Warriors / Erin Hunter - Frustrating Characters

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Draaq

Draaq

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The „Warriors“ Series or „Warrior Cats“ is a very popular book series by Erin Hunter that many of you probably heard or even read.

I opened this thread to openly talk about it, as I see many flaws as well as goods with the series that you can’t address without the fandom biting- and burning you in the oven.

For any lovers or non-likers to the witnessing strangers, what are your thoughts?

Including “those are too many books and too many characters and copy of characters and way too many uninteresting characters and-“
I loved the series when I was younger, but when I read it again it just annoys the hell out of me how frustrating the characters often are.
The especially interesting ones get left out, but I’m happy there are so many YouTube animations for every character that explore the potential Erins left to die for their Mary sues and Gary Stus. God I hate Firestar. And Graystripe was so godly annoying with his Silverstream it was the most frustrating thing I’ve ever read. Also Bluestar snapping at the fifth book was so stupid as well, like, I read her Special Edition and she should saw it coming brighter than the sun. Plus she was warned so many, many times, and the red flags…
I just can’t.
The only books I could really enjoy were fourth and fifth arc and the special editions, though fourth arc had its also a bit frustrating issues.
 
I mean aren't these books for children? My sibling's brat reads these. It's probably not meat to hold up to scrutiny so relax.
 
The Shadow said:
I mean aren't these books for children? My sibling's brat reads these. It's probably not meat to hold up to scrutiny so relax.
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Basically, but the books are bri'ish authored stories about feral animals so its full of death, violence and gore.
The two goriest things I remember were when one of the main side characters girlfriend bleeds to death after giving birth and its described pretty grousumely, the other was when the main villain gets their entire torso slashed open by the edgy new villian that gets introduced in the final book of the main series.
 
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@Bec
I remember that. Tigerstar (the one that gets killed) has undergone the ritual to receive his extra lives (for the unaware, each cat-clan's leader gets 9 lives from cat-ancestor-heaven, which is actually a sub-level of super-cat-ancestor heaven but let's not get into that) and Scourge (edgy stray cat villain) guts him so hard that he dies nine times over.
 
I’m just annoyed how many older people read it and praise it to hell when it‘s written so terrible.
I barely could read the most frustrating third arc which I wanted to send flying every time a sentence started. The main characters are always so fucking arrogant, like, Firestar, the very main character since the first series, always has to butt in to every clans problem even though he’s not the leader and all the clans bow to him because he is the main character. Later at some point cats receive special powers from their ancestors and of course it’s the main characters clan ThunderClan! The other clans don’t exist at all! Wohoo for ThunderClan.
 
The only Warriors series worth reading are Series 1 and Dawn of the Clans. Everything beyond those are unrelentingly boring.
 
Muttnik said:
The only Warriors series worth reading are Series 1 and Dawn of the Clans. Everything beyond those are unrelentingly boring.
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I will defend dawn of the clans with my life. The rest - annoying cash grab frustration.
 
Muttnik said:
Dawn of the Clans was the only time the series was genuinely emotional. Probably because it had the benefit of a unique protagonist with an actual personality.
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I honestly cried at the very end, no book did that to me before.

Firestar is a Gary Stu that everyone loves and wants, Brambleclaw is even worse to the point actual fans don’t like him, Jayfeather is the only okay protagonist in the third series (Lionblaze is shit), Dovewing is a whiny-woowo with Ivypool being decent, and visions of shadow has the most blank protagonists of the whole series, to the point they’re forgotten by the community after the broken code started.
I always cheer with the villains who want to kill the main character because to be true I want them to die too. Even if most of the villains are kind of shoved away because of course the audience will hate them, no, nobody does. I love how in Dawn of the clans were for the first time actual deep interesting characters who were not clearly good or evil, but all gray and realistic.

I’m sorry for all the interesting left out characters, because all of the Novellas are horribly written, even worse than the books. Spottedleafs heart, eh… Mapleshade.
The special editions is the most best books you can call next to dawn of the clans I think.
 
FFinfo said:
@Bec
I remember that. Tigerstar (the one that gets killed) has undergone the ritual to receive his extra lives (for the unaware, each cat-clan's leader gets 9 lives from cat-ancestor-heaven, which is actually a sub-level of super-cat-ancestor heaven but let's not get into that) and Scourge (edgy stray cat villain) guts him so hard that he dies nine times over.
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Yup
 
To tell you the truth I didn't really get into that world but I've seen so much of that fandom that I know enough about what it's about.
I would say that it caught my attention and more when I had finished reading WD, although I was surprised to learn that it was more than 6 books.
I like reading, but to dedicate myself to read 6 books of a single saga...no thanks. Besides, how much can you tell about the life of feral cats in the woods?
And in general I feel that these books also fall into the category of the same animal fantasy story we are used to seeing.
 
Fluffiesaur said:
To tell you the truth I didn't really get into that world but I've seen so much of that fandom that I know enough about what it's about.
I would say that it caught my attention and more when I had finished reading WD, although I was surprised to learn that it was more than 6 books.
I like reading, but to dedicate myself to read 6 books of a single saga...no thanks. Besides, how much can you tell about the life of feral cats in the woods?
And in general I feel that these books also fall into the category of the same animal fantasy story we are used to seeing.
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So in the second (the worst arc), they search for a new home because their old is destroyed.
In the third they ran out of ideas and decided to give two cats powers, one to be invincible and one to wander in ones dreams and thoughts.
In the fourth it is more complicated but overall a good arc to me, that goes a bit deeper than the others.
The fifth is the best, where it tells how the clans began and so on.
The sixth is holy mediocre, even the fans don’t have much to say about it.
The seventh, broken code, they ran so very much out of ideas that they reintroduced the hell of cats again which was defeated in the fourth arc, and the hell then impostered the leader of thunder clan and bruh I don’t even care to read.
 
The books are just standard corporate kids shit. The fandom is absolutely fucking cancerous. They all hate the current books/don't read the series, but are obsessed with being in the fandom. I know the farms doesn't allow fandom threads but I bump into their twitter drama now and again and today's fight seems to be a repeat of recent 'racism in the books'. discussions. You see, a book based loosely off the English New Forest is clearly racist against Indigenous Americans and is anti Native American because... well it just is, don't ask us what the actual problems are with the books just listen to native voices!! Problem is, half the fandom is 18-30 year old white americans all trying to make the Next Big Problem to get them recognised, as is with many fandoms/groups. Everyone rushed to leave the fandom and vowed to never touch it again for about 6 hours until the narrative became 'actually indigenous artists didn't start this it was whitey again but you should really listen to indigenous artists' so everyone came back. This led to the cancelling of a multi-animator project with a tropical theme this week- the og tweet was deleted but the complaint was the tropical theme and use of skulls/savage imagery was offensive to Pacific Islanders - so people dropped out the map before common sense kicked in again and people realised this was BS and it was just people cancelling shit again and cancelling it is actually the real racism.. The fandom is constantly having these fights over race and English Cat Books (who are very likely based off scottish Clans) being anti-Native American because it uses literary tropes found in every story ever and the term medicine cat/Clan/warrior/having names change throughout a cats life is offensive. Anyone who's seen the SJW art thread has seen the copious amounts of lgbtqia++ that gets made, and the catfights over someone's favourite yellow cat not being gay or whatever (tho the main author did write fanfic of the protagonist and his best friend) but that's standard modern fandom bs.
In terms of specific 'lolcows' there's Draikinator who sent furry porn to a minor after being called a slug and led to massive fallout. Some squeaky yank who made an hour long video why a relationship in the books is super mega abusive please take me seriously and started a huge, still ongoing, fight. The authors aren't much better. One of the authors was 'outed' as a terf and got kicked off the writing team by the fandom. (the person who started the callout later got the cancel spotlight on them for harbouring a terf under the floorboards in their discord). The team seem to be aware of the fandom and it leads to some funny moments (like the authors fanfic). One big complaint was that the one villain (Thistleclaw) didn't actually do anything wrong and people liked him, so to fix this, the writing team canonised him as a pedo who lusts after kittens. Not the kinda thing you should write in books meant for 9 year olds. The whole fandom is standard twitter-lefty 'smash capitalism' types clinging to their childhood books and the authors still manage to collect a fat check from them almost three times a year. Who knew talking cats would be such a hustle. There's plenty more cat autism but this is already too long.
 
Heh, Erin Hunter. Now that's a name I haven't heard in a loooooonng time.

Read the books growing up. Tried to go back to them when I was about 18 for nostalgia and couldn't stomach any of them. The two authors behind the series always use works like "meow", "yowl" and "hiss" to replace the word "said". Wouldn't be bad if it was used every so often to help flavour the prose, but it was hard to find a sentence without one of those three adjectives shoved into it.

The fandom's pozzed with SJW shit as has been mentioned before. One notable member, tribbleofdoom, who was known for her Warrior Cats animations, went on to create what I consider to be the spiritual successor to the series My Pride. You're not missing out on much - it's a series about lesbian lionesses going out to right the wrongs of the evil patriarchal lions despite the fact that the lion who introduced the laws of pride groups was pretty much a victim of being groomed for an arranged marriage.
 
Heinrich Maneuver said:
The books are just standard corporate kids shit. The fandom is absolutely fucking cancerous. They all hate the current books/don't read the series, but are obsessed with being in the fandom. I know the farms doesn't allow fandom threads but I bump into their twitter drama now and again and today's fight seems to be a repeat of recent 'racism in the books'. discussions. You see, a book based loosely off the English New Forest is clearly racist against Indigenous Americans and is anti Native American because... well it just is, don't ask us what the actual problems are with the books just listen to native voices!! Problem is, half the fandom is 18-30 year old white americans all trying to make the Next Big Problem to get them recognised, as is with many fandoms/groups. Everyone rushed to leave the fandom and vowed to never touch it again for about 6 hours until the narrative became 'actually indigenous artists didn't start this it was whitey again but you should really listen to indigenous artists' so everyone came back. This led to the cancelling of a multi-animator project with a tropical theme this week- the og tweet was deleted but the complaint was the tropical theme and use of skulls/savage imagery was offensive to Pacific Islanders - so people dropped out the map before common sense kicked in again and people realised this was BS and it was just people cancelling shit again and cancelling it is actually the real racism.. The fandom is constantly having these fights over race and English Cat Books (who are very likely based off scottish Clans) being anti-Native American because it uses literary tropes found in every story ever and the term medicine cat/Clan/warrior/having names change throughout a cats life is offensive. Anyone who's seen the SJW art thread has seen the copious amounts of lgbtqia++ that gets made, and the catfights over someone's favourite yellow cat not being gay or whatever (tho the main author did write fanfic of the protagonist and his best friend) but that's standard modern fandom bs.
In terms of specific 'lolcows' there's Draikinator who sent furry porn to a minor after being called a slug and led to massive fallout. Some squeaky yank who made an hour long video why a relationship in the books is super mega abusive please take me seriously and started a huge, still ongoing, fight. The authors aren't much better. One of the authors was 'outed' as a terf and got kicked off the writing team by the fandom. (the person who started the callout later got the cancel spotlight on them for harbouring a terf under the floorboards in their discord). The team seem to be aware of the fandom and it leads to some funny moments (like the authors fanfic). One big complaint was that the one villain (Thistleclaw) didn't actually do anything wrong and people liked him, so to fix this, the writing team canonised him as a pedo who lusts after kittens. Not the kinda thing you should write in books meant for 9 year olds. The whole fandom is standard twitter-lefty 'smash capitalism' types clinging to their childhood books and the authors still manage to collect a fat check from them almost three times a year. Who knew talking cats would be such a hustle. There's plenty more cat autism but this is already too long.
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I see only animations nearly on the first four arcs, some of the fifth, and barely any on the sixth and seventh. And no wonder, no one wants to read them because they’re the shittiest two. God bless the seventh is the last.
The novellas are the worst part of it all, they’re written cringe worthy and add barely anything, some backstory and that’s it. Spottedleafs Heart (the pedo novella), I didn’t even care to read and no one did because alone on what happens there you know it’s trash. The Ravenpaw one was forced too, you could leave it all and just leave the chapter where Ravenpaw dies and people would still cry because they grew up with him for so many arcs.
Erins are like “write a series and then throw all unnecessary novella stuff into it and random things to destroy everything completely. Ah, and everyone dies except our stus and sues!”

I can’t look at Warriors animations anymore, they piss me so off, so many good books, series, shows and movies to make animations off but no, let’s animate for the fifth thousand time the same thing over and over again.
The writing is hell repetitive, so plain and emotionless. If you want to expand your vocabulary the series is not for you.
I don’t know what everyone sees in the books, move on and find something else, or are they putting on pink glasses because they can’t accept and see that the series is bad? I can’t wait for it to die. Vanish already with this stupid fandom.

Coelacanth said:
Heh, Erin Hunter. Now that's a name I haven't heard in a loooooonng time.

Read the books growing up. Tried to go back to them when I was about 18 for nostalgia and couldn't stomach any of them. The two authors behind the series always use works like "meow", "yowl" and "hiss" to replace the word "said". Wouldn't be bad if it was used every so often to help flavour the prose, but it was hard to find a sentence without one of those three adjectives shoved into it.

The fandom's pozzed with SJW shit as has been mentioned before. One notable member, tribbleofdoom, who was known for her Warrior Cats animations, went on to create what I consider to be the spiritual successor to the series My Pride. You're not missing out on much - it's a series about lesbian lionesses going out to right the wrongs of the evil patriarchal lions despite the fact that the lion who introduced the laws of pride groups was pretty much a victim of being groomed for an arranged marriage.
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The Pride is just as shit, even shittier, idk what everyone sees in it too. Badly written characters and messy plot. Thank you for another shit portrayal of lesbian romance, surprise, two Girls falling in love is not the same as hetero people falling in love. You can clearly see none of the writers knew anything about that, you can’t just apply the heterosexual scheme (if I may call it like that), on homosexuals and call it a day. If I should pick out every unrealistic thing about this “love” then it would take longer to read than their whole lazy script. If you don’t know how to do it, leave it. Rather no representation than bad representation. At least then no one has anything to be furious about.
And the writing -
Well, that’s what you get when you only read Warriors.
 
@Draaq (reply is broke) The seventh is not the last, god has abandoned us. An 8th was confirmed for 2022 - The whole fandom's response was 'when will they stop writing them'- when you stop reading and consuming them, obviously. The 'let's make animations for other series' is being thrown around in the fandom due to the racism controversy- but WC gets slated for having characters be slightly morally grey or do something not PG because the fandom is so sensitive so i can't imagine anyone in the fandom picking up something like Redwall, Tailchaser, or Watership Down with 'deeper' themes and more violent/controversial moments (the fucking dictator rabbit and his implied harem would cause a massive tism storm). Example- A disabled character in warriors (paralysed) died after some kind of illness and the fandom kicked off with how her dying after a long life was ableism - and then a later mention of the character 'being able to run and live happy (in heaven)' was reprinted by the publisher because people thought the character's opinion was too offensive to be printed. The fandom can't handle anything that isn't super sanitised and the wiki seems to be just as autistic as the farms when it comes to documenting the fandom's shit flinging.
Agree on the 'forced' nature of novellas- the authors ran a poll last year on who people want to see a super edition (a longer single book) on and that led to the most recent release. Most of the modern novellas are just repeating the same events from diff POVs with nothing new. Looking at the wiki i had no idea how many fuckin books there were- the timeline is a complete mess jesus. And tribbleofdoom I haven't heard in years. Did she do Cow of the Wild? I haven't seen My Pride because I assume the voice acting is just as cringe as CotW and all the other youtube animated series
 
I haven’t actually read these books bu the fandom drama is hilarious. Would these hold up for a hate read?
I have read Tailchaser’s Song though and I never got why that book wasn’t more popular, from what I remember it was actually a fun adventure with some really disturbing content. Plus it’s a one and done book, not 39 and a half fucking books.
 
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