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Brubby The 2nd said:
I own UM scouts, WB legionnaires, Full options Kommandos, Full options Exaction squad, Full options Blooded. I could run chaos cults too if I picked up some accursed cultists, but I really want to go third party sculpt for those, The kit looks good I just know I will want 2x for the real game and the monobuild is brutal.

I think i've narrowed it down to picking up some more Deathwing termies, a bloodcrusher unit + jugger lord (I want some spare bits for TG vehicles off these as well), 2x wrecka krew which I'm torn on building as tankbustas or not, or Belakor.

Belakor specifically because I dont trust James not to do something incredibly retarded to undivided daemons next edition. And he will undoubtedly be a core part of whatever that retardation manifests as.
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I'll be very boring and suggest a combat patrol of a faction you want that expands on one of your kill teams.

Im being boring because I just reorganised my display case and its very clear that my adhd is fucking my ability to focus on one army at a time. Yeah i spent X hours painting, but I could have spent X hours finishing up an army. Its also true that I painted sick ass models so i take the good and the bad.

CSM battleforce or Combat Patrol to expand your WB maybe?

Steer clear of demons. I want to add 30 daemonettes but I know theres something thats going to shake up demons soon.
 
daniel day said:
What made me fucking HATE these faggots is they dragged Vince Venturella, one of the best painters in the hobby (at least one of my personal favorites) into their show and proceeded to... Make an AOS video ranking how hard a faction is to paint. It's almost insulting how retarded that is. It's frankly a waste of an episode and guest.
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I liked that episode.

Though I guess I have bad taste is hobby YT/podcasts. I don't give a fuck about picking over the latest balance dataslate and pretending that a 0.2% point drop for a named character is game breaking, or people raging about the latest shitty GW decision.

MG-34 said:
GW should go back to having pages of custom colors and camouflage im the codexes and rulebooks just to flat out show low IQ customers "look retard, you can paint them however you want".
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p1138 said:
But somehow GW 2.5 years into 10th edition it's still "pushed against the old "your dudes" idea"? When they've done the opposite.
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They even pushed this in White Dwarf.

p1138 said:
you'd think the LGS for some of these people was the equivalent of a fucking drag show on Saturdays the way it gets discussed by some of these non participants.
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Mine has a bunch of gay flags in the window and heavily promotes trans manga.


daniel day said:
go poorniggamaxxing and get a kill team
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I'm trying to get into Killteam, Combat Patrol, or Spearhead for that reason.


Question for the real life people. How much does base size matter? Asking because I was about to put my guys on some 25mm rounds I have lying around, only to get told that I need to put them on 28mm rounds if I want to use them in 40k. That seems overly autistic to me. Same goes for base height. I can buy 100 of GW-like bases from Amazon for £15 or so, but I'm not sure if I should. Especially since I'm "poorniggamaxing" and trying to avoid getting too spendy.

Small update on Combat Patrol guy. Someone said he wouldn't be satisfied with Combat Patrol. You're half right. He's not played it. He keeps buying things. 40k for combat patrol, Age of Sigmar, and now he's trying to buy Warhammer Quest. I told him it's supposedly shit and to go Gloomheaven, Malidum, or Hero Quest instead, but my advice just bounces off of him.
 
Judge Dredd said:
Mine has a bunch of gay flags in the window and heavily promotes trans manga.
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Yes but that doesn't mean warhammer pickup game night is the equivalent of a drag show like I said. They could have the windows covered in rainbow flags, doesn't mean they're in the store actually playing(because most of them don't). If someone is reading manga(and I didn't specify the apparent tranny manga either)... just don't play with them. If you setup a game, and find out they are some weirdo tranny that keeps wanting to talk politics or whatever the hell instead of just playing the game ok you've blown 3 hours, just avoid that person in the future.

Judge Dredd said:
Question for the real life people. How much does base size matter? Asking because I was about to put my guys on some 25mm rounds I have lying around, only to get told that I need to put them on 28mm rounds if I want to use them in 40k. That seems overly autistic to me. Same goes for base height. I can buy 100 of GW-like bases from Amazon for £15 or so, but I'm not sure if I should. Especially since I'm "poorniggamaxing" and trying to avoid getting too spendy.
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Base height doesn't mean a lot unless you're being silly and slapping all of your models on 2 inch tall rocks or something to see over shit, but that also means now models will be too tall to fit under shit too(and of course be seen to be shot) so it's really not a big deal.

Base sizes absolutely matter, especially 25mm bases as few as there are remaining in the game. It lets more models pile into b2b contact for more attacks in melee(only the first and then second rank in b2b contact with the first rank of models in engagement will fight, 3rd rank of models and beyond don't fight). But more importantly 25mm bases allow engaging in melee where models on 28mm bases wouldn't fit between the target of the charge and the terrain(instead of having to sit on the other side of the wall outside of engagement range entirely or go the long way around when you may not have the charge movement to do so), and as a result would absolutely be cheating if played that way so it's easier to just fix especially since you don't actually have to re-base anything.

Just get the right size bases and stick your existing based models on there, no one will complain about the extra 3mm in height, and blend your basing in with the new section. Or like Mr Clark said, just get basing adapter rings(easily printed these days) and fit them over the existing base rims, and again just extend your basing to the new segment and you're done.
 
MG-34 said:
What are some good storage trays for infantry and large bases, like for dreadnoughts?
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If you want stackable boxes with lids... Magnets in the bases of the models, plastic storage boxes(really useful box is the one that gets thrown around the most, really anything with an appropriate height will work), and cheap thin sheet steel If you don't have a home depot, I'm sure some equivalent(not stainless) exists somewhere in whatever country you're in. Get some construction adhesive at the same time you're buying the steel, glue it into the storage boxes.
Magnets will stick to it better than the more expensive rubberized refrigerator magnet sheet stuff(it's a polarization thing with how refrigerator magnets are made)
 
p1138 said:
Yes but that doesn't mean warhammer pickup game night is the equivalent of a drag show like I said. They could have the windows covered in rainbow flags, doesn't mean they're in the store actually playing(because most of them don't). If someone is reading manga(and I didn't specify the apparent tranny manga either)... just don't play with them. If you setup a game, and find out they are some weirdo tranny that keeps wanting to talk politics or whatever the hell instead of just playing the game ok you've blown 3 hours, just avoid that person in the future.
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I swear most of the time people who complain abou such stuff, it just boils down "What if I catch ze gayness!!"
 
The tired cat said:
I swear most of the time people who complain abou such stuff, it just boils down "What if I catch ze gayness!!"
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I guess? To me it sounds like actual transphobia. I'm not afraid of trannies, and I'm not going to let them dictate what I do and don't do. Tranny flag at the game store, so what? Most of them are only likely there for board game nights and TCGs anyway. Tranny flag at the grocery store, am I supposed to just starve because the local grocery store chain has a rainbow flag on the door? No. Rainbow flag at the shooting range, am I supposed to just stop going shooting? Hell no.

Imagine getting gatekept from your own fucking hobby, not even by troons, but just purely by the possibility of them. We're talking about a fucking game store and playing 40k, not a damned speed dating meet & greet at a local bar that I would absolutely avoid due to rainbow flags and shit. If there is a tranny at the game store, just don't fucking play against them assuming they even actually do play 40k. Let them go sit in the corner flipping through their tranny manga they snap pictures of to go jerk off to later or whatever the fuck.
 
The Feline Solution 2 said:
Ever since they switched over exclusively to CAD (or whatever programme they use) for sculpting there's almost no release that wowed me. The last models that i found really impressive were the GSC release. I think what offends me the most is that it's almost all monopose shit now, with shitty sprues that look like they're been made that way to discourage conversions especially. Gone are the glory days of the 3rd ed. Tactical Squad box.

I need to add that i am out of the TT part of the hobby for a long time and also a 2nd ed. kid at heart so i am heavily biased regarding their current design philosophy. I'd take the RT/early 2nd ed. Harlequins any day over their piss-poor last release.

Curiously enough, i really like the design of these. The Ogryn are a disgrace, though, i agree.
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I agree with CAD. It was most noticeable on the tau path finders for me, the new ones lacked texture on the pants. And the plastic krieg are a downgrade in every single way
 
In this Video, the narrator goes over the juggernaut status of Warhammer and explains why other tabletop games can't get the hype like warhammer. Going over the Video games and novels that have built up the lore of the setting for 40k. I mostly agree with some points he makes in this video but it comes down to it, Games-workshop has largely been around since the early 80s and late 70s while other tabletop studios have only been around for a decade.
 
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The last one I did. Contains Forgefiend/Maulerfiend, Hellbrute and anime parts. Armor panels and spikes are printed. The scythe, chain and the skull headpiece and the horns used to belong to a weeb figure. Eyepiece used to be the head for a War Dog.
Intended to be used as chaos knight lancer.
 
Purple fur Pomeranian said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KpIw2l_8y6w In this Video, the narrator goes over the juggernaut status of Warhammer and explains why other tabletop games can't get the hype like warhammer. Going over the Video games and novels that have built up the lore of the setting for 40k. I mostly agree with some points he makes in this video but it comes down to it, Games-workshop has largely been around since the early 80s and late 70s while other tabletop studios have only been around for a decade.
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Blizzard with Warcraft or Starcraft and Bethesda with Elder Scrolls or Fallout come to mind when I think of possible competitors.

Backed by big money. Established deep lore. Compelling characters. Wide variety of potential models. Creative worlds. They have everything GW has with their IPs and they have an established fandom.

And yet, their attempts have been unsuccessful. Im starting to think its a combination of warhammer stores and pure autism. But its most likely that Warhammer has become its own hobby, separate from the rest of the tabletop or modelling hobby.
 
Mr Clark said:
Elder Scrolls or Fallout
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I'd say the thing that gw ips have over these is the decades of books. I love both of these ips but most of the events in the elder scrolls were loosely touched on throughout the games. When you look at a character model in warhammer, you can most likely find a book spanning multiple hundred pages about them, whereas in elder scrolls all the best writers are gone and didn't have a reason to write as thoroughly about a character or event. 36 lessons of vivec still only gets you like Sotha Sil, Vivec, Dumac, Nerevar, Dagoth and almalexia. I'd say Warcraft would have the pull to do something like that.
 
Mr Clark said:
Blizzard with Warcraft or Starcraft
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It's bad that I only want to support the SC minis game that's coming out because of the possibility that it might lead to a WC RTS run. While I like every thing I've seen of the SC models (except the marauders) all I've heard about Archon Studios is bad news. They do a lot of obvious shilling on /tg/ and someone claiming to be a local playtester for them went on a campaign of shitposting out of spite.
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Mr Clark said:
Blizzard with Warcraft or Starcraft and Bethesda with Elder Scrolls or Fallout come to mind when I think of possible competitors.

Backed by big money. Established deep lore. Compelling characters. Wide variety of potential models. Creative worlds. They have everything GW has with their IPs and they have an established fandom.

And yet, their attempts have been unsuccessful. Im starting to think its a combination of warhammer stores and pure autism. But its most likely that Warhammer has become its own hobby, separate from the rest of the tabletop or modelling hobby.
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Simply having an established IP and then licensing it out is why it's all failed previously.

It's been brought up multiple times before, but Warmachine and Hordes from Privateer Press was actually outselling 40k for a couple quarters(alongside x-wing) back in around 2013-14 or so. Privateer press had been around for over a decade at that point, originally making D&D campaigns based on their own setting. So they had a setting, understood world building, then pivoted to miniatures a couple of years after that, and built themselves up a fanbase and everything. They even had the benefit of people being fed up with 6-7th edition 40k. And once they were successful, shot themselves in the foot, pissed off 80% of their fanbase with mk3, mismanagement of the company, and so on. It's been posted repeatedly before, no need to bother with a bunch of detail.

X-wing, was also doing quite well for itself in terms of sales, also able to top 40k for a couple of quarters. at about the same time frame(2013-14) and still maintained some popularity up through 2018 but it had a problem. It's a licensed game, can't add anything "new" to the setting. Can't add new factions and characters without permission from Disney. Can't dip into The Old Republic timeline for factions, characters, and ships without again getting permission from Disney. Sales start to slow as collectors have everything they want, FFG can't release anything new, meta gets hyper competitive and weird even at local game stores, they get the brilliant idea to create a 2.0 version of the game and release it in 2018, sell a bunch of expensive upgrade packs and bases, and then x-wing was dead as a game after about 2 weeks.

Star Wars Legion, had it's "please we're definitely not 2.0" has spent a bunch of time replacing older sculpts, after years finally has a build your own jedi generic character. But everything FFG now AMG does has to again go through Disney so it's incredibly slow for them to do anything. On top of AMG being incredibly shit with their games only able to properly support 1-2 at a time leaving the others to just langish for 6-12 months with zero releases or anything of interest.

The Other Side by Wyrd Miniatures. They had their own IP, Malifaux but it's kind of an incoherent mess looking at it from the outside. They had a lore podcast, put some lore into their rulebooks, have some out of print novels they haven't done runs of since I think 1st edition. Had some success with 2nd edition, and then proceeded to act as if they were a new company(well over a decade old by this point) and fumbled their retail product and distribution so badly for 3rd edition that retailers gave up trying to stock shit because of the edition upgrade card packs needed, the packaging not being clear for customers, not buying back dead inventory, slow distribution of new product, and plenty of customers just walking away and then proceeding to continually fuck it up all the way through Covid and losing the potential bump in sales of bored people sitting at home. And while all of this is going on with their main skirmish game, they're trying to sell a larger army game(The Other Side) as well? That's not going to work.

Elder Scrolls game, licensed, couldn't get any traction with releases or anything particularly interesting.
Fallout, they keep trying but it's the same issued with licensed content, extremely slow releases after initial launch, can't build hype or anything.
It's been this same with with licensed IPs for years now.

ASOIAF, had success even with the kickstarter where their most interested customers already had everything or eventually just dumped their shit on ebay or whatever for cheap because they were uninterested but actually had product going to retail in a timely manner to get people and stores interested. Then Game of Thrones ended, can't add new shit without permission because it's a licensed game, and so on.

A Starcraft game could skip a lot of problems if Blizzard made it. But then that means Blizzard as a company having to come up with a game system themselves(and all of the problems that come with that, and having to produce minis, and so on) which is outside of their normal scope and they can't even do anything in their actual wheelhouse correctly these days. So you get a licensed product instead. If it's a success, they'll eventually hit a wall where they need permission to do something new, or hit a reset button and not just release a new edition of the ruleset but have to re-release the entire product range to convince people to buy it again with a bunch of alt sculpts and shit(this is where Atomic Mass Games is currently at with Legion and MCP). Worst case scenario, they can't get more than a single release per faction out the door per year after initial launch, and bore their existing players to death, resulting in a death spiral of the game.

Battletech. Holy shit the history with this is a fucking trash fire for everything from mech designs and Harmony Gold, to Wizkids and heroclix(blind boxes for war/skirmish game? expensive too), CGL and their nightmare of management. This shit only survives out of spite somehow.

Gundam mini game. It's Bandai's own IP, and they know how to make plastic kits and figures. The problem is they need to figure out how to make a tabletop game. They delayed the release for a year, their main competitor is going to be Battletech not GW even if clickbait titles and thumbnails say otherwise. But they've got nothing to show for it other than the minis they've released with their stupid TCG but those don't even have the correct bases for the actual minis game. wtf? Could have people with teams ready to go the day the rules come out, but nope they've already fucked that one up.

So it's not that warhammer has become its own hobby, it's that they're actually in control of everything they do and don't need permission from another party to make something, their competition is either licensed games with an expiration date(contracts), or their competition has been retarded and shot themselves in the foot repeatedly while GW mostly does a lot of the same shit they've been doing, or nothing. Kinda like Steam wins for PC gaming by doing basically nothing(at least until Gabe dies and it eventually goes to shit because people won't understand to just leave things alone).
 
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Went with 2x Wrecka Krew. It's probably a mistake but the plan is to do 1 Breaka/1 Busta squad. Watching the FA show got me thinking about super mutants and they do have that look about them. New Nobs are right around the corner and I'd rather use those as elite melee infantry if they dont remove the option for Klaw spam. Who knows, maybe they wont step on the toes of Breakas now that they made anti tank melee their role.
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Worst comes to worst just pick up another box down the road and use the new refresh wave bits to swap heads
 
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