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Bitter boys stuff got shown off pretty quick, only a year late for the “Year of Chaos.”

No bionics in the upgrade kit is pretty funny ngl.
 
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Bitter boys stuff got shown off pretty quick, only a year late for the “Year of Chaos.”

No bionics in the upgrade kit is pretty funny ngl.
New model looks great, but I'm wondering why not go with Honsou? The books he appear in are popular enough to warrant it.

Now that I think about it, if they do get their own codex like that one rumor suggested, I could see them saving Honsou for that.
 
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Bitter boys stuff got shown off pretty quick, only a year late for the “Year of Chaos.”

No bionics in the upgrade kit is pretty funny ngl.
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I see the Heavy Metal team are having a regular one.
>new shoulder pads
>still have to paint the hazard stripes yourself
I dont know what I was expecting, but it was more than that lmao. If this is all IW get then IW niggas stay cucked.
 
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Bitter boys stuff got shown off pretty quick, only a year late for the “Year of Chaos.”

No bionics in the upgrade kit is pretty funny ngl.
I like they’ve been pushing Chaos Space Marines more but I need more than just a bits upgrade and single unit here.

Also again. I hate how these editions are so hero and named coded. I want MY GUYS not well technically they’re my guys…
 
Even ignoring the many years of explicitly pushing "a setting, not a story" before 8e
That's exactly why I curious about younger vs older. I come from 3e where it was explicitly a wargame setting and books and stories were a fun novelty. To me, 40k lore progress with stories and books is a recent change, and I've made no secret that I think this ever changing lore stuff is a bad idea (@p1138 mentioned Battletech, which died this way).

But maybe people coming in later think it's always been this way, so games like Warpath, K47, etc. are the anomaly to them?

Gonna sound like a dumb question, any suggestions for a first-time painter/potential player? I haven't picked an army yet and I'm kinda overwhelmed.
This is going to sound even more dumb, but jozxyqk. But another dumb sounding thing is don't pick an army.

The starter sets have armies. Usually space marines vs some other guys. They are a good place to start.

If none of those speak to you, just buy a kit or maybe a combat patrol that do. Fun is the main goal. So even if it costs more in the long run, go for things that are fun to you short term and worry about the details later.

As a player of a game, it's usually best to pick an army that is "easy" to play. ie. Avoid armies with complex rules (Genestealer cults) or that require "finesse" (Eldar). Finally, and this is a very personal opinion (and very Timmy for those who buy into that measure), but I try to avoid "feels bad" armies. ie. Abilities that stop the other player from doing things, or ultra tanky armies where it can take an age to kill anything.



AoS tutorial game 5 : Some salt edition.

Played the final tutorial game of AoS. The next game is full fat Spearhead. TLDR : 40k brain strikes again.

Currently confused by a rule. It seems to be AoS is roll to hit, wound, save, damage, ward save.
Eg. If I do 1 wound with a damage 3 attack. It appears that you roll 1 save against the wound but ward save requires 3 saves (against the damage result). Not sure if that's right, but that's how it seems in the book, and what AI and Reddit (but I repeat myself) say is how it works. Also the 3 inch combat bubble is odd and I don't understand it, so we chose to ignore it for now.

Anyway. Battle was fixed set up again. I won the initiative. My plan was simple.
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The fight that would matter would be the middle. I wanted to lock down his fliers since they could fly around grabbing points otherwise. And the rest of his army is too slow to move around grabbing things. So charged the fliers with clan rats to lock them down while the rest of my army moved to the middle. The plan worked.
Somewhere along the way, my rat ogres got an above average roll. This led to a bunch of rage and salt from my opponent, complaining how they're OP, there's no counter, how his army of 9 dudes have no chance against 20 clan rats and 5 elites/hero units. If this happens next game, I might have to stop playing with him because, while it makes an entertaining story, I'm not putting up with a tantrum each time I roll well.

On his turn, he did a major fuck up. He decided to just stand around. I asked why and he said "to hold the point". I explained sticky objectives, and he just wanted to sure I didn't take it, and during the salt complained that charging my ogres would be a death sentence. Eventually he finally realized that my ogres are tanks by rat standards, but still squishy enough that they could be destroyed in a turn or two.

As for something funny at my expense. A unit of clan rats failing to hit fliers. I put this down to them being short and the fliers being to high to reach.

We also played out past turn 4 for shits and giggles, and he tabled me again. What I'm learning is rats start strong, but have to get their damage in early as once they start to thin out they lose a lot of effectiveness.
 
Bitter boys stuff got shown off pretty quick, only a year late for the “Year of Chaos.”
Seems like an easy conversion base for a generic terminator lord, worst part to clip and clean up seems like the mounts and mechadendrite ports. Was not a fan of converting Aba, dude is too big.
 
Something I want peoples opinions about. Especially newcomers/younger people vs olds.

To paraphrase the opinion.
"[Game X] has better lore than 40k. [Game X] has a setting written to facilitate wargaming, while 40k lore was made to facilitate endless novels."
bit late to reply but I admire the cumulative human effort that 40k represents. Even if there weren't huge swathes of books and lore decades ago, there were still beautiful pieces of art being made for the setting, and I think it's neat. Other than the limited physical releases, I can't really see more novels as a bad thing as I'm sure there are still writers who are inspired by the world and try to capture it, gw writer or not. I may not even be qualified to answer this question since for me the wargaming is basically accoutrements to how I interact with the ip, but that's from a zoomie who didn't get into it for the game alone. 40k's world has such a multifaceted quality that can capture a lot of different people with differing interests, and I don't think many ips have been able to recreate that novelty. I wanna play the game, but I'm enjoying the time till then.
 
(@p1138 mentioned Battletech, which died this way).
Battletech is far from dead, even if Topps has unintentionally tried multiple times to kill it. It went far too long with minis that compared to everything else a new player sees on the shelf at the game store, looked like shit. Trying to make it into heroclix at one point didn't help either. Stackpole being a shitty author and going out of his way to talk shit to and antagonize fans long before gamergate/comicsgate/etc. The overt and blatant rainbow troonery of recent years. And that's before failing to come up with something between battletech which largely hasn't changed as a game, and alpha strike to actually try and cater to an audience that might be interested but sees game mechanics and crunch from the 80s and just nopes out or that alpha strike looks too simplified and just isn't interested. It's certainly not a dead game, just in a weird purgatory for years that's been mostly self inflicted but the recent model updates in the past few years have definitely gotten the game some positive interest.

Eg. If I do 1 wound with a damage 3 attack. It appears that you roll 1 save against the wound but ward save requires 3 saves (against the damage result). Not sure if that's right, but that's how it seems in the book, and what AI and Reddit (but I repeat myself) say is how it works.
Yes, it's the equivalent of a feel no pain in 40k.
Also the 3 inch combat bubble is odd and I don't understand it, so we chose to ignore it for now.
Effectively the same as the 1" engagement bubble from 40k as far as movement. It's a simplified version of previously units having different combat ranges but allows units to have a larger exclusion zone when combined with what little terrain there is can be used to force units to move differently than if it were much shorter. Gotta do something when the battlefield is more open I guess.

I don't understand why your buddy has so much trouble with sticky objectives, they've been in 40k for years now.
If this happens next game, I might have to stop playing with him because, while it makes an entertaining story, I'm not putting up with a tantrum each time I roll well.
I've said it before but he's got just as much opportunity to roll well with dice. Although if he's not even bothering to engage with anything to even roll in the first place there's nothing much to be done about that.
 
Emperor's Children / World Eaters / Thousand Sons look really cool, but just thinking of painting them (as a newbie) is enough to give me an aneurysm. :lossmanjack:
The idea is worse than the practice.

Every army has its thing. Chaos has trim. Space Elves have panel highlighting. Tau has panel lining. Etc.

Paint base colour. Paint trim. Go back with base colour to clean up any mistakes.
 
Emperor's Children / World Eaters / Thousand Sons look really cool, but just thinking of painting them (as a newbie) is enough to give me an aneurysm.
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got my friend who's never picked up a brush to paint this guy, and he enjoyed it enough to look into a faction for himself. Ain't the mona lisa but I swear rubricae aren't hard at all. Ask me what I think of Tsons when I paint Ahriman
 
this might sound retarded but are the retcons GW does that bad? I mean they sometimes retcon cool stuff and such but i mean 40k sometimes feels too bloated and unorganized in lore although they are more to blame since they never had a "lore Master" for their new books
I think the big Necron retcon from mindless robot zombies to Tomb Kings In Space was a good thing.

I hate this nigga bro
if you watch anything with bricky in it I just assume you're a contemptible faggot. Everything this guedo fuck touches turns to shit and now he's pulling in animeniggers. This is what gundam does to the American mind.

Im not going to link it but if you go to Youtube and type in "full HH listening books" and look for a nigga named kn16h750f4ud1813 (replace the numbers for letters and "listening" for "audio") youll get thr first 8 books. Shits cash. Its frankly what a lore channel should be.
I actually think it's pretty easy to find Horus Heresy e-books and official audiobooks. More so than any other Black Library publication since people are always looking for the Horus Heresy novels. On a related note, if you choose to listen to the HH audiobooks, it's a good idea to grab the e-books for reference, especially for the dramatis personae, the listed cast of characters at the start. Later HH novels also have occasional illustrations. For the Siege of Terra novels in particular, you should also look up their corresponding map illustration. And on a further related note, I just learned that the official Siege of Terra novels website is dead.

I used to enjoy Bricky before I knew better. I watched his lore podcast a lot, but then he said something about the Imperium that was blatantly wrong. I forget what it was, but that made me go "The fuck?" The same thing happened with Luetin. Also, yeah, his defending femstodes was another thing that made me stop watching him.
I've long maintained that all "loretubers" are hacks. They're the end of a game of telephone, making bastardized recitations of wikis that are themselves bastardized recitations from other sources (if any sources at all). The best sources of lore to refer to will always be the official core rulebooks, codices, supplements, and campaigns of pretty much any edition (particularly as the amount of lore each edition of a codex has tends to vary).

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Bitter boys stuff got shown off pretty quick, only a year late for the “Year of Chaos.”

No bionics in the upgrade kit is pretty funny ngl.
Looking good. I'll probably get the IW upgrades for CSM kill teams. But Iron Warriors aren't really characterized by bionics any more than other Space Marines. They're not (more) evil Iron Hands.

New model looks great, but I'm wondering why not go with Honsou? The books he appear in are popular enough to warrant it.

Now that I think about it, if they do get their own codex like that one rumor suggested, I could see them saving Honsou for that.
There is no Iron Warriors codex. Just the Eye of Terror campaign book that has already been officially teased. The new IW character will have his datasheet there just like Titus and his crew are in 500 Worlds.

And I'm not at all surprised by there being no Honsou model. The new IW character will be available indefinitely. Black Library original character models tend to be limited-run. Ultramarines Captain Uriel Ventris is out-of-production and rare. White Consuls Captain Messinius has gotten to the same point now. The first model for the Guard lady Minka Lesk came and went, and her second model with retinue "Hell's Last" is already off of GW's website after a year. Eisenhorn (notably in resin) and Gaunt's Ghost seem to be exceptions to this. Maybe because Dan Abnett gets special treatment.
 
The best sources of lore to refer to will always be the official core rulebooks, codices, supplements, and campaigns of pretty much any edition (particularly as the amount of lore each edition of a codex has tends to vary).
At the risk of seeming charitable to those nutsacks, I've long viewed 40k "lore" as a galactic scale game of oral tradition/myth/telephone. How much was or is propaganda from their respective powers seems eternally up for question. The Remembrancers, as an institution, was only recently reinstated by Rowboat and apparently because so much of the Imperium's true history is lost to time and an empire not knowing where it really came from is never a good thing. Can't imagine the situation for the xenos is much better, and it's not like Chaos is exactly reliable either.
 
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got my friend who's never picked up a brush to paint this guy, and he enjoyed it enough to look into a faction for himself. Ain't the mona lisa but I swear rubricae aren't hard at all. Ask me what I think of Tsons when I paint Ahriman
This is perhaps a great example for @Lady Adjani to check out.

Bloke had no experience and painted that. Outside of his helmet needing alternate blue/gold and maybe a wash, its actually really really good work.

Further, add a highlight and thats about as far as I would go. Not every model is a Golden Demon candidate
 
Honsou will get picked up by GW and repurposed from BL character to being IW Lucius/Kharn/Typhus/Ahriman/Abaddon/Huron. The legion poster boy. The unhelmeted head in the HH upgrade kit FFS is him.

Uriel got dumped because him and Titus are the same character and you watch, Titus will inherit that beef with Honsou. The man himself, of course will be picked over, reworked and then re-integrated to the nu-lore. Sold in a command squad, likely a reformed Trident. It’s just like them going out of their way to make Huron’s brat pack have a 1:1 character from the NL omni.

The guy revealed today is just a warsmith kit with a name slapped on, like the Lord Discordant.

You watch, NL (the other undivided legions) will get a named HQ, it won’t be Decimus, because a big name like him will be saved for the big command squad. That’s their new thing, just like three-man squads of elites. Every fucking chapter and legion has one coming. The BL one will be the Abaddon’s gay not-Mournival, the EC one is gonna be Eidolon when it comes. I have consulted the tarot and this is what will be.
 
Honsou will get picked up by GW and repurposed from BL character to being IW Lucius/Kharn/Typhus/Ahriman/Abaddon/Huron. The legion poster boy. The unhelmeted head in the HH upgrade kit FFS is him.

Uriel got dumped because him and Titus are the same character and you watch, Titus will inherit that beef with Honsou. The man himself, of course will be picked over, reworked and then re-integrated to the nu-lore. Sold in a command squad, likely a reformed Trident. It’s just like them going out of their way to make Huron’s brat pack have a 1:1 character from the NL omni.

The guy revealed today is just a warsmith kit with a name slapped on, like the Lord Discordant.

You watch, NL (the other undivided legions) will get a named HQ, it won’t be Decimus, because a big name like him will be saved for the big command squad. That’s their new thing, just like three-man squads of elites. Every fucking chapter and legion has one coming. The BL one will be the Abaddon’s gay not-Mournival, the EC one is gonna be Eidolon when it comes. I have consulted the tarot and this is what will be.
Could also be the case that this guy is the new honsou to titus. Plus, I think having a named character for every legion works into total war warhammer 40k having more dlcs. I wouldnt be shocked if they had a dlc for every traitor legion alongside every first founding chapter and the really popular second founding ones. Either way, that warsmith armor is ace and while the upgrade sprue is meh, at least it has helmeted options for all 10 squad members. Im looking forward to the mutilators and defiler though.
If GW's lore for 40k were simply to endlessly sell novels, they're sure as hell doing a piss poor job of that.
Honestly, there are enough novels now where I genuinely think Black library should focus mostly on reprinting the old books. Some are good, and some are really not, but im sure some of that old cover art will attract people who see it. Sure it would put current black library authors out of a job, but imo thats a positive as its clear even the more talented ones have since lost their touch.
 
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