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>Be the Emperor
>Magnus tears new asshole through the Webway
>Go in with army to stitch it closed
>Flood of worst demons ever
>Going nowhere fast
>Immovable Object VS Unstoppable Force
>Consider cutting your losses
>Suddenly get a vision
>Vision shows loyalist Primarch
>Primarch will flip the Heresy from a lose to a win
>Primarch will arrive through the Webway gate to Terra
>Stick it out
>Your forces are dwindling to a nub
>Leave Webway
>Vulkan arrives in the Webway
>VULKAN LIVES!
>"I'm late! I'm late! I'm late!"
>Vulkan encounters giant green booger of Nurgle
>Gets eaten whole by giant booger
>Special Primarch power: ACTIVATE
>Fire torrents out of giant booger's side
>Hindenberg.webm
>VULKAN LIVES!
>Demon is kill
>I mean dead
>Really dead, not shattered, not banished, permanently dead
>Never coming back
>Emperor on Golden Throne
>Peers into the Webway with psychic powers
>Sees Vulkan 360 no-scope demon lord
>Awakened Primarch
>Let's Vulkan into Imperial Palace
>Keep Vulkan hidden by your side on the Golden Throne
>Imperial Siege happens
>Magnus the Red arrives in the throne room
>Peer into Magnus' heart with psychic powers
>Still loyal
>You need Magnus
>Most powerful psyker Primarch
>Second only to you
>He can run the Golden Throne reliably
>You could scrub away his Tzeentch taint
>You even have his noble shard to bribe him
>You can roam freely and command your armies
>You can go back inside the Webway to finish fixing it
>You can save your dream for frictionless interstellar travel
>Fuck it all up
>Give bullshit ultimatum
>Tell Magnus he needs to kill all of his own sons as a show of loyalty
>Magnus
>Even when corrupted by TZEENTCH
>Loves his sons, actually
>Beside himself
>Can't do it
>(This is without his good guy shard, btw)
>You hear a tiny voice in the back of your head
>"Um, WTF are you doing?! You can still 180 out of this, postpone that stupid demand until after the Siege is over, you retard!"
>You speak
>"Sic 'em, Vulkan"
>Vulkan starts pummeling Magnus, your only meaningfully psychic semi-loyalist son, your ace in the hole, to death with his hammer
>Loony Tunes tier one-sided slapstick melee violence ensues
>Magnus, despite being a reality-warping psyker, sits there and takes it
>Magnus falls to the ground, broken and battered
>Vulkan drops his hammer, picks Magnus up by the side with his teeth and starts thrashing his head around
>Drops Magnus again
>Vulkan starts twisting Magnus' broken limbs into a pretzel
>"Please!" Magnus cries out! "Please make him stop!"
>"Say uncle!" says Vulkan
>"Uncle! UNCLE!" cries Magnus
>"Sorry, Malcador isn't here" Vulkan replies
>The violence circus continues
>The little voice comes back
>"Okay you've made your point, stop watching him get Monarchia'd and get him on the Throne now!"
>You speak
>"Squish his head!"
>The beating suddenly stops
>Magnus looks up with his one eye
>Sees Vulkan's foot hovering above him
>"Save me Tzeentch!"
>Vulkan's foot stomps on the ground
>His foot leaves a spiderweb crack on the granite floor
>Magnus has disappeared
>Snatched defeat from jaws of victory
>"Oh well, at least we still have Janus" you think to yourself
>You feel a disturbance in the Warp
>You peer inside the Webway
>There's demons pouring in
>Magnus is there now
>He's now a full-on Demon Primarch of Tzeentch
>He's also become a giant
>They grow up so fast
>He's Ripping a new Goatse hole through the Webway
>Send Vulkan throught the Webway gate
>Vulkan shreds through demon army
>Makes his way to Demon Magnus
>They fight
>David and Goliath
>Magnus is dribbling Vulkan like a basketball
>He kills the shit out of Vulkan
>OH NO.mpeg
>Vulkan gets back up, wounds fully healed
>VULKAN LIVES!
>It's like if Vegeta got his immortality wish when fighting Frieza
>Suddenly, Magnus does a double-take
>Magnus sees your astral projection as you watch them fight
>Your astral projection has a bucket of popcorn and a big gulp of soda
>Vulkan swings his hammer onto Magnus' big toe
>The toenail splits open
>Bad CGI blood everywhere
>Magnus picks up his injured foot with his hands while hobbling backwards on his other foot like a cartoon
>Falls over
>Vulkan walks over to Magnus' giant head leisurely
>Does a God of War QTE on Magnus' head with his hammer
>DOES NOT use his special true-death flamethrower power
>Magnus fades away, banished, but not dead
>Vulkan returns to the throne room on Terra
>Good news, everyone!
>Horus is down four Demon Primarchs and Perturabo rage quit
>Lorgar and Konrad Curz are totally absent
>The traitors are losing horribly
>Horus suddenly drops the void shields on the Vengeful Spirit
>Do you:
>A) Order a ground-to-orbit bombardment on the Vengeful Spirit
>B) Order all available ships in orbit to open fire on the Vengeful Spirit
>C) Wait and hope for reinforcements from Lion El Johnson or Roboute Guillimon
>D) Teleport a thermonuclear bomb to the Vengeful Spirit to blow it up
>E) Take the bait and knowingly walk into an ambush on purpose
>You choose E, of course
>Pick who to bring with you
>Constantin Valdor and some Custodes
>Sanguinius, Primarch, best boy, semi-awakened Primarch powers, has wings and can fly (technically a psyker), exhausted, battered and bleeding, just banished Demon Angron
>Rogal Dorn, Primarch, architect of the Imperial Palace & all its defenses, lead general of your army, no awakened Primarch powers. Won a duel with Demon Fulgrim, but otherwise just a normie with gigantism, really.
>Vulkan, Primarch, has fully awakened true-death flamethrower powers that kills the shit out of anything Chaos related, super-perpetual that can't be killed, melee specialist, just banished Magnus the Red.
>Jaghatai Khan, awakened Primarch powers, but he's laid out, unconscious and nearly dead from a bunch of infected wounds he got from banishing Mortarion
>Malcador, best bro, alpha-pluse-pluse-pluse psyker, only rival to Magnus besides you
>Janus, freshly minted super-Astartes imbued with the noble soul fragment of Magnus made for the express purpose of purging Chaotic taint
>You pick Sanguinius, best fighter but is exhausted and in dire need of medical aid
>You pick Rogal Dorn, the guy leading the defense of your Imperial Palace and best fit for it because he's the one who designed its layout, doing a good job, but not at all equipped to fight a Chaos meat puppet
>You pick Constantin Valdor & Custodes, pretty obvious and only smart choice
>You DO NOT bring the anti-Chaos super-Astartes with you to fight a Chaos meatsuit, but instead leave him behind to do nothing
>You DO NOT bring Malcador as psychic back up against a Chaos meatsuit, but instead leave him behind to operate the soul-sucking Golden Throne to hold back the tide of demons
>You DO NOT bring the hulking, true-death human flamethrower and unkillable super-perpetual Vulkan to fight a Chaos meatsuit
>You DO NOT also send Vulkan back into the Webway to continue fighting the incoming horde of demons to spare Malcador the life-ending torment of using the Golden Throne
>Instead you send Vulkan to do Rogal Dorn's job, which was to lead the armies of the Imperium in defense of the Imperial Palace, despite not knowing the layout of the palace and having no knowledge of existing logistics or manpower
>You also DO NOT consider putting any of your latently psychic Primarchs on the Golden Throne to see if they could handle it better than a 600 year old human prune
>You do, however, consider tying a rope on a stick to Jaghatai's leg to use him as a flail
>But that would take too long
>Teleport onto Vengeful Spirit
>Everyone separated
>Custodes, with few exceptions, are immediately brainwashed to attack you
>Cut down all your golden buddies
>Fuck it
>Time to fulfill last minute asspull prophecy
>Prophecy nobody knew about until now that everyone knows it
>Turn into big blob of black licorice called the Dark King
>Surprise old buddy shows up
>Tells you you're about to become 5th Chaos God
>You think about it, turns out he's right
>You rip a phat phart as you turn back into the Emperor
>The phat phart heals all your companions who aren't dead
>Except Sanguinius, I guess
>Shed your compassion as a soul shard
>Do not send it to Malcador to give him a power boost
>Do not give it to Constantin Valdor, Vulkan, Sanguinius, Rogal Dorn or Janus for safe keeping & power boost
>Shit out Star Child to the Warp, totally unaccounted for
>Go confront Horus
>Sanguinius dead, shitting blood on the floor
>Fight begins
>Horus is strong, too strong
>Idea
>Divide both your and Horus' power by splitting reality into a bunch of parallel realities where a bunch of weakened Horus clones fight your individual souls
>Turns out to be a terrible idea as Horus cuts down the majority of your soul fragments and makes you that much weaker when reality recomposites
>Horus beats you like a disobedient dog
>You think "I sure wish I had someone here to help me"
>*WHACK*
>"Somebody big, strong and reliable"
>*BANG*
>"Someone who could pull this bastard off me"
>*SMACK*
>"I wish Ferrus Manus were here"
>*BANG*
>"I wish I took the time to turn Jaghatai into a flail"
>Your armor barely protects you from broken bones and blood hemorrhaging
>Have to resort to smoke and mirrors'
>Feign a defeat
>Pretend to be Garviel Loken
>Convince Horus to give up his Chaos buffs
>He does, Horus is at normal strength again
>Reveal you're still alive
>"Clever girl"
>Fight resumes
>Horus regaining Chaos powers but only drip by drip as a fuck you for giving up power at all
>Pull out stone age ceremonial knife of unknown origin
>Chaos Gods see the knife through Horus' eyes and start freaking out
>Start pumping as much Warp jizz into Horus as fast as possible
>Too late, Horus just got gutted
>Chaos just lost all the power they put in
>Chaos Gods are now a shadow of their former selves
>You almost got what you really wanted after all
>Collapse
>Rogal Dorn and Constantin Valdor drag your corpse back to the Throne Room
>Sit you on the Golden Throne
>Malcador is dead as shit, reduced to ash pile
>Vulkan is there too
>Idea
>About to ask Vulkan to lend you a cup of super-perpetual
>Too late
>Golden Throne activated
>Can't heal, the Golden Throne is draining your power
>Reflecting on stupid decisions you made as you pass out
>"I shouldn't have eaten that donut"
>"ZzZzZzZ"
 
With all the Perturabo talk, I'm curious what you thought of ashes of the imperium. While I enjoyed how they appear to be setting up some animosity between Guiliman and Dorn, I wasn't a fan of what they did to Perturabo.

The book goes without mentioning him til the end, and then he has a speech that feels like it's out of nowhere talking about how he's now totally into demons and harnessing their power now even after watching his brothers fall to chaos and their demon legions fail on terra. I get that the whole theme of the book is that everyone is making the same mistakes again and nothing was learned, but it feels more like a cynical way to justify their legion doing more demon engines models in 40k.

Personally I think it would have been more interesting if Perturabo had stayed pure, even in the eye of terror, but have his sons be the ones to try and do more with the warp in the vain hope of impressing him. Having him watch the legion he tried to keep iron turn to rust over the years instead of just one day wake up like "I can control this chaos stuff even when all of my my brothers that tried to use even a little bit of it absolutely fell to the dark gods."
 
dezazlop said:
You got any pics for these contrast eyes? I've never seen it done like that. Might try it on some of the goblins i've been painting from AOS.
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I should clarify its more for eye lenses. However without a helmet to denote the lense, you could get away with it as glowing eyes, energy exuding etc. The contrast doesnt dry flat like regular paint so the depth and shape of the lense gives it detail.

Again, super lazy way.
 
An Old Salt said:
With all the Perturabo talk, I'm curious what you thought of ashes of the imperium. While I enjoyed how they appear to be setting up some animosity between Guiliman and Dorn, I wasn't a fan of what they did to Perturabo.

The book goes without mentioning him til the end, and then he has a speech that feels like it's out of nowhere talking about how he's now totally into demons and harnessing their power now even after watching his brothers fall to chaos and their demon legions fail on terra. I get that the whole theme of the book is that everyone is making the same mistakes again and nothing was learned, but it feels more like a cynical way to justify their legion doing more demon engines models in 40k.

Personally I think it would have been more interesting if Perturabo had stayed pure, even in the eye of terror, but have his sons be the ones to try and do more with the warp in the vain hope of impressing him. Having him watch the legion he tried to keep iron turn to rust over the years instead of just one day wake up like "I can control this chaos stuff even when all of my my brothers that tried to use even a little bit of it absolutely fell to the dark gods."
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It's kinda the problem with having to back-fill lore like they have. Perturabo would have to change at some point unless he just gives up and abandons his legion. Plus trapping daemons inside machines is still different than say... the word bearers and their galvorbak, the possession of torgaddon to make tormageddon, the world eaters and their stupid eightbound bullshit, or deathguard freely accepting the "gifts" of nurgle. I'd say it puts them more in line with thousand sons who try to enslave daemons with magic and shit(which occasionally backfires for obvious reasons), just with a more mechanical aspect to it.

It would also fit in with whatever they're trying to do with vashtorr without committing to doing dark mechanicum yet and still be a possible lead-in to that further down the road as well. At the end of the day, people will want Perturabo to have been doing something this entire time instead of just jerking off in a fortress somewhere like Lorgar who was at least hiding from Corax. It still won't be the same level of high speed whiplash as Horus turning against the emperor in the first few HH novels.
 
An Old Salt said:
Personally I think it would have been more interesting if Perturabo had stayed pure, even in the eye of terror, but have his sons be the ones to try and do more with the warp in the vain hope of impressing him. Having him watch the legion he tried to keep iron turn to rust over the years instead of just one day wake up like "I can control this chaos stuff even when all of my my brothers that tried to use even a little bit of it absolutely fell to the dark gods."
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Its subjective obviously but I actually like that aspect of Pert, that him and his legion seem to think that they're better than their brothers and have something to prove. In this case it's thinking that they're more capable of using the drug (demons) instead of being used by it, a prideful downfall.
 
Farm Hand said:
I also liked the dysfunction of the Imperium Secundus bunch, especially because of the antagonistic role the Lion had in it. Wanting to get in everyone else's business, yet also being immensely guarded when it comes to his own affairs. The loyalists at the Siege just don't have the time for that sort of entertaining squabbling.
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There's still plenty of it before the actual siege though. One of the short stories has the Custodes and the IF actually fight it out a bit over who has the authority to relocate an orbital plate.
 
An Old Salt said:
Personally I think it would have been more interesting if Perturabo had stayed pure, even in the eye of terror, but have his sons be the ones to try and do more with the warp in the vain hope of impressing him. Having him watch the legion he tried to keep iron turn to rust over the years instead of just one day wake up like "I can control this chaos stuff even when all of my my brothers that tried to use even a little bit of it absolutely fell to the dark gods."
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I also think it makes little sense for Perturabo being a chaos primarch.

The best story opportunity in 40k is to make him a supporter of Vashtorr, and let him ascend to be his main ally and daemon primarch of the newly minted 5th chaos god.

Them cutting a deal would be very interesting and could be a great book.

Perturabo just doesn't fit with any other chaos god or even chaos undivided.
 
Kyuruma said:
Its subjective obviously but I actually like that aspect of Pert, that him and his legion seem to think that they're better than their brothers and have something to prove. In this case it's thinking that they're more capable of using the drug (demons) instead of being used by it, a prideful downfall.
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Ironic seeing as how Lorgar and the Word Bearers are the only ones who can do that.
 
Farm Hand said:
You probably already know this as well, but you should be sure to prime your models too. GW just omits this from their absolute beginner paint kits and tutorials because it's a barrier to entry.
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I bought a grey primer and didn't use it for the first model as a kinda "Fuck it I want to see how hard it is to paint" kinda thing. I'm gonna prime the other two today and finish them tomorrow

dezazlop said:
They look great! You already got the hang of one of the hardest parts which is thinning your paints so it doesnt come out textured on your mini. One thing i'd recommend is to not re-paint these first new minis so you can keep them as a physical record of your first steps in the hobby.
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Yeah, My friend asked me if i'm just doing Marines and I basically just told him that I'm using them to practice painting and they're probably not going to be part of any army XD
 
Professor Donger said:
I need to get new glasses, I think, while I was painting i noticed that things were getting blury after a bit. I've had the same prescription for a while so it makes sense.
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Get a lamp you can maneuver around too. I found it really helps with painting instead of just using my overhead room bulb or painting on the side of a couch uncomfortably under a lamp.
 
An Old Salt said:
With all the Perturabo talk, I'm curious what you thought of ashes of the imperium. While I enjoyed how they appear to be setting up some animosity between Guiliman and Dorn, I wasn't a fan of what they did to Perturabo.

The book goes without mentioning him til the end, and then he has a speech that feels like it's out of nowhere talking about how he's now totally into demons and harnessing their power now even after watching his brothers fall to chaos and their demon legions fail on terra. I get that the whole theme of the book is that everyone is making the same mistakes again and nothing was learned, but it feels more like a cynical way to justify their legion doing more demon engines models in 40k.

Personally I think it would have been more interesting if Perturabo had stayed pure, even in the eye of terror, but have his sons be the ones to try and do more with the warp in the vain hope of impressing him. Having him watch the legion he tried to keep iron turn to rust over the years instead of just one day wake up like "I can control this chaos stuff even when all of my my brothers that tried to use even a little bit of it absolutely fell to the dark gods."
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I like it because it gets rid of the whole “NU-UH THEY HATE CHAOS!” argument.

Like Eidolon said to Mortarion, “the bill comes due,” you do not get to play around with the gifts when you want to and not pay the price.

Pert was using Volk, Pert was on the side of Horus, Pert was in proximity to Zardu’s hijinks and ordered them to be used, Pert razed worlds and he even set foot in the Eye.

He’s also dying, he has no choice and the alternatives aren’t even considered anymore, because he’s theirs now.
 
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Professor Donger said:
I'm thinking of getting a headlight since I use the kitchen table to paint
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Not a great idea. You'll have shadows bouncing around as your head moves. Seriously, one of those $20 ikea desk lamps or whatever equivalent(most department stores will have a cheap option for this, but something that just sits on or clamps to the edge of the table and lets you adjust where it points is what you're looking for) that can move the arm around to get light where you need it and stay put, and like people have said a day light(4500-5000k) LED bulb$10 for a 2 pack or something? they're cheap these days) will go a long way without needing some ridiculous $100+ "hobby light"(they're nice but they're just not necessary). Hell, get 2 and it's even better because you can eliminate more shadows and still cheap but that might be a bit much to have to move around since you're using the kitchen table instead of a dedicated space where you can just leave it.
 
p1138 said:
Not a great idea. You'll have shadows bouncing around as your head moves. Seriously, one of those $20 ikea desk lamps or whatever equivalent(most department stores will have a cheap option for this, but something that just sits on or clamps to the edge of the table and lets you adjust where it points is what you're looking for) that can move the arm around to get light where you need it and stay put, and like people have said a day light(4500-5000k) LED bulb$10 for a 2 pack or something? they're cheap these days) will go a long way without needing some ridiculous $100+ "hobby light"(they're nice but they're just not necessary). Hell, get 2 and it's even better because you can eliminate more shadows and still cheap but that might be a bit much to have to move around since you're using the kitchen table instead of a dedicated space where you can just leave it.
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I think I'm gonna go to hobby lobby and see what they have, I'm thinking of getting one of those headthings that come with a light that have a magnifying glass on it so I can actually paint the smaller details. Especially since I'm really enjoying the whole painting aspect of everything, it's very relaxing.
Edward Caesar Sallow said:
Good start. Are you planning to play Ultramarines, or are you painting what the kit came with?
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Right now I'm just painting what the kit came with, I may try ultramarines but I might want to do someone else later as well.
 
Professor Donger said:
Right now I'm just painting what the kit came with, I may try ultramarines but I might want to do someone else later as well.
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As someone who has been in the hobby, for a good 7 years, I highly recommend you do research into an army you want to play before settling on Ultramarines; not because of the memes, but because this is an expensive hobby. Make sure Space Marines are an army you want to paint, and Ultramarines are a subfaction you enjoy playing as, for the sake of your enjoyment.
 
Edward Caesar Sallow said:
As someone who has been in the hobby, for a good 7 years, I highly recommend you do research into an army you want to play before settling on Ultramarines; not because of the memes, but because this is an expensive hobby. Make sure Space Marines are an army you want to paint, and Ultramarines are a subfaction you enjoy playing as, for the sake of your enjoyment.
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Oh definitely, I'm gonna get a PDF of the core rulebook here in a bit, but I DO like Space Marines, I just like some of the other factions as well like the Guard or Chaos Space Marines
 
Professor Donger said:
Oh definitely, I'm gonna get a PDF of the core rulebook here in a bit, but I DO like Space Marines, I just like some of the other factions as well like the Guard or Chaos Space Marines
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If you like Space Marines and want a different faction, CSM play like their old playstyle, while Eldar play like their new playstyle (or the other way around if you think about it). Personally, the push to make SM units mono-utility, instead of them being a tough, jack-of-all trades is what made me go to CSM. You could also just play Heresy and be a loser like me.
 
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