Warhammer 40k

[Snekposter]

I directly addressed them. Kroot, vespid, etc. all qualify as "other races" along with humans all being third class citizens. They aren't enough of a thing on their own to accomplish anything and the imperium would just crush them, just as humans join because their position within the imperium was shit.

edit: Unless you think I believe the Kroot, the psychic whatevers, vespid, etc. could have a better time within the imperium than with the tau? Come on.

I was talking about "things that make the Tau grimdark and scary", which their auxiliaries do comprise a massive chunk of. "Join us or we'll sic the Kroot on you" has to have won more than a few converts to the Greater Good.

 

[Judge Dredd]

And somehow this shit isn't "grim" or "dark" enough?

And then there's the implication that they're rapidly approaching something akin to the dark age of technology. Iirc it was implied that Tau battlesuit pilots fall in love with their AI co-pilots and can't reintegrate into society. This was long before the real life "chat GPT girlfriend" thing was a reality.

As for auxiliaries. Mentioned a lot, but still salty they were dropped.

Oh yeah, can anyone direct me to some good power maul bits for Firstborn marines? I want to try kitbashing a Space Marine Field Police as a Chaplain proxy and he needs a good beating stick.

Yes and no.

There are various power weapons in the stargrave kits I have. The problem is they're mostly guard sized. And the mauls aren't really power mauls as there is no obvious wiring.

Another possible place to check might be WGA Agents, Civilians, and Operatives sets. Not got these myself yet, so don't know the loadouts.

Though by this point, it might be better to go GW or 3D, instead of buying these for 1 bit. A maul might be buildable, but not thought about it.

 

[p1138]

I was talking about "things that make the Tau grimdark and scary", which their auxiliaries do comprise a massive chunk of. "Join us or we'll sic the Kroot on you" has to have won more than a few converts to the Greater Good.

Ok I see what you're saying. Yeah, that's certainly another grim and/or possibly dark aspect of the tau.

And then there's the implication that they're rapidly approaching something akin to the dark age of technology. Iirc it was implied that Tau battlesuit pilots fall in love with their AI co-pilots and can't reintegrate into society. This was long before the real life "chat GPT girlfriend" thing was a reality.

As for auxiliaries. Mentioned a lot, but still salty they were dropped.

That and the fact that shit seems to fall apart or at least stall and stagnate without the involvement of the ethereals.

It's almost like Tau managed to end up being a weird fucking allegory for China's rapid acceleration into hyper capitalism while pretending they're communist, including their belt and road initiatives, while having their own issues of Han superiority, etc. While speedrunning their way into the problems humanity ran into before the imperium. Now I doubt GW intentionally did that, and it's also not 1:1 but I find it funny nonetheless since there's some similarities to be drawn and absolutely none of them are good.

So yeah, Tau are super fucked up if you look beyond the thin veneer of flash tech and "for the greater good" and have a brain that can understand more than "hurrdurr fish commies with gundams"

 

[Snekposter]

Ok I see what you're saying. Yeah, that's certainly another grim and/or possibly dark aspect of the tau.

That and the fact that shit seems to fall apart or at least stall and stagnate without the involvement of the ethereals.

It's almost like Tau managed to end up being a weird fucking allegory for China's rapid acceleration into hyper capitalism while pretending they're communist, including their belt and road initiatives, while having their own issues of Han superiority, etc. While speedrunning their way into the problems humanity ran into before the imperium. Now I doubt GW intentionally did that, and it's also not 1:1 but I find it funny nonetheless since there's some similarities to be drawn and absolutely none of them are good.

So yeah, Tau are super fucked up if you look beyond the thin veneer of flash tech and "for the greater good" and have a brain that can understand more than "hurrdurr fish commies with gundams"

And now, for a bit of levity:

 

[Farm Hand]

Leftists went from "their mocking you chud" to "they're secondaries who don't know the fluff" at astonishing speed

Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/c...video_made_by_the_creators_of_space_king_btw/

I don't need the Space King guys to get into it in their funny video, but what I would really like to see the "media literacy" people contend with is that the Imperium are the good guys because GW writes the Imperium as the good guys all the fucking time. Particularly in their Black Library stories, which are usually what people talk about when it comes to lore discussions, more so than whatever gets put into the various game books. Compare people's knowledge of the Horus Heresy novels to the lore that gets written in the Black Books and all the 30k game books since, plenty of which is never covered in novelization.

Regardless of the famously grimdark setting, people want to read stories about heroes and villains. So that's exactly what Black Library gives them, heroic protagonists battling against the worst people you can imagine, unspeakable horrors, and an abundance of existential threats to humanity. Even stories starring CSM and Traitor Legions seem to habitually have protagonists that are relatively nicer than their usual lot, even if it's just while they're story protagonists. Within the Horus Heresy, think of Argel Tal, Kharn, Sevatar, Argonis, Perturabo (Angel Exterminatus), and Mortarion (The Buried Dagger). Evil douchebag protagonists are often regulated to short stories where their douchiness can be tolerated by readers in short spurts.

Captain Lieutenant Captain Titus, the new brand ambassador of 40k, is a big damn hero. Roboute Guilliman, ruler of the Imperium, is a hero who's doing the best he can. That's what true "media literacy" imparts.

On one last note, I find it curious that the Black Library stories of conquests in the Great Crusade tend to be about genuinely liberating human civilizations from monstrous aliens that prey on them. Even when it comes to the Interex of Horus Rising, the tragedy everyone knows of peaceful coexistence with aliens that could have been if it wasn't for that douchebag Erebus, it has to be considered that the aliens in question were a subversion on behalf of Chaos. That's why they had that Chaos sword.

 

[FagDiddler]

which their auxiliaries do comprise a massive chunk of. "Join us or we'll sic the Kroot on you" has to have won more than a few converts to the Greater Good.

I wish the T'au leaned more into being an "alien federation". But beyond the Kroot and Vespid, what representation do other species get on the tabletop? How many species are there in lore? For the most part it looks like GW has made them the battle suit faction, and I can't help but feel a little disappointed at that. Building an army made up of all kinds of different aliens, with each species having their own niche in the roster would not only be cool for the T'au but also flesh out the place of Xenos in the wider setting.

New model releases could even be billed in lore as being new species joining the empire. "Hey this new unit? It's from a planet that was recently uplifted by the T'au. These other ones? Taken in as refugees after the rest of them were wiped out by the Imperium."

 

[p1138]

I wish the T'au leaned more into being an "alien federation". But beyond the Kroot and Vespid, what representation do other species get on the tabletop? How many species are there in lore? For the most part it looks like GW has made them the battle suit faction, and I can't help but feel a little disappointed at that. Building an army made up of all kinds of different aliens, with each species having their own niche in the roster would not only be cool for the T'au but also flesh out the place of Xenos in the wider setting.

New model releases could even be billed in lore as being new species joining the empire. "Hey this new unit? It's from a planet that was recently uplifted by the T'au. These other ones? Taken in as refugees after the rest of them were wiped out by the Imperium."

There's been at least a dozen species mentioned for tau. But only the vespid and kroot get any tabletop representation. Humans aren't even that hard to kitbash so I can see why they wouldn't bother, same with the demiurg that was just votann dwarfs. But those tarelian(I think that's the spelling?) dog soldiers act as mercenaries for tau and other groups as well, but finally got a model for... chaos space marines. At least now people can see what they're supposed to look like, and I'd expect some third party designers to come up with something eventually for proxies.

There's also a bunch of them that it wouldn't really even make sense to make models for in 40k, because they either just manufacture things or only function at the void fleet level. But there's still some that could take the place of a larger battlesuit and get a model as a melee option for the faction, or maybe a niccasar(one of the psyker space bear things) that could be in a containment vessel and provide a psyker option as a model.

 

[dezazlop]

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Finished painting the 3 minis. The one in the middle was the one I painted with citadel paints, the ones on the left and right I ended up using Army Painter paint.

I don't like the gold for the army painter, it's way too watery

The one on the left was the first one I used the gold on and it's uh, a mess.

You can always go back and paint over the places you got wrong with blue again. If anything given that the mini wasnt primed it might stick easier on the previous coat of paint.

Don't know where you are located at, but if you can get it the Vallejo Metal Color line is great and you can use it straight out of the pot.

And do not be a retard like me and buy the game/model line metallics, they suck ass and are the worst metallics ive ever used.

 

[Snekposter]

There's been at least a dozen species mentioned for tau. But only the vespid and kroot get any tabletop representation. Humans aren't even that hard to kitbash so I can see why they wouldn't bother, same with the demiurg that was just votann dwarfs. But those tarelian(I think that's the spelling?) dog soldiers act as mercenaries for tau and other groups as well, but finally got a model for... chaos space marines. At least now people can see what they're supposed to look like, and I'd expect some third party designers to come up with something eventually for proxies.

There's also a bunch of them that it wouldn't really even make sense to make models for in 40k, because they either just manufacture things or only function at the void fleet level. But there's still some that could take the place of a larger battlesuit and get a model as a melee option for the faction, or maybe a niccasar(one of the psyker space bear things) that could be in a containment vessel and provide a psyker option as a model.

Yeah, there's a lot that could be done to flesh them out instead of just trying to sell new battlesuit models. But alas, this is GW we are talking about. Frankly coming out with some neat Gue'vesa sheets designed so people could easily adapt existing IG models would be a relatively low-cost way to boost sales of those models and generate more interest, but alas, that might cut into their sales figures for Space Marines.

As to melee options, if GW were to just bite the bullet already and make the Farsight Enclaves a fully distinct faction instead of this "Well they're technically Tau" bullshit going on where they can't decide what to do with them a Farsight-only Crisis suit with a fuck-huge power sword on the arm would be a great and thematic choice for a heavy melee unit, and go hand-in-hand with the mecha inspiration given how common energy blades are in mecha shows.

 

[Mr Clark]

@Judge Dredd

Sisters if you are willing to expand on them. You can get another Combat Patrol and be in a great place. Only need to use the spindly guys if its Combat Patrol. Lots of people dont use them in bigger lists.

@Snekposter

Theyre too scared to split Tau like that. I can see them creating more detachments that are exclusive to one side or the other. Maybe a weird Tau super group like Imperium to ally in the auxiliaries?

 

[p1138]

Theyre too scared to split Tau like that. I can see them creating more detachments that are exclusive to one side or the other. Maybe a weird Tau super group like Imperium to ally in the auxiliaries?

@Snekposter Yeah I'm in agreement with Mr Clark here. Harlequins have never amounted to much while being split other than being the occasional stupid problem(like 9th edition nonsense that made GW require dedicated transports to actually be transporting something, which sucks for a lot of factions), or the other stupid eldar thing being Ynnari which is also usually mediocre or a broken mess with nothing inbetween.

GW still can't seem to get brood brothers right for IG with GSC either, which would be a decent way to get guevasa or demiurg infantry with a tau army but... then it would just be guard or votann and nothing tau looking unless you kitbashed it which you can already do with infantry and it isn't like tau need guard or votann tanks.

This is why I think going with the Thraxians as tougher infantry option, the Vorgh as a melee alternative to a riptide or stormsurge, or a Nicassar in some kind of pod the size of a riptide to provide psyker support would represent more of their auxiliaries without being a temporary thing that could just disappear after an edition and provide some unique options for the faction that don't already exist. Yes Farsight has a big ass sword but he's also one model.

That "twin lance" reveal for the upcoming tau models says something about them being a pair of combat veterans in crisis suits that specialize in "close range hit and run tactics" or whatever, but it's just more battlesuits with guns in a faction loaded up with battlesuits with guns. Instead kroot lost the great knarloc and knarloc riders which at least had some mediocre melee as a larger unit.

 

[Memerson]

all I want from the tau currently is a novel for Shas'O Kais, hopefully not by Phil Kelly

 

[winderson_silva]

meanwhile they "accept" other races basically only offering scraps for their troops and treating them as third class citizens

Funny thing, from what we see, the Tau don't usually treat their auxiliars as cannon fodder, in fact, they don't even go for the route of "let the natives handle their defense", instead installing Tau forces in the auxiliary planets, which comprise most of the defense in some cases.

plenty of which is never covered in novelization.

This is a thing I notice. You see people begging for a novelization on the return of Guilliman despite Rise of the Primarch telling the entire story. People mistake 40K as being a story instead of a setting, which is why they only focus on novels and ignore that the vast majority of lore remains on rulebooks and codexes.

 

[Mr Clark]

I discovered another case of GW not giving enough weapon choices in the box, Wraithlords.

I did the hard work of trying to pose them and find out in 2 boxes I have 2 Bright Lances to fit 4 weapon slots. Luckily I have 2 boxes of Storm Guardians giving me 2 spare but thats a joke. They expect you to take 2 different shoulder weapons? Plus flamers? Who tf does that?

I dont like that Sisters have this issue with 0 Multimeltas in the BSS box but Retributors are right there and Sisters share the same models across the range (kinda). Eldar share the same weapons BUT THEY BASICALLY TAKE ONLY BRIGHT LANCES OR THEY TAKE SHURIKEN CANNONS IF THEY CANT.

 

[Kharash]

I discovered another case of GW not giving enough weapon choices in the box, Wraithlords.

I did the hard work of trying to pose them and find out in 2 boxes I have 2 Bright Lances to fit 4 weapon slots. Luckily I have 2 boxes of Storm Guardians giving me 2 spare but thats a joke. They expect you to take 2 different shoulder weapons? Plus flamers? Who tf does that?

I dont like that Sisters have this issue with 0 Multimeltas in the BSS box but Retributors are right there and Sisters share the same models across the range (kinda). Eldar share the same weapons BUT THEY BASICALLY TAKE ONLY BRIGHT LANCES OR THEY TAKE SHURIKEN CANNONS IF THEY CANT.

And this is why units can only take the schizo loadouts that are in the box these days.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

GW just needs make more Necromunda / Heresy style weapon boxes for 40K. One for each faction and watch the sell out every time they're in stock. One thing that gets me despite its huge list of options the tactical squad still only comes with the missile launcher as it's only heavy weapons option.
I'm not paying nearly £40.00 to buy a box of devastators so my ten man space marine squad can use a friggin Lascannon.

 

[Humble Architect]

Here is another unit the World Eaters will not get.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

GW just needs make more Necromunda / Heresy style weapon boxes for 40K. One for each faction and watch the sell out every time they're in stock. One thing that gets me despite its huge list of options the tactical squad still only comes with the missile launcher as it's only heavy weapons option.
I'm not paying nearly £40.00 to buy a box of devastators so my ten man space marine squad can use a friggin Lascannon.

And that's exactly why GW is going for Primaris all having the same weapon for each unit. Not to make it easier for you to have options, but to prevent people from feeling shortchanged by having to buy another box for one weapon option.

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Here is another unit the World Eaters will not get.

These designers knock it out of the park. Really gives the feel of flesh and armor shaping and splitting to reveal ever-shifting weapons. Better than the long blades and stretchy flesh of the finecast models.

 

[Kantreal_pattern_lasgun]

To be fair, that's something GW writers keep flip flopping on.

Oh yeah, can anyone direct me to some good power maul bits for Firstborn marines? I want to try kitbashing a Space Marine Field Police as a Chaplain proxy and he needs a good beating stick.

The old forgeworld power weapons set for 30k has some. All good recasters will have it

 

[Humble Architect]

And that's exactly why GW is going for Primaris all having the same weapon for each unit. Not to make it easier for you to have options, but to prevent people from feeling shortchanged by having to buy another box for one weapon option.

These designers knock it out of the park. Really gives the feel of flesh and armor shaping and splitting to reveal ever-shifting weapons. Better than the long blades and stretchy flesh of the finecast models.

I’m just glad their asses aren’t hanging out, like the nu possessed and Shadowspear Oblits.

They’re learning, this is progress. Now just legends Eightbound and most of the DG range and we can get back on track.