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Love_Machine011 said:
The Tsons and grey Knights codices are looking pretty blessed fellas. Flavorful and nothing that seems overly broken.
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Grey Knights need a bit of a model refresh. Not necessarily Primaris, but some new terminators and regular marines wouldn't hurt.

ZMOT said:
not everyone can or wants to jump through the hoops to do it, plus you need more than just the printer. I could set up an enclosure, but can't set up proper ventilation unless I re-arrange half the apartment, changing the window is out of the question, so it would mean I got to keep it open constantly, which would suck balls during the winter (never mind the heating costs), and I'd rather avoid going on a walk for hours while the print is running. not that much of a hater to poison myself just to stick it to some britbongs (they don't get any money from me anyway).
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If you're doing filament printing then it seems PLA is mostly safe while the others aren't. But for minis you'd probably want to go resin because it offers better detail.
Some types/brands of resins apparently have less odour. I've seen some discussions and reviews on it. Now whether that means there's less resin particles in the air or whether you're just not smelling them, I don't know.

One dude hooked up the printer to a filter
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But it seems the easier solution is ducktape, a tube and a window.
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But yeah it certainly is an unexpected additional hassle. That and the IPA you need to wash your minis, but you do get water washable resin
The water washable doesn't have such a strong odour apparently.
 
HTTP Error 404 said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OoNE4VzVdHU
It begins.
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Man, Arch is really spiraling into conspiratorial retardation with his grand theory that GW is planning to shut down their tabletop business to go exclusively multimedia & IP. Get a grip, 3D printing isn't killing GW just like how internet piracy hasn't killed film. I wish Nick was more aware of the tabletop side of GW and how well they've been doing financially so that he could push back against that nonsense from Arch.
 
iceteayo said:
What would you want in the Custodes codex when it comes?
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Better incorporation of sisters
Super obsec
Adjusted stats to account for all the ap and wounds running around. (5 wound terminators)
Shieldhosts fleshed out
Wardens reworked(allow them spears +shields?)
Perhaps valdor and his nulls as my dream pick for new models.
 
Love_Machine011 said:
Better incorporation of sisters
Super obsec
Adjusted stats to account for all the ap and wounds running around. (5 wound terminators)
Shieldhosts fleshed out
Wardens reworked(allow them spears +shields?)
Perhaps valdor and his nulls as my dream pick for new models.
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Im gonna do Shadow keepers who are apparently one of the top Shield hosts right now? I hope they keep the Venatari storm shield save though people seem to go full bikes or dreadnoughts with custodes the Venatari are often forgotten but their stats for a jump pack unit are bonkers.
 
iceteayo said:
Im gonna do Shadow keepers who are apparently one of the top Shield hosts right now? I hope they keep the Venatari storm shield save though people seem to go full bikes or dreadnoughts with custodes the Venatari are often forgotten but their stats for a jump pack unit are bonkers.
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Venatari are one of the best custodes units right now with bucklers and pistols. Shadow keepers are technically the best, but ultimately it's like, whatever.
 
Alter Ego said:
Man, Arch is really spiraling into conspiratorial retardation with his grand theory that GW is planning to shut down their tabletop business to go exclusively multimedia & IP. Get a grip, 3D printing isn't killing GW just like how internet piracy hasn't killed film. I wish Nick was more aware of the tabletop side of GW and how well they've been doing financially so that he could push back against that nonsense from Arch.
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It's not a completely insane theory. There's significantly more money to be made outside of model than just focussing on models.

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Covid has been very good for them netting 353 million pounds or 490 million dollars in revenue... Now I'm a simple man, all kinds of fancy business terms just go right over my head, but at least I have some idea of revenue and profit (man their operating costs are pretty high, but lets just ignore their profits everyone else seem to do that when discussion how well their doing).

Lets look at the Capeshit movies https://www.forbes.com/sites/travis...nked-at-the-box-office-including-black-widow/
  1. Avengers: Endgame ($2.792 billion)
  2. Avengers: Infinity War ($2.048 billion)
  3. The Avengers ($1.519 billion)
  4. Avengers: Age of Ultron ($1.405 billion)
  5. Black Panther ($1.347 billion)
  6. Iron Man 3 ($1.215 billion)
  7. Captain America: Civil War ($1.153 billion)
  8. Captain Marvel ($1.128 billion)
  9. Spider-Man: Far From Home ($988 million)
  10. Spider-Man: Homecoming ($880.2 million)
  11. Thor: Ragnarok ($854 million)
  12. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 ($863.8 million)
  13. Guardians of the Galaxy ($773.3 million)
  14. Captain America: The Winter Soldier ($714.3 million)
  15. Doctor Strange ($677.7 million)
  16. Thor: The Dark World ($644.6 million)
  17. Ant-Man and the Wasp ($622.7 million)
  18. Iron Man 2 ($623.9 million)
  19. Iron Man ($585.2 million)
  20. Ant-Man ($519.3 million)
  21. Thor ($449.3 million)
  22. Captain America: The First Avenger ($370.6 million)
Now this is the global box-office. So marketing costs are excluded, and I believe it doesn't consider how much money the cinema takes. Still we see very large number here, easily comparable to those of GW.

For more comparisons lets look at Games of Thrones the TV series https://www.finance-monthly.com/2019/05/how-much-money-has-hbo-made-from-game-of-thrones/
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So for the last few seasons they were making around (give or take tens of millions of dollars!) game of thrones money.
Now obviously this is not to say that if they make a 40K TV series that it will make Game of Thrones money, but it does help to establish that there is money to be made.

Now looking at video games is a bit tricky. I can get some info on the franchises which isn't a fair comparison as it is lifetime, so the closest is probably then companies like EA and Activision

Electronic Arts Reports Q4 and Full Year FY20 Financial Results

Electronic Arts Inc . (NASDAQ: EA) today announced preliminary financial results for its fiscal fourth quarter and full year ended March 31, 2020. News and ongoing updates regarding EA and its games are available on EA’s blog at www.ea.com/news. “We’re humbled to see people around the world...
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investor.activision.com

Activision Blizzard | Activision Blizzard Announces Fourth-Quarter and 2020 Financial Results

The Investor Relations website contains information about Activision Blizzard's business for stockholders, potential investors, and financial analysts.
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Now it's not necessarily a wildly unfair comparison, saying that the entire operations of GW over a full year makes less money than a single Marvel movie is also technically unfair, but it's unfair to the advantage of GW, while a comparison to a EA or Activision is maybe more apples to apples (as it is company to company) I do feel the comparison is open to a lot of "yeah but..." arguments.
So lets agree that these financial results show us that there's a lot more money in video games than in table top? That shouldn't be too controversial I hope (but I would have liked a profit margin for a couple of recently released games... but my google-fu is weak).


So anyway Arch might be wildly conspiratorial about it, but at the same time it would be strange for GW to not be looking at how to make more money on multimedia and IP since there's significantly more money to be made. In fact isn't Warhammer+ not exactly that, GW trying to expand into multimedia? Well it all depends on how well it goes... if it is wildly successful I think it is safe to say they'll probably trying going even bigger.

Now if Arch was saying that GW plans to shut down all their factories in 5 years and purely focus on making movies and series then yeah that would be retarded of him. Although I don't think that's what he was saying, I believe he was guessing that in the next 5 years (5 - 10 maybe?) that their sales would not simply keep climbing forever (he proposed 3D printing as a mechanism that could lead to lower sales) and that their model sales might even start to dip, and that GW is trying to orientate themselves away from being a model company to being a IP company and that they'll try to entice a Disney or a Hasbro into licensing or buying their IP (although I am now purely going off of memory here since the steam was kinda shitty and I don't want to watch it again).
 
I (Don't) Have A Gun said:
It's not a completely insane theory. There's significantly more money to be made outside of model than just focussing on models.

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Covid has been very good for them netting 353 million pounds or 490 million dollars in revenue... Now I'm a simple man, all kinds of fancy business terms just go right over my head, but at least I have some idea of revenue and profit (man their operating costs are pretty high, but lets just ignore their profits everyone else seem to do that when discussion how well their doing).

Lets look at the Capeshit movies https://www.forbes.com/sites/travis...nked-at-the-box-office-including-black-widow/
  1. Avengers: Endgame ($2.792 billion)
  2. Avengers: Infinity War ($2.048 billion)
  3. The Avengers ($1.519 billion)
  4. Avengers: Age of Ultron ($1.405 billion)
  5. Black Panther ($1.347 billion)
  6. Iron Man 3 ($1.215 billion)
  7. Captain America: Civil War ($1.153 billion)
  8. Captain Marvel ($1.128 billion)
  9. Spider-Man: Far From Home ($988 million)
  10. Spider-Man: Homecoming ($880.2 million)
  11. Thor: Ragnarok ($854 million)
  12. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 ($863.8 million)
  13. Guardians of the Galaxy ($773.3 million)
  14. Captain America: The Winter Soldier ($714.3 million)
  15. Doctor Strange ($677.7 million)
  16. Thor: The Dark World ($644.6 million)
  17. Ant-Man and the Wasp ($622.7 million)
  18. Iron Man 2 ($623.9 million)
  19. Iron Man ($585.2 million)
  20. Ant-Man ($519.3 million)
  21. Thor ($449.3 million)
  22. Captain America: The First Avenger ($370.6 million)
Now this is the global box-office. So marketing costs are excluded, and I believe it doesn't consider how much money the cinema takes. Still we see very large number here, easily comparable to those of GW.

For more comparisons lets look at Games of Thrones the TV series https://www.finance-monthly.com/2019/05/how-much-money-has-hbo-made-from-game-of-thrones/
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So for the last few seasons they were making around (give or take tens of millions of dollars!) game of thrones money.
Now obviously this is not to say that if they make a 40K TV series that it will make Game of Thrones money, but it does help to establish that there is money to be made.

Now looking at video games is a bit tricky. I can get some info on the franchises which isn't a fair comparison as it is lifetime, so the closest is probably then companies like EA and Activision

Electronic Arts Reports Q4 and Full Year FY20 Financial Results

Electronic Arts Inc . (NASDAQ: EA) today announced preliminary financial results for its fiscal fourth quarter and full year ended March 31, 2020. News and ongoing updates regarding EA and its games are available on EA’s blog at www.ea.com/news. “We’re humbled to see people around the world...
ir.ea.com ir.ea.com
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investor.activision.com

Activision Blizzard | Activision Blizzard Announces Fourth-Quarter and 2020 Financial Results

The Investor Relations website contains information about Activision Blizzard's business for stockholders, potential investors, and financial analysts.
investor.activision.com investor.activision.com
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Now it's not necessarily a wildly unfair comparison, saying that the entire operations of GW over a full year makes less money than a single Marvel movie is also technically unfair, but it's unfair to the advantage of GW, while a comparison to a EA or Activision is maybe more apples to apples (as it is company to company) I do feel the comparison is open to a lot of "yeah but..." arguments.
So lets agree that these financial results show us that there's a lot more money in video games than in table top? That shouldn't be too controversial I hope (but I would have liked a profit margin for a couple of recently released games... but my google-fu is weak).


So anyway Arch might be wildly conspiratorial about it, but at the same time it would be strange for GW to not be looking at how to make more money on multimedia and IP since there's significantly more money to be made. In fact isn't Warhammer+ not exactly that, GW trying to expand into multimedia? Well it all depends on how well it goes... if it is wildly successful I think it is safe to say they'll probably trying going even bigger.

Now if Arch was saying that GW plans to shut down all their factories in 5 years and purely focus on making movies and series then yeah that would be retarded of him. Although I don't think that's what he was saying, I believe he was guessing that in the next 5 years (5 - 10 maybe?) that their sales would not simply keep climbing forever (he proposed 3D printing as a mechanism that could lead to lower sales) and that their model sales might even start to dip, and that GW is trying to orientate themselves away from being a model company to being a IP company and that they'll try to entice a Disney or a Hasbro into licensing or buying their IP (although I am now purely going off of memory here since the steam was kinda shitty and I don't want to watch it again).
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Using movies or video game sales when comparing GW is kind of dumb imo. In a table top sense GW are the current big dogs while yes they want to get into animations thats clearly a stacked market and they know it they mostly want to test shit out and see where it goes. Its clueless to say "GW will drop table top entirely to market an IP" maybe ill eat my words in 5 years if 3D print does become that more advanced but GW themselves have people tinkering with 3D printers too. They just wanna diversify their profits like most companies remember like in the 80s GW had their own fucking record label.

Also I just looked up Hexfire has sold out already sooooo the boycott didnt work I guess. The true consoomers of Warhammer will always be hobbyists the people who care about the IP (lore, animations, and video games) do not really give much to money to GW and after recent events I doubt they will but they barely supported GW as is.
 
iceteayo said:
Also I just looked up Hexfire has sold out already sooooo the boycott didnt work I guess.
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Well it never was going to, it's plastic crack after all.
I am a bit surprised that the box sold out (granted GW always under produces but still). Sure new rules are nice but it we look at the box itself

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Only two new character models that will definitely get their own box releases and then the rest of the models are stuff you could already get. The Grey Knight side is a the weakest part since it's still their old models. The 1000 Sons side is a bit better better value, the Terminators are a bit newer and I think you still need to buy the Tzaangor pistol/chainsword upgrade separately (as a webstore exclusive item no less).

Maybe there's a lot of people who are willing to split the box? It's a really good saving then at least, the Dreadknight is $60, the Strike squad is $60 and then there's the character which going of usual prices could easily be around $40, so that's easily $160 just on the GK side (box price being $170). The 1000 Sons are $60 for the terminators, $44 for the Tzaangors, $12.50 for their upgrade...no wait the upgrade is only for 5 Tzaangors, so that actually $25 since there's 10 of them, and then a character that I guess might also be around $40 oh and a Tzaangor shaman for $35 so that's $204.
 
I (Don't) Have A Gun said:
It's not a completely insane theory. There's significantly more money to be made outside of model than just focussing on models.

View attachment 2422359
View attachment 2422364

Covid has been very good for them netting 353 million pounds or 490 million dollars in revenue... Now I'm a simple man, all kinds of fancy business terms just go right over my head, but at least I have some idea of revenue and profit (man their operating costs are pretty high, but lets just ignore their profits everyone else seem to do that when discussion how well their doing).

Lets look at the Capeshit movies https://www.forbes.com/sites/travis...nked-at-the-box-office-including-black-widow/
  1. Avengers: Endgame ($2.792 billion)
  2. Avengers: Infinity War ($2.048 billion)
  3. The Avengers ($1.519 billion)
  4. Avengers: Age of Ultron ($1.405 billion)
  5. Black Panther ($1.347 billion)
  6. Iron Man 3 ($1.215 billion)
  7. Captain America: Civil War ($1.153 billion)
  8. Captain Marvel ($1.128 billion)
  9. Spider-Man: Far From Home ($988 million)
  10. Spider-Man: Homecoming ($880.2 million)
  11. Thor: Ragnarok ($854 million)
  12. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 ($863.8 million)
  13. Guardians of the Galaxy ($773.3 million)
  14. Captain America: The Winter Soldier ($714.3 million)
  15. Doctor Strange ($677.7 million)
  16. Thor: The Dark World ($644.6 million)
  17. Ant-Man and the Wasp ($622.7 million)
  18. Iron Man 2 ($623.9 million)
  19. Iron Man ($585.2 million)
  20. Ant-Man ($519.3 million)
  21. Thor ($449.3 million)
  22. Captain America: The First Avenger ($370.6 million)
Now this is the global box-office. So marketing costs are excluded, and I believe it doesn't consider how much money the cinema takes. Still we see very large number here, easily comparable to those of GW.

For more comparisons lets look at Games of Thrones the TV series https://www.finance-monthly.com/2019/05/how-much-money-has-hbo-made-from-game-of-thrones/
View attachment 2422505
So for the last few seasons they were making around (give or take tens of millions of dollars!) game of thrones money.
Now obviously this is not to say that if they make a 40K TV series that it will make Game of Thrones money, but it does help to establish that there is money to be made.

Now looking at video games is a bit tricky. I can get some info on the franchises which isn't a fair comparison as it is lifetime, so the closest is probably then companies like EA and Activision

Electronic Arts Reports Q4 and Full Year FY20 Financial Results

Electronic Arts Inc . (NASDAQ: EA) today announced preliminary financial results for its fiscal fourth quarter and full year ended March 31, 2020. News and ongoing updates regarding EA and its games are available on EA’s blog at www.ea.com/news. “We’re humbled to see people around the world...
ir.ea.com ir.ea.com
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investor.activision.com

Activision Blizzard | Activision Blizzard Announces Fourth-Quarter and 2020 Financial Results

The Investor Relations website contains information about Activision Blizzard's business for stockholders, potential investors, and financial analysts.
investor.activision.com investor.activision.com
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Now it's not necessarily a wildly unfair comparison, saying that the entire operations of GW over a full year makes less money than a single Marvel movie is also technically unfair, but it's unfair to the advantage of GW, while a comparison to a EA or Activision is maybe more apples to apples (as it is company to company) I do feel the comparison is open to a lot of "yeah but..." arguments.
So lets agree that these financial results show us that there's a lot more money in video games than in table top? That shouldn't be too controversial I hope (but I would have liked a profit margin for a couple of recently released games... but my google-fu is weak).


So anyway Arch might be wildly conspiratorial about it, but at the same time it would be strange for GW to not be looking at how to make more money on multimedia and IP since there's significantly more money to be made. In fact isn't Warhammer+ not exactly that, GW trying to expand into multimedia? Well it all depends on how well it goes... if it is wildly successful I think it is safe to say they'll probably trying going even bigger.

Now if Arch was saying that GW plans to shut down all their factories in 5 years and purely focus on making movies and series then yeah that would be retarded of him. Although I don't think that's what he was saying, I believe he was guessing that in the next 5 years (5 - 10 maybe?) that their sales would not simply keep climbing forever (he proposed 3D printing as a mechanism that could lead to lower sales) and that their model sales might even start to dip, and that GW is trying to orientate themselves away from being a model company to being a IP company and that they'll try to entice a Disney or a Hasbro into licensing or buying their IP (although I am now purely going off of memory here since the steam was kinda shitty and I don't want to watch it again).
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Of course GW is invested in expanding their IP, but it's nonsense to believe that they will shut down their tabletop business in the process. In fact, GW's partial intention in expanding their IP is to facilitate consumers towards their proper tabletop games.

For example, later in the stream, Nick showed off his box of Space Marine Adventures, a simple board game that can be found at big-box retail stores. It comes with a handful of Space Marine models that come straight from the Space Marine Heroes collectible line and are scaled for 40k. Though Nick and Arch aren't savvy enough to realize it, it's obvious that GW intends for the board game to act as an entry point with the enticing message, "Hey kid, think these models look cool? Well we got an entire game and hobby that's full of them!"
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Love_Machine011 said:
bro but the brrr memes are so funny!
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they certainly are, so at least we got something to laugh at while sperging

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I (Don't) Have A Gun said:
If you're doing filament printing then it seems PLA is mostly safe while the others aren't. But for minis you'd probably want to go resin because it offers better detail.
Some types/brands of resins apparently have less odour. I've seen some discussions and reviews on it. Now whether that means there's less resin particles in the air or whether you're just not smelling them, I don't know.
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PLA is mostly natural stuff (no idea about PLA+), that's where the "healthy" comes from, but in the end so are certain mushrooms. personally I like it because it's bio-degradable, you can theoretically throw it out and it will just dissolve over time. ABS a basically lego, and anyone who ever held a lighter to plastic knows what that's like. it was used a lot in the beginning, but apparently gets used less and less for the requirements alone (higher melting point, needs a heated encasing to prevent warping etc).
PLAs problem is that it's transition temperature (point it starting to get soft) is lower too, to the point a car parked in the sun during summer can have an effect on it. being biodegradable also means you have to take preventive measures depending where you want to use it, but should matter less for terrain (unless you put them in an oven or standing in the sun).
there are some more and newer materials (like nylon and PETG), but haven't really looking into those since I wouldn't really use them anyway. FDM is still great for the price of the material and the options, resin is basically limited to minis and jewelry. so if you want terrain or big pieces FDM is usually cheaper.

resin is toxic in liquid form and you certainly don't wanna breath it in or worse rub it into your eye, it most likely won't kill you but cause irritation and allergic reactions after a while, more for some than others etc.
most annoying part when it comes to resin that there really aren't conclusive long term observations, instead you get legit shit like a university study where they dump it into a fish tank to prove that it's toxic when the label literally tells you not to. yes, someone paid money for "it's bad when handled wrong", what a conclusion.

there are some bio-resins which apparently produce less toxic VOCs and are better for the environment, but there's only a few and they're usually more expensive.
another reason I haven't jumped into resin printing yet is that the process is still way too annoying and wasteful in general for me. all those gloves and broken off supports have to go somewhere, and you gotta pay for it just to throw it away.
gonna have to wait and see how they improve the resin (which only works to a certain degree considering the process requirement) or a different process altogether like inkjet printing (patented so prolly never) or SLS.
 
ZMOT said:
all those gloves and broken off supports have to go somewhere, and you gotta pay for it just to throw it away.
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Support waste is an extreme afterthought. Like, even with that and waste resin factored in it's still a fraction of what an actual model would cost. Print a necron warrior for $0.08 ($0.10 tops) compared to $4.50/model (or down to $2.30 or so on ebay) for a real one.

Though yes, you have to already be interested in the process as a hobby. Nobody is going to be like "I want to play Warhammer for cheap!" and then go buy a printer and have models 5 hours later. That's how you get like my friend who bought a used Mars on a whim, and then was dismayed to find out yes, you actually DO need to learn how supports and stuff work.
 
Anyone got a decent source for minis for Undead/Vampire Counts? Particularly interested in skeletons/bats/wraiths. Im leaning towards picking up some Mantic skeletons and am not entirely impressed with Atlantic's stuff, since it looks more Hellenic than anything.
 
Still Anonymous For This said:
Anyone got a decent source for minis for Undead/Vampire Counts? Particularly interested in skeletons/bats/wraiths. Im leaning towards picking up some Mantic skeletons and am not entirely impressed with Atlantic's stuff, since it looks more Hellenic than anything.
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Highland do great Vampire Counts. Give them a look.
 
sticking the dreadknights legs onto a redemptor actually doesnt look....that bad.
 
Still Anonymous For This said:
Anyone got a decent source for minis for Undead/Vampire Counts? Particularly interested in skeletons/bats/wraiths. Im leaning towards picking up some Mantic skeletons and am not entirely impressed with Atlantic's stuff, since it looks more Hellenic than anything.
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Check out what myminifactory has if you have a decent 3d/ resin printer. If you don't check and see if your local libraries have one.
 
Forgetful Gynn said:
I'm hoping it shakes out to be decent, I just don't want to sit next to the stinky tau on the tier list anymore.
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tau are bad because they dont have updated rules and the games scoring pretty much completely changed in a way that fucked them.
 
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