GW.
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Oh, I was going to hate it but then...!
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Look, it's amazing you can use the left over bits with your other leftover bits to kitbash more minis to play the game with, what a revolution! Look how we're sticking it to the man by getting more value out of the box!

The hyperbole is in full swing for HH 3.0, most of these channels won't fucking touch it once the hype has died down, as they never bothered after the HH 2.0 hype when they got their free shit.

Winters is perpetually on the verge of a nervous breakdown and shits himself at the prospect of having an opinion on anything. I used to watch a lot of him when his games were more narrative focused, and everything he says is framed in the typical "you do you" mentality you see from the hobby now. Pandering to every retard for the sake of acceptance has worked out really well hasn't it?
Looking at that batrep the other day, he did come off as nervous chihuahua of a man. If that's the norm for him now... good lord. Haven't watched his stuff in ages either, but that's pathetic.

Its going to be interesting to see what the uptake has been in my local store. I do know there has been one pre-order. There are about 14-16 regulars in the store that play 30K regularly. Out of those, 8 of them still play 1.0. I'll see how many come over to 2.0 to 1.0 in the coming months.
Definitely more than the local stores in my area, but I know the boxes will sell out because people will buy it just for the sake of consooming because they need to(seen plenty posting about it in the store discord server, but unlike the 40k channels, the 30k channels are dead as a doornail and you almost never walk into the store and see anyone playing it). It's generally only the laughably awful boxes that stick around on shelves(9th black templar army box, 10th imperial agents boxes, shit like that).
 
Don't mean to derail the miniature posting but does anyone have a recommendation for a good 40k book to start with? I'm guessing other than the heresy series or the fall of cadia there isn't too much to worry about chronology(?) so any that you particularly enjoyed I would love to know.
The Infinite and the Divine (Necrons. Extremely good.)
The Ciaphas Cain series (Book 1 or Omnibus 1; Imperium, but from the point of view of Ciaphas Cain, hero of the imperium.)
Elemental Council (Tau novel that actually makes readers not hate them?)
The High Kâhl's Oath (Only Votann novel out right now I think?)

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My goodness that's insane do most people read these digitally or am I looking in the wrong place
Yes, digital is the way to go. If you do want paperbacks, look on ebay if the Amazon prices aren't reasonable. Many are limited editions which is why they're stupid expensive. Sorry.

... I'm surprised with the rise of eBooks and China being, well, China, there isn't a larger market of bootleg reprints of books out there. ... I wonder if I could get in touch with a Chinese print shop.
 
The hyperbole is in full swing for HH 3.0, most of these channels won't fucking touch it once the hype has died down, as they never bothered after the HH 2.0 hype when they got their free shit.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed the hype for 2.0 evaporated a couple of weeks after release. This was the catalyst for Total Content Creator Death for me. There is still a lot of cope for 2.0 in the 30K community. Is it a bad system? Not really. Is it a worthy replacement for 1.0? Not even close.

All that people wanted out of a new edition was a real FAQ. Not the drip feed we've been getting for years. The fundamentals of the game are fine (with the exception of the psychic phase). That was never an issue. In fairness, the community had done the bulk of the work for them anyway. We just wanted models/bits that had been on the backburner for years.

When Bligh died the game was on a slow descent after the release of Inferno. The last black books released before the advent of 2.0 can attest to this. Again, the community did the work and polished those turds.

I'm lucky where I live as the GW store used to be a banger. They actively encouraged people to play specialist games and didn't kick up a stink when people brought in Forge World models. They even used to have a few in the window for a while. That all changed when a new manager came in and shitcanned everything apart from 40K and AoS, so virtually everyone migrated to the FLGS about 100 yards away. It must have hurt them in the long run as the place is dead now. You rarely see the tables in use apart from demo games and the die hard neckbeards using them as painting stations.

The FLGS did well enough out of it to move to a store that was double the size and maintains some good communities that aren't just 40K. There has been little to no interest for 3.0 there. There is still the one solitary pre-order, and if it is who I think it is he'll only be getting it for the Mk IIs anyway (not that it matters anymore as it doesn't look like any listings have specific armour marks attached to them).
 
dropping an absolute clusterfuck of an edition when 30k was the one that had enough neckbeards and discord trannies that actually tried to make their own, Liber Panoptica. to the point where they shat out seperate supplements for every other faction and the fucking Eldar using nothing but the pure power of autism, is something thats really stunning and brave.

Although GW is very lucky it tapped on the 5E style of trend hoppers who are absolutely allergic to playing anything thats not a current official release.
 
Because they want to win, sadly. Make Crusaders Great Again.
I don’t really play tabletop so I can’t say first hand, but from what I’ve seen of their rules they look very viable to win with proper strategy. Definitely not top meta or anything but enough tricks to address most psyker or Zerg armies and enough melee that all they would need to do for ranged is close in fast enough
 
Paint them however you want. The best part of Kill Team is that they're not your normal rank & file so you have a bit more creative freedom. Bonus points if you paint them in a way that upsets the autists
Glad to hear, im gonna be extra autistic and paint a couple of of them revolving around the DRG class colors so original i know
The only time its an annoyance is with Space Marines.
This is where I probably had my hangups originally, seeing people sperg out about colors I just assumed all factions were as nitpicky about keeping things "canonical" thank you for clarifying
 
I don’t really play tabletop so I can’t say first hand, but from what I’ve seen of their rules they look very viable to win with proper strategy. Definitely not top meta or anything but enough tricks to address most psyker or Zerg armies and enough melee that all they would need to do for ranged is close in fast enough
I havent really played 10th, but I mained BT and Grey Knights in 8th and 9th, and closing the distance to get elite melee armies in to do their jobs is extremely hard to do against a player with even a little skill. Most good players screen deepstrikes and keep chaff up front you have to chew through before you can even try to get in melee range, and by then you have to pray you still have enough punch to take out the big units you want to kill.

Late 8th edition Grey Knights were great because they because they could shoot like tau and then charge like khorne berzerkers with their tides (seriously, I never lost with Grey Knights after their supp. dropped), and 9th ed BT had their survivability improved dramatically with their vows. A lot of those strategies and units dont exist in 10th, sadly. BT's vows dont put out enough extra damage to make them a real threat, and they dont have any real way to make themselves more durable like in 9th. Without survivability or power, they just cant outslug most armies. Grey Knights are kind of in the same boat, but at least they have movement shenanagins. Anyway, hope that kinda explains it. Ill take my puzzle pieces now.
 
TL;DR: The Scouts need to impress their Sergeants with how tough and manly they are in battle, the Chapter's future be damned.
Tbf, a lot of times helmetless is rare but you don't see it due to being less visually appealing. The Space Wolves do give a reason that the helmet blunts their sense of smell and hearing, which probably has a better alternative.
 
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