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Why does he defend those that were happy to see him go?

Anyway, I think 3D printing is already a big cut. It is like a bushfire, and no doubt will leave the wargaming scene barren.

Gw moving away to leverage their IP kind of makes sense. Though I would rather go for vidya or anime and not shitty 3d animation.
 
HTTP Error 404 said:
Arch's take? All of GW's latest moves don't require Tabletop. Animation, Toys, Novels, Comic Books, a Subscription Service... hiring a Hasbro executive to handle all of this... while basically leaving the Tabletop to twist on the vine. What's the newest thing they have done for 40k of note? Primaris. Which is designed to be more normie (and 3D designer) friendly.

He thinks GW is trying to cash out of the market before 3D Printing eats their lunch. He thinks they're planning on being out of tabletop, at least nominally, in 10 years or so.
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I like the dudes lore videos, but god damn he has some dumb takes (The start of the recent Blizzard one is a good insight to how the public see 'antifeminists').

I don't see an executive from the companies that allowed the Brony ecosystem to exist the way it did trying to suppress community elements unless he was seriously going against the grain there.
 
Guntkvd said:
I'm still not sold on the whole 3d printing destroying gw thing. From what i saw it still looks like ruggedly shit.
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Uh, no. Not at all. The STLs are still hard to get and the end quality is 100% reliant on them, but if you do get a 1:1 STL and have a good SLA printer you can duplicate what GW puts out.

The problem is GW keeps taking a sledge hammer to the community modelers. But that's only slowing it down.

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And the 3D modelers once they get into more in depth stuff like Blender files instead of STL allow you to do insane shit. Like a fully poseable Primaris Intercessor.

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Or models that have the ability to turn on and off the extra bits like skulls and laurels and the like.

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Just wait till some smartass makes a randomizer for Firstborn Marines. Picks a random armor variant for the torso and legs, a random pose for the model, and then gives you a ready to print STL. Remember, for the most part the addons and doodads that separate Mk 2 through 8 can be implemented on a somewhat thinner base model, so that's definitely doable. That's coming in the next year or two, guaranteed.

Someone's already doing it with Terrain.

www.kickstarter.com

Unlimited Terrain Creator: Procedurally Generated 3D Models

Create your own amazing miniature terrain!
www.kickstarter.com www.kickstarter.com
 
HTTP Error 404 said:
Uh, no. Not at all. The STLs are still hard to get and the end quality is 100% reliant on them, but if you do get a 1:1 STL and have a good SLA printer you can duplicate what GW puts out.

The problem is GW keeps taking a sledge hammer to the community modelers. But that's only slowing it down.

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And the 3D modelers once they get into more in depth stuff like Blender files instead of STL allow you to do insane shit. Like a fully poseable Primaris Intercessor.

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Or models that have the ability to turn on and off the extra bits like skulls and laurels and the like.

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Just wait till some smartass makes a randomizer for Firstborn Marines. Picks a random armor variant for the torso and legs, a random pose for the model, and then gives you a ready to print STL. Remember, for the most part the addons and doodads that separate Mk 2 through 8 can be implemented on a somewhat thinner base model, so that's definitely doable. That's coming in the next year or two, guaranteed.

Someone's already doing it with Terrain.

www.kickstarter.com

Unlimited Terrain Creator: Procedurally Generated 3D Models

Create your own amazing miniature terrain!
www.kickstarter.com www.kickstarter.com
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My biggest problem is that a lot of those 3d modelers completely misunderstand Warhammer stylistics. Most of this shit looks like blizzard made it.
 
HTTP Error 404 said:
Arch's take? All of GW's latest moves don't require Tabletop. Animation, Toys, Novels, Comic Books, a Subscription Service... hiring a Hasbro executive to handle all of this... while basically leaving the Tabletop to twist on the vine. What's the newest thing they have done for 40k of note? Primaris. Which is designed to be more normie (and 3D designer) friendly.

He thinks GW is trying to cash out of the market before 3D Printing eats their lunch. He thinks they're planning on being out of tabletop, at least nominally, in 10 years or so.
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Another shitty arch take GW is the top miniature producer. On top of the fact GW can also glide by on paint sales too. While 3D printing will get cheaper and is amazing for bits (Most of the beakies you saw in my army were 3D printed). I still think GW will reign supreme on convince for lazy or newbie people.

I also think this is not the doing of the Hasbro guy. They understand autistic fandoms and know what it does to sales. This feels like a legal guy who worked there years and felt the need to start up old practices.

Forgetful Gynn said:
Nice lower receiver box, nice countertop, nice paint, nice basing, nice beakies, get a Hammerstrike.
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I was thinking of adding blade guard, impulsor, Apothecary, and maybe the bunker. That will be next year tops I got a custodes project I am working on with some nice gifts from Russia and then I’d like to do something AoS to finish the year.
 
If Netflix taught us anything, it's that people are happy to pay for something easy and legitimate, as long as it's not too unreasonably expensive.

Functionally, 3d printing plastic pieces of shit is something normal people have no interest in, until it can be used to make porn or something actually useful, it's gunna stay niche[ish].

If they were an entirely different company, I would say they could release (In the 3D printer magic future) STLs of a basic bitch imperial guard regiment, infantry & Leaman Russ Tanks, sell them some paints, and make that a foot in the door to the hobby (And sell some expensive paints)

Let people try out the hobby, let the veterans have a laugh dropping a few titans on the board and obliterating 4 newbies armies at once, and develop the same prestige around any GW model that exists around forgeworld stuff.

iceteayo said:
Another shitty arch take GW is the top miniature producer. On top of the fact GW can also glide by on paint sales too. While 3D printing will get cheaper and is amazing for bits (Most of the beakies you saw in my army were 3D printed). I still think GW will reign supreme on convince for lazy or newbie people.

I also think this is not the doing of the Hasbro guy. They understand autistic fandoms and know what it does to sales. This feels like a legal guy who worked there years and felt the need to start up old practices.
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I haven't looked too deeply into the Hasbro exec, but he is likely there for contacts and knowing how the industry goes. Transformers, MLP, GI Joe, Peppa Pig. All those movies and TV shows don't just appear out of nowhere, you need to know a lot of people, and GW wants to get in there, they need people who can navigate that industry.

Michael Bay doesn't just make 5 blockbuster movies about your autistic robot toy franchise because he feels like it.

(I am niggercattle, I love Michael Bay movies and would watch a 40k movie if he made one)
 
Michael Bay would need a lot of lore watching, even if he makes lovely explosions.

If I was GW, I would make my own 3d printing templates a custom format, not stl, so leaks wouldn't be that easy.
 
Male Idiot said:
3d printers are expensive but so is 40k.

If the printers become much cheaper...
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A 3d Printer of decent quality can set you back $400.
That's like 2 1/2 knights.... which you can then print for less than $20 in materials each.

But yeah, they should get cheaper in the future.
 
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Guntkvd said:
My biggest problem is that a lot of those 3d modelers completely misunderstand Warhammer stylistics. Most of this shit looks like blizzard made it.
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Well honestly it's up to you to choose which STLS you decide to use. Necrons and Nids have 1:1 copies. Many other factions have stuff that's either close to 1:1 in style, or you can go for a completely alternative design. For instance, there's some pretty close Cadian copies, but why the hell would I want to waste my printer on such a crap model anyways?

If you confine yourself to only looking at the go-to popular patreons, yeah, most of it is crap or just doesn't fit in. A prime example would be the Feudal Guard lineup from TMC.

Male Idiot said:
3d printers are expensive but so is 40k.

If the printers become much cheaper...
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Can only speak about the US, but they're extremely affordable. Even my $700 Epax E10 has made up for itself from just a single 2k Guard list.
 
Yeah but to USA, Forge World is affordable too. Until a good quality printer comes at 150 USD, it won't be affordable for Iron Curtain folks and even less for shithole countries.

700 USD is just not affordable to anyone to whom the money would make a difference. That's 2-3 months full salary to an average Igor.

Its easier to give GW 100 dollars every quarter year in your savings.
 
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vern said:
TTS is know on indefinite hiatus
TLDR alfabusa doesn't want to risk still making the series and doesn't think they can sell out to GW since the series doesn't fit their current brand.
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It's sad and all, but let's be realistic - for how long could they drag it, even with all the fanboyism in the world? It started 8+ years ago as just a couple of guys joking about the absurdity of the setting and has grown into something going parallel with the plot of the WH40k itself. It has clearly grown out of scope for just a bunch of amateurs. I could easily see them quitting in a couple of years anyway.
 
HTTP Error 404 said:
Arch's take? All of GW's latest moves don't require Tabletop. Animation, Toys, Novels, Comic Books, a Subscription Service... hiring a Hasbro executive to handle all of this... while basically leaving the Tabletop to twist on the vine. What's the newest thing they have done for 40k of note? Primaris. Which is designed to be more normie (and 3D designer) friendly.

He thinks GW is trying to cash out of the market before 3D Printing eats their lunch. He thinks they're planning on being out of tabletop, at least nominally, in 10 years or so.
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The argument doesn't make a lot of sense, especially as Arch talks about Primaris as the last new faction, disregarding custodes or the multitude of new units being released every few months. GW doesn't have a reason to think their dominance on models is going down, and it's most likely that expanding into animation has caused the company to need yo finally address fan animations as breach of copyright.

About 3d printing, there's not really a lot of reason to do it. If you play WH then it will bar you from stores, meaning you'll need your own private mancave for running games (and if you are competitive you can forget about it). If you paint models then you'd probably want something different if you go that route. And if you collect you'd want it all to be official.
 
Male Idiot said:
Yeah but to USA, Forge World is affordable too. Until a good quality printer comes at 150 USD, it won't be affordable for Iron Curtain folks and even less for shithole countries.

700 USD is just not affordable to anyone to whom the money would make a difference. That's 2-3 months full salary to an average Igor.

Its easier to give GW 100 dollars every quarter year in your savings.
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Well that was a more upper bracket example for how "bad" it can be. $500 Elegoo Saturn will give same quality @ same buildspace with...iffier...QC. Can get an Elegoo Mars 2 for same quality though less build space for only $200. This of course depends on if those prices translate to wherever you are. From my experience with East Europe in-laws, the answer is usually a flat "No".
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
The argument doesn't make a lot of sense, especially as Arch talks about Primaris as the last new faction, disregarding custodes or the multitude of new units being released every few months. GW doesn't have a reason to think their dominance on models is going down, and it's most likely that expanding into animation has caused the company to need yo finally address fan animations as breach of copyright.

About 3d printing, there's not really a lot of reason to do it. If you play WH then it will bar you from stores, meaning you'll need your own private mancave for running games (and if you are competitive you can forget about it). If you paint models then you'd probably want something different if you go that route. And if you collect you'd want it all to be official.
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Custodes isn't a new faction, though. The Burning of Prospero Box was October 22nd 2016. Not sure if Custodes figurines existed before then?

June 3rd, 2017 was Primaris alongside 8th edition. What's a new faction / release / whatnot since then for 40k? ... Beast Snaggas I guess?

I think his take can be summed up as "GW is hedging their bets with their IP." And that at least seems true. Recently they seemed to figure out that the 40k IP, having stolen all the good parts of every other scifi and fantasy IP, is pretty valuable, not just for tabletop and plastic crack, but comics, animations, vidya...
 
If GW doesn’t do anything with the massive youtuber push right now I doubt they ever will.

I do hope these youtubers start shilling Conquest last argument of kings though.
 
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