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Just finished watching "Angels of Death", the Warhammer+ mini series. One of the best pieces of 40k media yet, despite the shitty facial animations (you'd think GW has more money to spend on projects like this). Spoilers follow, pretty much loved it from the first minute because of its lore conformity, the quasi protagonist starting to succumb to the Black Rage right in the opening was excellently conveyed, also loved how they made him a former Death Watch SM. The depiction of a hive ship in space battle was fantastic, the thousands of Gargoyles swarming around, the hive ship itself with its bio weapon, properly horrifying. The choice of keeping the entire series in black, white and red also was a very nice touch and looks quite good on screen. Voice acting was so-so but serviceable. I'm not sure if this is worth paying for (which i didn't) but it's one of the best pieces of non-boardgame media, i overall liked it better than Pariah Nexus, which while looking a lot better, did not hit the same as Angels of Death did for me. That one is still worth a watch though.

Edit: I really hate that GW's corporization has extended so far that they don't even credit the individual writers of this in the credits, that "Made by Warhammer Storyforge" is some real bullshit.
 
Man, that shit was tragic. Lorgar convinces Angron to be less of a psycho and more of a bro to his men and gets actual results, then takes him to Nuceria where he remembers a time when he had things to live for and even die for instead of just killing for killing's sake, decides to murder the Nucerians for taking that away from him, saves Lorgar out of a last-minute bro thing, and winds up turning into a daemon prince of Khorne, fucking up the Conqueror with warp fuckery to the point even the awesome guy known as Kharn starts getting freaked out by it all.

Oh, and Erebus knifes Argel Tal because he foresaw the effect on Kharn and his Legion Tal's moderating influences would have, and as the truest servant of the Dark Gods he'd never see Khorne denied one of his greatest champions. I hope Corvus finds a way to use his own warp fuckery to make him suffer endlessly for an eternity and then some.
I mean that is the insidious thing about the Word Bearers. Angron would never admit it but Lorgar was looking like the only brother who didn’t treat him like a dumb animal and was trying to be a friend.

And then he’s sold to Khorne after Lorgar engineers a meltdown and after he’s a barely-sentient warp monster whose men had to restrain him, Lorgar is writing at his desk like it’s nothing. Offering complete, blood for the blood god, we have our siege weapon for Terra.

They come with warm words and charm out the ass but you’re next to be sacrificed. I’ve said it before but at least the cult legions like what they do and you know beforehand what to expect from them, even the TS, you know they’re scheming. With Word Bearers it’s always cruel.

I read Vox Dominus, the continuation of Marduk’s band of WB and the DG warband leader they meet is genuinely nice and seems almost genuinely hurt when Lorgar’s bastards do their thing.
 
That cerberus faggot again. Yeah, he's a mini painter, and also a tourist who at the end of the day doesn't have an army of anything to play for even combat patrol if I remember right. Plus it's just the same shit over and over. LGHDTV flag paint but sisters, LGHDTV flag paint but guard, tyranids, epic scale, gundam, just the same shit over and over.

Good news is he entered a painting competition and didn't even make it to commended for his category, you can see his mid IF entry all the way down toward the bottom https://miniaturepaintingopen.co.uk/online-2025-gallery

He made some excuse about accidentally entering in the master category, I think it's more like he had his head up his ass with all of the praise thrown at him for his alphabet paintjob bullshit and thought he was better than he actually is. The reason I say that is because if you change the filter to Standard instead of Master, I don't think he'd have done well there either.
My personal favorite bad WD artist is the Simon Elsen. Background to these images, this guy had a friend who edited for WD, got his SoH army in a issue, and it's a trainwreck. I could go through every issue with this (I play Heresy, we a fucking rivet counters), but the major ones are:
  • Full AoS models for HQs
  • Painting them as SoH while saying they are early crusade (so they should be Luna Wolves)
  • Making Razorbacks
  • Making them SoH when he plays 40k and played them as Ultramarines
  • Predator Annihilators before the retcon
The most aggregious is his use of Primaris. They asked him why, and he had the gall to say Alan Bligh; the lead designer behind Horus Heresy and a prominent contributor to Forge World as well as to the Deathwatch, Dark Heresy, and Rogue Trader RPGs back when they were pen and paper games, gave him permission to use Primaris Miniatures. Alan Bligh died before Primaris were announced.
My joy went to anger real quick while writing this, fuck this faggot.
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And then he’s sold to Khorne after Lorgar engineers a meltdown and after he’s a barely-sentient warp monster whose men had to restrain him, Lorgar is writing at his desk like it’s nothing. Offering complete, blood for the blood god, we have our siege weapon for Terra.
Funnily enough he wasn't sold to Khorne. Lorgar actually gave a fuck about him and spends half the book mourning the slow death the Nails have given him. You're talking about a dude who as soon as he heard Angron was in trouble dropped everything, teleported down to the planet's surface, fought his way through a bunch of Ultramarines to the point he needed to throw a damn Thunderhawk around with his mind, and then after being worn down by all that still decided to risk trying to face-tank a Titan's plasma blastgun with his still un-tested psychic might to keep the buried Angron from being vaporized as he dug his way to the surface. It doesn't go entirely as planned, he winds up getting Kentucky deep fried, the Titan decides to step on him to finish him off, and that's when Angron decides an entire Titan would be a nice weight when it comes to doing squats. Kharn even goes so far as to tell his Primarch to man up and thank Lorgar for saving him.

The entire tragedy of Angron is how many people gave a damn about him, from his own legionaries who marched themselves to their deaths into his chamber after he's teleported up after Nuceria to try and talk to the guy despite none of them yet knowing him, to Lorgar, to even his own Librarians who even after everything that happens as a result of the Nails both with him and their fellow Legionaries outright kill themselves trying to get psychic messages through to the guy while he's caught up in the Nails, but that between the Nails and the self-pity after being teleported up from Nuceria he doesn't even care about himself anymore.
 
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Funnily enough he wasn't sold to Khorne. Lorgar actually gave a fuck about him and spends half the book mourning the slow death the Nails have given him. You're talking about a dude who as soon as he heard Angron was in trouble dropped everything, teleported down to the planet's surface, fought his way through a bunch of Ultramarines to the point he needed to throw a damn Thunderhawk around with his mind, and then after being worn down by all that still decided to risk trying to face-tank a Titan's plasma blastgun with his still un-tested psychic might to keep the buried Angron from being vaporized as he dug his way to the surface. It doesn't go entirely as planned, he winds up getting Kentucky deep fried, the Titan decides to step on him to finish him off, and that's when Angron decides an entire Titan would be a nice weight when it comes to doing squats. Kharn even goes so far as to tell his Primarch to man up and thank Lorgar for saving him.

The entire tragedy of Angron is how many people gave a damn about him, from his own legionaries who marched themselves to their deaths into his chamber after he's teleported up after Nuceria to try and talk to the guy despite none of them yet knowing him, to Lorgar, to even his own Librarians who even after everything that happens as a result of the Nails both with him and their fellow Legionaries outright kill themselves trying to get psychic messages through to the guy while he's caught up in the Nails, but that between the Nails and the self-pity after being teleported up from Nuceria he doesn't even care about himself anymore.
Eh, Lorgar is back and forth imo. True, he did seem to care about his brothers, saving Angron, vowing to free Fulgrim and being peers with Magnus (until he crossed a line, as he always does) but his cocky “Blood for the Blood God” after Angron’s transformation comes off as him having engineered everything to make sure Khorne got his trophy, because at that point the other three were inevitable.

Fulgrim was a lost cause.

The Wolf raped Magnus to death

Mortarion was making deals with Grulgor

Angron was dying but wasn’t bending the knee, that couldn’t stand.
 
Eh, Lorgar is back and forth imo. True, he did seem to care about his brothers, saving Angron, vowing to free Fulgrim and being peers with Magnus (until he crossed a line, as he always does) but his cocky “Blood for the Blood God” after Angron’s transformation comes off as him having engineered everything to make sure Khorne got his trophy, because at that point the other three were inevitable.

Fulgrim was a lost cause.

The Wolf raped Magnus to death

Mortarion was making deals with Grulgor

Angron was dying but wasn’t bending the knee, that couldn’t stand.
I decided to go look at the end of Betrayer to see how that turned out because I couldn't quite remember it, and here's how it went down between Lorgar and Kharn back on the flagship after Angron's ascension is finished, complete with Lorgar's remark:
‘What have you done?’

It didn’t matter how softly Khârn asked the question, anger was still the emotion that drove it. A cold anger though, rather than the heat of rage. This wasn’t born of the Nails. It was much more personal.

Lorgar’s newly-claimed reflection chamber aboard the Trisagion was a humble space of bare iron and naked steel, untouched as yet by the personal touches of a soul at home. Khârn knew that in time it would become another library-temple, housing whatever scrolls and tomes the primarch chose to devote himself to. For now, its emptiness made it much less inviting, yet strangely more tolerable. The chamber had no windows, no portals looking out into the warp. Khârn couldn’t tell if that change was significant or not. The primarch was mercurial; guessing his moods and methods was a trial at the best of times.

Lorgar was robed as he usually was when away from battle. He worked at a writing desk, the scratching of his quill a continuous whisper.

‘I did what needed to be done, Khârn.’

The former equerry stepped forwards. ‘There’s a… a daemon shackled in the Conqueror’s hold.’

Lorgar still didn’t look up. ‘It is Angron. Nothing more, nothing less.’

‘Nothing more?’ Disbelief made him bold. ‘It butchered hundreds of my men before you bound it. It does nothing more than roar down there in the dark, breeding shipquakes. Lotara wants to jettison it into space – several decks around it have turned to human flesh, Lord Aurelian. The walls have started shrieking at us with moving mouths. Our water supplies are turning to blood as soon as they’re reprocessed. Whatever is down there is not “Angron and nothing more”. What did you do?’

‘Go down there.’ Lorgar still wrote; scratch-scratch went the quill. ‘See for yourself.’

‘What did you do? Answer me.’

Lorgar raised his head with threatening slowness. His eyes blazed with warp light. Looking into them was like staring into the Sea of Souls itself.

‘I saved him, Khârn. It was the only way. I alone sought to save him from the Nails that were killing him by degrees. I alone looked into the ways to free him from an existence of unrivalled agony. And I alone acted to save him.’

‘But…’

Lorgar’s glare silenced him. ‘Go down there and see for yourself. Angron is the future, our future. Humanity’s future. Immortal strength, and an eternity to learn the universe’s secret metaphysics. He didn’t die, Khârn. He ascended.’

‘But he’s trapped.’

‘For all our safety,’ Lorgar agreed. ‘Ultramar is blighted by the Ruinstorm, cut off from the Imperium. But I know the way back through the fire. We will gather our fleets spread across the Five Hundred Worlds, then we shall rejoin Horus. Has Vel-Kheredar finished forging the blade?’

‘He has.’

‘Is it all I asked?’ Lorgar asked calmly.

‘Its blade is black. It burns with god-runes.’

‘Bring it to me, Khârn. I will deliver it to Angron, just as I will release him when the time is right.’

‘When will that be?’

‘Can’t you guess? When we next reach a world that must bleed like never before.’ He smiled, though it was a sad thing to see. ‘Is that so different from how Angron has lived his life these last decades? Summoned only for slaughter?’

Khârn had no answer to that. No sense arguing with the truth.

‘Is he in pain?’

‘Yes.’ The primarch went back to his writing. ‘But nothing compared to what has wracked him since his gestation pod first crashed on Nuceria, and the Desh’eans hammered the Nails into his skull.’

Another silence stretched out between them. Khârn broke it by bowing; his armour joints snarled at the movement.

‘I’ll see with my own eyes, then.’ He turned to take his leave, but stopped when Lorgar said his name once more.

‘Khârn.’

The captain glanced back, expecting Lorgar to be occupied with his parchment. Instead, the primarch’s gaze was raw and pained; a dignified, restrained fury.

‘Lord?’

‘Would you like to know,’ Lorgar asked softly, ‘who killed Argel Tal?’
Yeah, Khorne got his daemonic champion, but let's be honest, could things have turned out any other way for Angron? Even Kharn is forced to admit that despite Angron's daemonhood nothing has unfortunately changed for him. He was always an instrument of slaughter, driven ever-onwards by forces beyond his control. And it turns out not even Lorgar can stomach Erebus being a backstabbing, team-killing fucktard. Naturally Kharn challenges Erebus to a fight to the death in the pits, and takes his time cutting him up piece by piece to the point Erebus manages to teleport away with his athame, all of the World Eaters there agreeing that such a bitch move on his part is only to be expected of a Word Bearer.

And ironically, Angron seems to be somewhat at peace afterwards as the book ends without the Nails pounding away in his head:
An hour later, armed and armoured, Khârn stood ready once more.

‘You don’t have to do this.’

Khârn looked at Kargos by the console. ‘Yes, I do. I’ve done it before. Open up.’

The Apothecary worked the key controls and the doors swung silently outwards. Beyond them, sticky with drying blood, a set of bone steps went down into the shadows. Another roar, wordless and deep-throated, came echoing up from the gloom.

Khârn walked forwards and let the darkness fold over him as Kargos swung the doors closed behind him. The first thing he heard was the dead whispering in the dark. The second thing was the beast’s breathing. Even his genhanced eyes couldn’t pierce the absolute lack of light. He walked slowly, drawing no weapon despite the temptation, listening to a daemon breathing in the black.

‘Khârn,’ said something unseen, from everywhere and nowhere. Whatever it was, it smelled of fresh graves and funeral pyres, and its teeth were wet.

‘Lord?’

Slow thunder answered. No, a laugh. A chuckle. ‘I am no one’s lord. I never was. Even less so now.’

Khârn swallowed, still edging through the dark. He heard the thing that had once been his gene-sire licking its maw.

‘I want something from you, Khârn.’

‘Name it.’

‘Hnnh. Take your axe. Take your brothers. Kill three hundred souls on the thrall decks.’

Khârn stared in the direction where he was sure the monster was at rest. ‘Why, sire? To what purpose?’

‘Three hundred of them. Take their skulls.’

Khârn heard the thing smile, heard the wet peeling of its fanged maw curling into a grin. Something huge, winged, and wreathed in the smoke of dead souls tried to move closer to him, and strained against the rune-etched chains that bound it. He saw its eyes burning in the dark, orbs of ember-fire, the colour of boiling blood.

‘Take their skulls, Khârn. Build me a throne.’
You'd think that Angron of all people would be raging incessantly at being bound up in runic chains like some beast, but... he just wants a nice comfy chair for himself to rest on in his cell.
 
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Painting them as SoH while saying they are early crusade (so they should be Luna Wolves)
There's nothing I hate more than someone completely fucking up the lore for a faction they claim to be into. And this?

"My collection depicts the Sons of Horus pretty early on in the Great Crusade, round about the time Loken joined the Mournival."

This is so many kinds of wrong. The Crusade was two centuries old when Loken was named to the Mournival and they were still the Luna Wolves for another year or so after he joined it. Absolute clownshit.
 
Logar was about to get crushed to death by a Warhound until Angron saved him on Nuceira during the Horus Heresy. Logar is such a faggot. I'm sure literally any other primarch could crush a scout titan.
Actually, Magnus is the one who can probably destroy a Titan, even an Emperor titan by himself. Imagine not having massive amounts of psychic power to snap someone's neck with a thought. This post is sponsored by Magnus Did nothing Wrong.
 
There's nothing I hate more than someone completely fucking up the lore for a faction they claim to be into. And this?

"My collection depicts the Sons of Horus pretty early on in the Great Crusade, round about the time Loken joined the Mournival."

This is so many kinds of wrong. The Crusade was two centuries old when Loken was named to the Mournival and they were still the Luna Wolves for another year or so after he joined it. Absolute clownshit.
What’s worse is the pigfucker being published. That shit encourages the lazy types who want to cheap out with Primaris parts (back when everything was resin but infantry), just insufferable on every level.

And so comitted to the crap too, that’s the worst part, it’s wrong but it’s such a high quantity of wrong.
 
That cerberus faggot again. Yeah, he's a mini painter, and also a tourist who at the end of the day doesn't have an army of anything to play for even combat patrol if I remember right. Plus it's just the same shit over and over. LGHDTV flag paint but sisters, LGHDTV flag paint but guard, tyranids, epic scale, gundam, just the same shit over and over.

Good news is he entered a painting competition and didn't even make it to commended for his category, you can see his mid IF entry all the way down toward the bottom https://miniaturepaintingopen.co.uk/online-2025-gallery

He made some excuse about accidentally entering in the master category, I think it's more like he had his head up his ass with all of the praise thrown at him for his alphabet paintjob bullshit and thought he was better than he actually is. The reason I say that is because if you change the filter to Standard instead of Master, I don't think he'd have done well there either.
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When I was in france visiting relatives, I passed by the warhammer store in paris, and this guy had his shitty pridemarines (the infamous white dwarf ones) on display there. On top of him being a welfare leach (he made some tweet a while ago talking about how he has been on french welfare for years, and just uses it to paint, while his wife works to support him and their kid) he has made some weird comments about how he fantasises about how his son fucks his wife. I also heard something about his son being a tranny now, but idk. Either way this subhumans ego has been so inflated by redditors and tourists that he unironically thinks his run of the mill faggotflag paintjobs and even midder army paintjobs are good.
 
Some homebrew lore/headcanon/faction rules autism I'd like your thoughts on.

In short, my current story for my "your dudes" is imperial renegades. Pro human, anti-imperial. Supposedly the Soul Drinkers are this, but I don't know.

I'm considering changing that slightly. Making it a tau occupied human world. Same general concept however.

Another idea I'm considering is having them be warp touched, clones, or something of that nature.


My original idea with the renegade plot was to have space marines and guard that can fight other imperial factions when called for. The idea of the recycled clones is to justify having them killed over and over again. I recently considered Chaos as an option, though I don't like their spikey aesthetic and cartoon villain theme. I'm also not a fan of the modern take on Chaos as pirates and scavengers who are constantly fighting just to have enough supplies for the next combat, even though they can summon demons and go on crusades on a whim.

Every other game is cheaper but will harbor the same politics GW has to save face
Strongly disagree there. It could just be because I'm a britbong, but seeing the price of some of the "cheap" games gave me an appreciation for GW prices. Yeah, GW has some bullshit with character and elite prices, and I shill WGA and Northstar all the time, but games like Infinity, Star Wars Legion, and Fallout are hyped as cheaper alternatives, but the prices are insane. £25 for a box of 4 human size minis.

And let's face it Arch has been struggling for content/relevance for years now, only time I hear or see anything from him is in this thread. Was going to say the same about midwinter minis but pretty sure I've had his channel blocked for a long time now anyways due to his persistent whining about how tough it is for him to make content, not getting what he deserves when it's just the result of his own poor choices.
Most of the "chuds" / "fandom menace" types have been dying for a while. Ranted in the past how these guys need to shit or get off the pot leave for greener pastures or shut up already. But now others seem to be getting the idea. In the case of Arch and others,
 
40k waa fringe enough that idpol caught onto it too late to cause lasting damage. As the pendulum swings hard against them, it also makes the chuds redundant. Give it a few years and things will be more or less back to normal in that regard, and we can enjoy our hobby in peace again.


Star Wars and Magic are turbofucked though
 
40k waa fringe enough that idpol caught onto it too late to cause lasting damage. As the pendulum swings hard against them, it also makes the chuds redundant. Give it a few years and things will be more or less back to normal in that regard, and we can enjoy our hobby in peace again.


Star Wars and Magic are turbofucked though
All damage to Warhammer is self-inflicted by GW. And if they sell Warhammer to Amazon, things will get even worse.
People should disassociate their hobby from GW, like Battletech people did. End times and primaris marines can't enter your club without your consent.
 
I can't imagine GW is genuinely thinking of being bought by Amazon. Doesn't seem the kind of thing they'd do. Or are you talking about the movie/TV rights?
 
I can't imagine GW is genuinely thinking of being bought by Amazon. Doesn't seem the kind of thing they'd do. Or are you talking about the movie/TV rights?
Yeah thats such a wild take, I dont even think amazon wants to buy GW. Like why would they want a bespoke toy manufacturer? Their sales side of the business isnt even thr main business anymore, web services is.

If he's just talking about the show my guess is he's a jaded New Vegas circle jerker and heaven forbid obscure lore from a buggy decades old game is glossed over to make an actually good show. People need to read fucking data pads in a video game to appreciate true art!
 
I can't imagine GW is genuinely thinking of being bought by Amazon. Doesn't seem the kind of thing they'd do. Or are you talking about the movie/TV rights?
Maybe not fully sold to Amazon, but I really think they'll transition to selling rights to the Warhammer franchise as their primary source of income in the next 5–10 years.
 
Actually, Magnus is the one who can probably destroy a Titan, even an Emperor titan by himself.
Magnus has killed at least two titan equivalents according to A Thousand Sons. First was one of two Eldar titans on Ahgoru:
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I believe this was "only" a Phantom, ie the smallest class, and technically he didn't solo it since both titans were also attacked by the TSons and Wolves escorting him. Still pretty fucking badass though given the second one took the rest of the TSons, including several of the Captains going balls out with their powers to kill, even though Magnus had already damaged it.

Second kill however was an ork Gargant that had just taken down a Warlord titan, meaning it's likely of comparable size and firepower:
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However he's not the only who can destroy a titan by himself, Sanguinius has also soloed a Warlord, having also just crippled a Warhound:
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This post is sponsored by Magnus Did nothing Wrong.
Obligatory reminder that you are absolutely right, Magnus Did Nothing Wrong. He was told to do nothing, and he did it really fucking wrong.
 
You'd think that Angron of all people would be raging incessantly at being bound up in runic chains like some beast, but... he just wants a nice comfy chair for himself to rest on in his cell.
Is betrayer the story where Angron is also freaking the fuck out about what he's become, how he's once again a slave in literal chains, more depressed than he's ever been and also so mentally broken he momentarily lapses into childhood? I don't think brief moments of "lucidity" where he's going full "build me a throne of skulls" supports your take.
 
My personal favorite bad WD artist is the Simon Elsen. Background to these images, this guy had a friend who edited for WD, got his SoH army in a issue, and it's a trainwreck. I could go through every issue with this (I play Heresy, we a fucking rivet counters), but the major ones are:
  • Full AoS models for HQs
  • Painting them as SoH while saying they are early crusade (so they should be Luna Wolves)
  • Making Razorbacks
  • Making them SoH when he plays 40k and played them as Ultramarines
  • Predator Annihilators before the retcon

I honestly couldn't give a fuck about any of this.

The most aggregious is his use of Primaris. They asked him why, and he had the gall to say Alan Bligh; the lead designer behind Horus Heresy and a prominent contributor to Forge World as well as to the Deathwatch, Dark Heresy, and Rogue Trader RPGs back when they were pen and paper games, gave him permission to use Primaris Miniatures. Alan Bligh died before Primaris were announced.

But this is absolutely unforgivable.
 
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