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daniel day said:
Asking if your LGS group can keep playing 2e is "house rules"? You could even pitch it to the guys that run your LGS, sort of like how MTG is split into several formats, and usually runs on different days because of that.
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In a way, yes because then it means keeping track of 2 separate rulesets for the same game in my head week to week. I wouldn't do that for 40k, seems like it would be equally as obnoxious for 30k(possibly moreso).

Now if the goal is that everyone sticks to the older game(hh2 in this instance vs hh3), I've seen attempts at that as well in the past and it usually falls apart after a couple of months. Why? Because the store will be promoting the current version, selling new customers on the current version, and for something like a wargame if you're a private group not accepting new players you're also not relevant to the store anymore. Plus that means you're also going to simply run into a matter of attrition with that group as players just drop over time and new players(people who may not care about the issues you have with the new version, or any sort of nostalgia) don't exist to fill the gaps. The customer base for basically every hobby is pretty much a leaky bucket, if you aren't adding new players over time, it's going to dry up. For a large part of the playerbase sticking to marines it may not matter, but the moment more solar aux(it's fucking guard dammit), custodes, mechanicum, etc. comes out that doesn't have any 2.0 equivalent that's more players to leave the hh2 group and want to move on.

As far as what the LGS promotes, I've also never seen an LGS promote play nights for an older version of a game when the newer one is available. I've never been to every LGS in the country, so there might be some that do but it would still seem like an oddity. It's not the same as different format nights for MTG, since the rules don't really change much between formats(an example of this for 40k would be the main game, combat patrol, and maybe boarding action. not hosting game nights for 9th, 5th, or whatever) and LGS especially those with a focus on cards(which usually means buying and selling the cardboard gambling lootpacks to rip little kids off but that's a different discussion) will happily sell old cards with a massive markup(they don't occupy a ton of space).

edit: And to clarify, you were responding to a post about house rules and a lack of common ground(as in playing the current edition).

also, @Judge Dredd brings up another point below. For a pick up game, especially if you're just showing up at the store for a specific game night because you didn't setup a game in advance(speaking of which, I thought you didn't play with randos? anyway) if I can safely assume what the default game size is for a system and bring a list for that, I can just take that list. With house rules and old versions now I've got to take multiple lists worth of models. Half of this army doesn't work in that version so now I'm bringing another half a list along just in case, that guy throws a fit if characters are involved so now I need to bring alternates for that... that's another mess I'm not interested in participating in since I'm certainly not packing up an entire faction just to go to the game store and trying to get a game in.
 
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Humble Architect said:
every legion had them.
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If true, I hate that.

daniel day said:
Asking if your LGS group can keep playing 2e is "house rules"?
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No.

I can't speak for MTG, but with boardgames, everything is self contained. I can turn up, slap Nexus Ops or Scythe on the table, and even if it's a different printing, we all know the rules, or can learn them as we go.

In 40k, it requires a lot of set up, from list building, to if you're going vintage sculpts only.
 
GW say that sending loadouts and models to the shadow realm in HH doesnt matter balance wise because its narrative driven.

If thats the case, why delete them in the first place?

Sidenote, bought my first killteam (Blades of Khaine, may buy Mandrakes too) because i wanted the models. Any recommended resources for KT? Its mostly going to be vs my mate for a while.
 
Mr Clark said:
GW say that sending loadouts and models to the shadow realm in HH doesnt matter balance wise because its narrative driven.

If thats the case, why delete them in the first place?

Sidenote, bought my first killteam (Blades of Khaine, may buy Mandrakes too) because i wanted the models. Any recommended resources for KT? Its mostly going to be vs my mate for a while.
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Not sure what you mean by resources? Waha has a kill team page for rules, Glass Half Dead is a youtube channel that covers it pretty well(2-3 videos a week, covers a bunch of teamsand how they play, game updates, etc.) even if the guy who runs the channel is kind of a fruit.
 
The one thing I've learned from this HH fallout is that the community made rules for craftworld and harlequins (liber Antiqua).
Pity I don't think there's a single historical battle to replicate, barring a few skirmishes or that time the space furries destroyed a complete craftworld.
 
GW is burning a lot of good will even with normies, what's their end game? Their greed is unsustainable.
Personally, I'm all for it. Burn it all down.
 
Guntkvd said:
GW is burning a lot of good will even with normies, what's their end game? Their greed is unsustainable.
Personally, I'm all for it. Burn it all down.
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For you to consume product and get excited for next product.
Genuine answer, keep share holders and investment partners happy. So long as the line goes up the quality of the product will always be second. It's a shame other companies aren't able to catch up to GW, the closest possible contender in the wargame market is warlord games but historical games are almost exclusively the territory of old men, while sci-fi and fantasy remain the favorite of younger audiences.
Perhaps if Warlord began opening its own stores around the country we could see a shift but even that sort of expansion domestically would be a hell of a cost.
 
A pity Privateer Press fumbled so goddamn hard with WarmaHorde 3E that it killed any interest and competition for GW. Always liked their skirmish approach.

The less said about CGL's current fumbles with Battletech's revival the better too.
 
Guntkvd said:
GW is burning a lot of good will even with normies, what's their end game? Their greed is unsustainable.
Personally, I'm all for it. Burn it all down.
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Normies... as in the bulk of GW's audience won't give a shit about HH 3.0 in 6 months and a lot of them won't even wait that long since the next shiny thing will be jingled in front of them in a little under 2 hours now. Actual normies don't know about this HH 3.0 launch debacle and won't care. The video game players were busy lapping up the arbites class added to Darktide.

StevieLasVegas said:
A pity Privateer Press fumbled so goddamn hard with WarmaHorde 3E that it killed any interest and competition for GW. Always liked their skirmish approach.
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Sure but that's almost a decade ago now. Other companies and games have come and gone since with nothing coming close other than x-wing and it looked like SW Legion for a bit, but once again the company behind it shot themselves in the foot(at least this time it was due to being a licensed property).

Inquisitor_BadAss said:
Perhaps if Warlord began opening its own stores around the country we could see a shift but even that sort of expansion domestically would be a hell of a cost.
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All they sell is even smaller niches than GWs products. "hell of a cost" would be an understatement, it would tank the company if they expanded their retail store to multiple locations. Yes, they've got a retail store already(2017 is when it opened) partnered with what looks like Army Painter and AK, but even then it's another tiny store not much better than a GW that can't host more than 2 games at once
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Warlord sculpts are shit. They get cut a lot of slack because they are "cheaper" than GW and in the case of their more niche games its just nice to have minis for them at all.

They look about 30 years out of date. They have that static 2D look that older metal minis used to have because of the casting process (very little movement outside of a single plane; you'll know it when you see it). Even the newer ones have that look to them. Is it to stay in keeping with their older sculpts or is it just laziness? Who knows.

The new edition of Konflikt '47 could have had some potential. The original was a solid enough game, but the more esoteric units looked like ass. Now they still look like ass, but you're paying a premium for them. For example, a standard Churchill tank (in plastic) will set you back £25, the Churchill Meteor (a Churchill with a rocket pod on top) will cost you £38. Can you buy a resin upgrade separately in case you wanted repurpose one of your existing Churchills? Of course you can't. How about £42 for a set of 8 metal 28mm infantry? People must be falling over themselves to play this.
 
Muad'Dick said:
They look about 30 years out of date. They have that static 2D look that older metal minis used to have because of the casting process (very little movement outside of a single plane; you'll know it when you see it). Even the newer ones have that look to them. Is it to stay in keeping with their older sculpts or is it just laziness? Who knows.
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Keeping everything on that single plane like the spin cast metal minis also cuts down on the modeling time, chopping it up, leaves sprues simpler(so less screwing around with flow simulations and needing to adjust them) and keeps the sprue count down and well as minimizes the necessary thickness of the molds. It's not quite as bad as it used to be with everything looking like it was designed in only two dimensions, but the pattern is definitely still there.

They also provide a lot of "value!" in their boxes. It's more minis in a $160 box from warlord than you'll get in a combat patrol for 40k but the sculpts are all shit. Like come on, this is a preorder of minis being released in 2025? And for all of the complaining about GW's faces... also $60 for this
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That's $60 for a box of 10 infantry that look slightly melted. A box of 10 cadian shock troops I'd say is a reasonable equivalent, is only $52 from GW.
 
Hm. Huge Votann update with the new codex. Two new HQ (an Ironkin hivemind and a Tyranid Hunter from a dead League), a Mole Mortar, some vehicle, and an Ironkin version of the AdMech robots.

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A bit offtopic, but the Chaos Dwarves unsquatting for AoS is pretty neat. For good or bad, the other dwarves ran when Chaos came during the Endtimes. The Helsmiths of Hashut instead turned to worshipping an ancient Dwarven diety that was better off left forgotten (Hashut). When the Chaos hordes came for them, they didn't flee -- they locked them inside their holds with them and broke the demons down for resources. So you have traditional dwarves with a bull theme (Hashut is a giant bull god) and demonic essence infused golems and weaponry.

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I just noticed not a single female Chaos Dwarf shown once. Heh.
 
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Hm. Huge Votann update with the new codex. Two new HQ (an Ironkin hivemind and a Tyranid Hunter from a dead League), a Mole Mortar, some vehicle, and an Ironkin version of the AdMech robots.

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A bit offtopic, but the Chaos Dwarves unsquatting for AoS is pretty neat. For good or bad, the other dwarves ran when Chaos came during the Endtimes. The Helsmiths of Hashut instead turned to worshipping an ancient Dwarven diety that was better off left forgotten (Hashut). When the Chaos hordes came for them, they didn't flee -- they locked them inside their holds with them and broke the demons down for resources. So you have traditional dwarves with a bull theme (Hashut is a giant bull god) and demonic essence infused golems and weaponry.

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I just noticed not a single female Chaos Dwarf shown once. Heh.
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Yeah About that no females.
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