Warhammer 40k

[Snekposter]

Not even GW writers would do that.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Birmingham

 

[p1138]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Birmingham

I'm aware, but that's the city, not the country as a whole. From my understanding that'd be the equivalent of Louisiana or maybe Florida.

Yes.

How have you managed to become literate with that thought process?

 

[Rimanah]

This is exactly the problem, and it's easily fixed. Even "over 2 and a quarter" or "over 2.25" would fix it.

Agreed. Frankly, if they really want to make the transhuman dread believable, 2.5-2.7 meters, about the height of an Asian elephant, would do it. I can at least somewhat believe that seeing an elephant sized man move at cheetah speeds would cause a moment of panic even in veteran soldiers.

But frankly, the notion that it’s actually going to cause dread by the mere sight of them is always going to require more than a pinch of suspension of disbelief. If War Elephants charging the Roman Infantry was something that Rome could train their soldiers to not panic because of, a really big and fast dude causing mind locking panic no matter what is never going to be more than a little silly. (Which is fine ofc, this is 40K).

GW saying that a thousand chapters of a thousand marines for a galaxy spanning empire is enough is a retarded fuckup, 6'6 being very, almost abnormally, tall is not.

They’re certainly not in the same league of fuckup, space marine height is barely an issue, but no, it is not so tall as to cause fucking “dread.” No matter how bad their proportions get.
Nobody’s arguing it’s not tall, that was never the issue. It’s just not tall enough to cause what BL authors pretend it would, which is what everyone was poking fun at.

For reference, at 2M tall, marines are shorter than Master Chief out of his armor. Barely, but still. Yet nobody is pretending he should be causing this same dread. It’s just a silly concept.

 

[p1138]

Agreed. Frankly, if they really want to make the transhuman dread believable, 2.5-2.7 meters, about the height of an Asian elephant, would do it. I can at least somewhat believe that seeing an elephant sized man move at cheetah speeds would cause a moment of panic even in veteran soldiers.

Sure but even a 2 meter tall man moving at unnaturally fast speeds could cause that. But this also happens when they're walking around imperial navy ships out of their armor and there isn't any combat going on and people turn a corner and see the same guy they've seen daily on the bridge for the past who knows how many years, while primaris are walking around the same set of decks on the same ship again for years. In combat they generally do get described appropriately, of course out of combat and especially out of armor you wouldn't see that speed for it to appear odd.

a really big and fast dude causing mind locking panic no matter what is never going to be more than a little silly. (Which is fine ofc, this is 40K).

Indeed. It's silly, but we can also accept that it's still shitty writing. That being said, you could still have all of the silly nonsense within 40k and simply have descriptions within it be written better since it isn't as if that would have any downside.

 

[Michael Wade]

Old lore was Marines were average 7ft unarmoured, around 8 with it then now primaris are noticeably bigger (Alpha Legion story makes that point, Custodes too) than before so probably 8ft unarmoured plus majority of the Imperium sees them as almost mythic at times which is where the trans human dread normal people experience is triggered by how fast they react or move for said size

I forgot to mention how much I liked the first encounter the Alpha's had sneak attacking the fist Primaris. They take these guys with total surprise, cloaked from two different directions and outnumber them 3 to 1. The Primaris took so much punishment and react so fast they almost manage to kill an alpha and soundly rattle them. The alphas still win, but they had to shoot em 2 or 3 times in the head with sniper rifles because they kept getting back up from shit that should have killed a regular marine.

 

[Humble Architect]

What are you retards arguing about? This whole conversation is like the 5'11" meme. Calm down and have a picture of Guillimom. It makes me smile.
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I like that the Primarchs really do just go with lacking a proper mom and dad is recipe to be ruined for life.
Roboute, rigid douche though he can be, is still better off than the 90% of his bros because he had a loving home and parents who gave him the Superman upbringing. Contrast that with Horus being raised by E and Malcador

Very trad, very wholesome.

I forgot to mention how much I liked the first encounter the Alpha's had sneak attacking the fist Primaris. They take these guys with total surprise, cloaked from two different directions and outnumber them 3 to 1. The Primaris took so much punishment and react so fast they almost manage to kill an alpha and soundly rattle them. The alphas still win, but they had to shoot em 2 or 3 times in the head with sniper rifles because they kept getting back up from shit that should have killed a regular marine.

It’s a good detail that CSM genuinely view Primaris as abominations. Lord of Excess and it’s prequel short show how the EC feel about it (not happy, very offended) then introduces Torachon, a “gift” from Bile, he’s tall, looks just like Fulgrim, has zero mutations, is popular, is stunningly dim and obeys a “true master” over his warlord. Intentional or not, it’s a pretty good mockery of the Primaris stereotypes.

 

[I don't like goblins]

Assuming the guardsman in this image is 5'8" (a reasonable height) that would make the firstborn Space Marines from Astartes (now canon) ~8'7", approximately 2.6 meters tall. This, I feel, is a more appropriate height for a space marine.

 

[Newcomer 42]

This year space marines need to be 8 feet tall, the year after they'll need to be 10. You guys need to give your head a shake. These guys are saying a 6' 5" 300-400 pound guy isnt intimidating. You guys are not in touch with reality.

Wait for GW to unleash the Primaris Primarii marines, the Space Marines MK3, now with a New Hat Helmet! AS for how tall they are, IMO they're 2-3 meters tall with comicbook muscle, more armored than modern tanks, and capable of sprinting despite that. Oh, and they have superhuman reflexes and a rocket launcher machinegun.
No wonder they're scary.

none withstanding the ones described to be blessed with a semi normal looking face)

Blood Angels: *smug face*

I like that the Primarchs really do just go with lacking a proper mom and dad is recipe to be ruined for life.
Roboute, rigid douche though he can be, is still better off than the 90% of his bros because he had a loving home and parents who gave him the Superman upbringing.

A traditional, loving family helps a lot to build character, in fiction and outside of it. It's the ultimate superpower!

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

The UK isn't some poor third world hole either.

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Assuming the guardsman in this image is 5'8" (a reasonable height) that would make the firstborn Space Marines from Astartes (now canon) ~8'7", approximately 2.6 meters tall. This, I feel, is a more appropriate height for a space marine.

8.5' seems like a pretty reasonable height for marines. Still recognizably abhuman and immediately imposing without full blown giant status like the 15 foot tall Primarchs and shit.

 

[daniel day]

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Assuming the guardsman in this image is 5'8" (a reasonable height) that would make the firstborn Space Marines from Astartes (now canon) ~8'7", approximately 2.6 meters tall. This, I feel, is a more appropriate height for a space marine.

So you're saying the appropriate height for a space marine is... over 2 meters tall?

 

[Love Machine]

They don't get described like that in the books and instances where the authors decide the best descriptor is "over 2 meters tall" Again, that's the whole point. You don't describe something inhuman and unrelatable, with a description that applies to someone you'd see at the grocery store.

Well now this is just getting oddly specific, how much is this happening specifically that you need to bitch about it? Where do they mention a space marine’s height and nothing else about him? Can you cite more than 3 instances?They've compared hormagaunts to the size of small canids before in novels, is that an issue?

The dawn of fire series by itself has an entire book dedicated to Space Wolves on Fenris, another book dedicated to Black Templars, and most of the space marine stuff in the series is ultramarines or one of their thousands of successor chapters. Fuck, it's the only chapters they seem to write about most of the time. There's a big difference between reading nothing at all, and reading some of them. No one stated reading everything was a requirement, but if you're not reading anything...

I did read it buddy, that's why I mentioned it by name and made a little comment about its quality. Kinda of a failure on youre part with readng comprehension. I know they're all in there. Looking at the release list now actually, they've actually barely released anything at all that's not those chapters in the past 5 years, besides like a flesh tearers novel that I did read. So I guess I did read most of the space marine shit they've put out in the past 5 years.Now it looks you're just bitching to bitch at this point, bud. You're saying the books are shit anyway but you specifically have a problem with this part? By… not having a specific enough description of their height? Also when people say something is “over 2 meters tall” only an autistic would assume they mean 5’6. But I dont think there is a single character that says "that space marine is over 2 meters tall" then just ends the description there.

 

[p1138]

Well now this is just getting oddly specific, how much is this happening specifically that you need to bitch about it? Where do they mention a space marine’s height and nothing else about him? Can you cite more than 3 instances?They've compared hormagaunts to the size of small canids before in novels, is that an issue?

Did you even read what started this?

Just like so many black library authors wanting to describe a space marine as being imposing by describing them as "over 2 meters tall", while failing to realize they're just describing them as NBA players.

It was an off hand comment about something that some of the authors had done repeatedly. No, I can't cite it because I don't have a method of searching the text of every BL novel and it wasn't something from a specific book I had recently read to be able to give a specific example off the top of my head(other than in Eisenhorn Xenos the line specifically was "well over 2 meters tall" which is certainly better than other instances). But I can cite the transhuman dread bit still existing in recent books

I did read it buddy, that's why I mentioned it by name and made a little comment about its quality. Kinda of a failure on youre part with readng comprehension.

I wouldnt be surprised if "transhuman dread" as a concept died when primaris were introduced in modern black library writing.

I literally said I dont read the new most new primaris novels,

Ignoring whatever the fuck "dont read the new most new" is supposed to mean, the transhuman dread concept is in modern black library writing and if you actually read the books you'd know that. But you didn't seem to know that and now claim that you have read the newer primaris novels, specifically the main book series from the setting for the past 5 years So which is it?

The man stepped round in front of him. He was an ensign, his uniform bearing a vox-officer’s pips. In a shaking hand he held out a thin piece of paper. The end wavered as if it were caught in a breeze, he was trembling so much. His face was damp with sweat. Transhuman dread had him in its grip. Some baseline humans hid their fear well. This one did not.

Unlike Athagey, they certainly suffered transhuman dread

That's from the latest in the dawn of fire series, and it isn't the first or only either.

So you wouldn't be surprised if something as a concept died in shit you've been reading, so you forgot? Make up your damned mind.

 

[Love Machine]

It was an off hand comment about something that some of the authors had done repeatedly. No, I can't cite it because I don't have a method of searching the text of every BL novel and it wasn't something from a specific book I had recently read to be able to give a specific example off the top of my head(other than in Eisenhorn Xenos the line specifically was "well over 2 meters tall" which is certainly better than other instances). But I can cite the transhuman dread bit still existing in recent books

It happens enough to annoy you but not enough for you to cite an instance???

gnoring whatever the fuck "dont read the new most new" is supposed to mean, the transhuman dread concept is in modern black library writing and if you actually read the books you'd know that. But you didn't seem to know that and now claim that you have read the newer primaris novels, specifically the main book series from the setting for the past 5 years So which is it?

I simply assumed they had released more space marine books that they did.

 

[p1138]

So I guess I did read most of the space marine shit they've put out in the past 5 years

Have you made up your mind yet?

By… not having a specific enough description of their height?

Yes, because it's shitty writing. Being a black library novel doesn't excuse it, nor does it elevate it.

Also when people say something is “over 2 meters tall” only an autistic would assume they mean 5’6

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you got it backwards and meant 6'5"

Now it looks you're just bitching to bitch at this point,

Nope, otherwise I'd have called out your fuck up about 5'6. And no, it's not about being autistic, it was a comment about writers using better wording to describe shit was all. Instead we got a pair of idiots, one who keeps changing his mind about what he's read and what he hasn't read, throwing a tantrum.

It happens enough to annoy you but not enough for you to cite an instance???

Correct. Because it was a general comment about the writing over the past few years. Did you even read what the fuck you replied to? Certainly aren't reading books, at least you don't seem to be sure about that.

I simply assumed they had released more space marine books that they did.

There have been more space marine books than the dawn of fire series, but you apparently can't decide if you've read them or not.

 

[Love Machine]

So for all we know youre just making up something that doesn't actually happen?

 

[p1138]

So for all we know youre just making up something that doesn't actually happen?

Because admittedly

It was an off hand comment about something that some of the authors had done repeatedly. No, I can't cite it because I don't have a method of searching the text of every BL novel and it wasn't something from a specific book I had recently read to be able to give a specific example off the top of my head(other than in Eisenhorn Xenos the line specifically was "well over 2 meters tall" which is certainly better than other instances).

And I never claimed otherwise, except a specific instance I remembered of it being done better and was able to go back and verify.

You're the one who has sperged out for multiple pages as if I've offended you by criticizing novels you haven't read, then have read, while attempting to tell others what is or isn't in the books, especially a basic fucking concept like transhuman dread.

 

[Love Machine]

Because admittedly

And I never claimed otherwise, except a specific instance I remembered of it being done better and was able to go back and verify.

You're the one who has sperged out for multiple pages as if I've offended you by criticizing novels you haven't read, then have read, while attempting to tell others what is or isn't in the books, especially a basic fucking concept like transhuman dread.

I more so had a problem with the idea a 6.5 ft tall space marine "cant be intimidating" actually. I just think its funny that this is a hypothetical hang up you have that might not actually happen all that often.

 

[Rimanah]

I more so had a problem with the idea a 6.5 ft tall space marine "cant be intimidating" actually

Nobody said they “can’t be intimidating.” Anyone “can be intimidating.”
As @Rick The Stick pointed out, what’s being made fun of is the idea that such a height is inherently intimidating, especially to the degrees GW/BL describes it as:

Transhuman dread. Aximand had heard iterators talk of the condition. He’d heard descriptions of it from regular Army officers too. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing: taller and broader than a man could ever be, armoured like a demigod. The singularity of purpose was self-evident. An Adeptus Astartes was designed to fight and kill anything that didn’t annihilate it first. If you saw an Adeptus Astartes, you knew you were in trouble. The appearance alone cowed you with fear.

-Age of Darkness (2011)
You have this massive build up, “taller and broader than a man could ever be.” And then it’s just a NBA player or WSM competitor. Just a funny anecdote of one of the many dissonances between the qualitative and quantitative descriptions of the setting. That’s all people were laughing at.

If you’re going to shit up the thread for multiple pages defending BL slop you are in some strange superposition of having read and not read, why don’t you at least actually read the thread instead of tilting at windmills

 

[Love Machine]

Nobody said they “can’t be intimidating.” Anyone “can be intimidating.”
As @Rick The Stick pointed out, what’s being made fun of is the idea that such a height is inherently intimidating, especially to the degrees GW/BL describes it as:

-Age of Darkness (2011)
You have this massive build up, “taller and broader than a man could ever be.” And then it’s just a NBA player or WSM competitor. Just a funny anecdote of one of the many dissonances between the qualitative and quantitative descriptions of the setting. That’s all people were laughing at.

If you’re going to shit up the thread for multiple pages defending BL slop you are in some strange superposition of having read and not read, why don’t you at least actually read the thread instead of tilting at windmills

Taller then a man could be does in fact fall over 2 meters? Fun fact the tallest person ever was 8 feet. So I guess the primaris arent very inhuman after all. Also I fail to see your citation mentioning meters at all!

P.s. if your bothered by a conversation continuing you can... not reply!

 

[p1138]

I more so had a problem with the idea a 6.5 ft tall space marine "cant be intimidating" actually. I just think its funny that this is a hypothetical hang up you have that might not actually happen all that often.

Because when only described with their height or other vague descriptors instead of the usual flowery language about them being the angels of death and how massive their power armor is or whatever other descriptors the authors use, no 6.5 feet tall is not intimidating or "transhuman".

But because I looked around and found a plugin for this shit. CS Goto, Tempest, Chapter 4

Striding down the ramp in the wake of the invisible energy flows, his heavy boots resounding solidly against the metal, was a magnificent and formidable figure. He must have stood over two metres tall.

Now that one is from the king shitty black library writing, but describing heavy boots is not the caliber of description of an "angel of death" either.
Andy Hoare, Masters of the Hunt, Hunt for Voldorius, Chapter 2,

There, on a wide platform atop the rearing mass of tangled conduits, framed against the pulsating aurora, stood a shape as black as the void. Even at this distance and from the low vantage point, Kor’sarro could see the form of Voldorius. The figure was over two metres tall, and almost as wide across the shoulders.

Ok, so the guy is also wide. Again, not very fucking descriptive of an angel of death if this is the first description you get about a character.

But even if we include "well over two metres" (which still isn't very good), or describing an ork at "over two metres" or frankly anything the hell else as I said, it's not a very good description because even "well over two metres" is again still within the height range of humans you can encounter in public. The one mentioning "at well over two metres eighty" not a specific height but in few words establishes that they aren't talking about a normal human.(there's probably duplicate entries in this because I can't be bothered to have sorted the database and I don't care enough to do so).

Spoiler: db search for "over two metres"

*** Searching for expression: over two metres ***
2 Matches in book: The Gothic War / Gordon Rennie
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1 Matches in book: Innocence Proves Nothing / Sandy Mitchell
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2 Matches in book: Kal Jericho: The Omnibus (Necromunda) / Will McDermott & Gordon Rennie
OEBPS/06-40k-Content-5.xhtml ... of a man. He stood well over two metres tall and had a broad che...
OEBPS/06-40k-Content-6.xhtml ...ing figure standing well over two metres tall and broad across th...
1 Matches in book: Mark of Faith (Warhammer 40,000) / Rachel Harrison
OEBPS/Text/13-Extract-1.xhtml ... other was a giant, well over two metres tall, and wearing archai...
3 Matches in book: The Founding (Gaunts Ghosts) / Dan Abnett
OEBPS/06-40k-Content-12.xhtml ...ack. The figure was well over two metres tall and there was a sug...
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OEBPS/06-40k-Content-29.xhtml ...kad the Smiling was well over two metres tall, his frame heavy se...
2 Matches in book: Gaunt's Ghosts: The Saint Omnibus / Dan Abnett
OEBPS/06-40k-Content-5.xhtml ...p class="Body_Text">Well over two metres, built of corded muscle,...
OEBPS/06-40k-Content-3.xhtml ...Leyr and Yael topped out over two metres.</p> <p class="Body_T...
1 Matches in book: Yarrick The Omnibus (Warhammer 40,000) / David Annandale
OEBPS/06-40k-Content-36.xhtml ...ators, and a larger one, over two metres high, before the bronze ...
1 Matches in book: Blood Gorgons (The Bastion Wars) / Henry Zou
OEBPS/Bastion-Wars-EBOOK-69.xhtml ...hoitan appeared. At well over two metres eighty, when Hazareth fa...
1 Matches in book: Suffer Not the Unclean to Live / Gav Thorpe
OEBPS/Text/3-40k-Content.xhtml ...:lang="en-gb">At a shade over two metres, Cornelius Barden was of...
1 Matches in book: The Blood Angels Collection (Warhammer 40,000) / James Swallow
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1 Matches in book: Deathwatch: Shadowbreaker (Warhammer 40,000) / Steve Parker
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1 Matches in book: Oaths of Damnation / Robbie MacNiven
OEBPS/13-Extract-1.xhtml ... other was a giant, well over two metres tall, and wearing archai...
1 Matches in book: Masters of the Hunt: White Scars Omnibus (Warhammer 40,000) / Andy Hoare & Robbie MacNiven & Phil Kelly & Josh Reynolds & Anthony Reynolds & Graeme Lyon
OEBPS/08-40k-Content-3.xhtml ...oldorius. The figure was over two metres tall, and almost as wide...
1 Matches in book: Dark Hunters: Umbra Sumus / Paul Kearney
OEBPS/Umbra-Sumus-7.xhtml ...ee a towering shape well over two metres tall, and broader than a...
1 Matches in book: Sisters of Battle: The Omnibus / James Swallow
OEBPS/Text/6-40k-Content-32.xhtml ... ring of chrome a little over two metres in diameter. </p> <p...
1 Matches in book: Saviour Of The Imperium (Ciaphas Cain) / Sandy Mitchell
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1 Matches in book: Blood Gorgons / Henry Zou
OEBPS/Text/Chapter_05.xhtml ...hoitan appeared. At well over two metres eighty, when Hazareth fa...
1 Matches in book: Yarrick: The Omnibus / David Annandale
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2 Matches in book: Soul Hunter / Aaron Dembski-Bowden
index_split_007.html ... other was a giant, well over two metres tall, and wearing archai...
index_split_008.html ...mortal men himself, well over two metres tall. Malek, in the suit...
3 Matches in book: 003 Trials of Isador / Trials of Isador by C S Goto
OPS/page-1.html ... Space Marine, who stood over two metres in height, and she did n...
OPS/page-46.html ...e of them must have been over two metres tall. He was bare-heade...
OPS/page-226.html ...gure. He must have stood over two metres tall. Like me, he was ad...
1 Matches in book: Innocence Proves Nothing / Sandy Mitchell
OEBPS/Text/Chapter_20.xhtml ...ment in his throat. Well over two metres of glossy black ceramite...
2 Matches in book: The Gothic War / Gordon Rennie
index_split_005.html ...s a giant of a man, well over two metres tall. Semper knew that t...
index_split_037.html ...ogen stepped forward. At over two metres in height and wearing th...
2 Matches in book: Eisenhorn Omnibus / Dan Abnett
Eisenhorn_Omnibus_split_019.html ...of the shed. He was well over two metres tall, wrapped in a cloak...
Eisenhorn_Omnibus_split_038.html ...hod Esw Sweydyr was well over two metres tall, quite the tallest ...
1 Matches in book: Penitent / Dan Abnett
OEBPS/08-40k-Content-9.xhtml ...figure was a giant, well over two metres tall. Where did bones of...
1 Matches in book: 09. The Returned / Raziel
OEBPS/08-40k-Content-90.xhtml ...rns here. They are huge, over two metres high, created for beings...
1 Matches in book: Tempest / C.S. Goto
OEBPS/Text/Chapter_04.xhtml ...gure. He must have stood over two metres tall. Like me, he was ad...
1 Matches in book: Dark Hunters: Umbra Sumus / Paul Kearney
OEBPS/Umbra-Sumus-7.xhtml ...ee a towering shape well over two metres tall, and broader than a...
1 Matches in book: The Uriel Ventris Chronicles: Volume One / Graham McNeill
OEBPS/07-40k-Content-54.xhtml ...ng lustre. Standing well over two metres tall, Lord Toramino wore...

P.s. if your bothered by a conversation continuing you can... not reply!

Maybe take your own fucking advice?

edit: Actually it wasn't hard to just have it spit out every occurrence for a search result, which honestly makes it come off worse in some instances using the same description repeatedly within the same book which was my original point that it comes off silly since two meters tall isn't some fucking transhuman unattainable height. And no, that isn't a search of every 40k ebook either.

Also, just so you don't feel bad that I'm picking on black library authors since it's upsetting you so much. 90's Timothy Zahn would be another example of an author who desperately(and later on fortunately did) needed get himself a thesaurus so he could stop describing everything as "their lip twisted" as a facial expression or "modulated their voice" which he over used to the point of it being meaningless.