Was Bob a decent parent?

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I have to say that it is a pretty weak argument to claim that Bob was a better parent than Barb. First off, that's holding Bob to a pretty low standard and second -- regardless of his age -- there were higher expectations of Bob. Bob was a college-educated engineer who had traveled to many foreign countries and been involved in some pretty cool stuff; Babs was a bar-hopping hillbilly whose greatest accomplishment was getting a job as a typist at a local utility company. Then, when you add in the facts that Babs is completely self-involved, only cares about herself, and is batshit insane, Bob needed to take the lead in raising Chris and, for the most part, he didn't.

And, yeah-yeah, I know Bob was already nearing grandparent-age when he had Chris. Not my problem. Apologies in advance for the crudity but if you stick your dick in a woman, you risk a kid popping out nine months later. As @Tragi-Chan has already pointed out, Babs may have refused to abort as a way to coerce Bob to stay with her. But, you know -- you do the crime, you do the time. When Bob and Barb found out they were pregnant, they needed to decide if -- at their ages -- they wanted to raise a kid or not. Once they made the decision to raise the child, they also accepted the responsibilities that go with having a child. Granted, having a special needs child was a bit of a kick in the nuts but, again, not my problem and that's a risk they took having a child at their age.

Now, where I think Bob truly failed Chris was in allowing him to behave in a way that made him the lolcow we all know and love today. It's not normal for an adult to walk around wearing a cartoon hedgehog medallion and, regardless of his age, Bob knew that. However, he still allowed Chris to wear the medallion. It's not normal for an adult to stalk women in public places by carrying around a giant sign and, regardless of his age, Bob knew that. However, he still allowed Chris to carry the sign. It's not normal for an adult to stay in his room and make a series of videos where he screams like a maniac into a camera and, regardless of his age, Bob knew that. However, he still allowed Chris to make his videos. Most of us agree that Bob did not understand Chris's autism and had no idea how to deal with it but there's no denying that Bob had some level of control over Chris and was occasionally able to get Chris to integrate into society (Wendy's, PVCC). It's just that there were a lot of other times that he failed to exert any parental influence over his son and allowed Chris to act like a complete imbecile.

I also think Bob was nowhere near as involved in Chris's day-to-day life and interests as a parent should be. For example, Bob knew of Sonichu and Chris's interest in drawing. If he were optimistic enough to think that Chris would someday actually be able to support himself, instead of steering Chris toward a CAD degree at PVCC (Seriously, what the hell are you going to do with a CAD degree in Ruckersville/Charlottesville?), he could have pushed Chris toward graphic design or an art school. Hell, earlier in life, he could have just brought home a handful of Archie comics and sat down with Chris and gone over storytelling techniques, page layouts, etc. with him, instead of just letting him sit in his room playing video games and watching TV all day.

This isn't going to be a popular opinion but, relatively speaking, I think Bob was a bigger failure of a parent than Barb, purely because the expectations for Bob were higher, and Bob should have been able to see the outcomes of his decisions, should have realized the damage he was doing, and should have known better. And, as so many other folks on this site have pointed out, Bob's other children have cut off all contact with him. Regardless of the reason, and even if you hate your parent's new spouse/children, cutting off contact with a parent is a huge decision. I hate to speak ill of the dead, but Bob was no saint.
 
It's not normal for an adult to walk around wearing a cartoon hedgehog medallion and, regardless of his age, Bob knew that. However, he still allowed Chris to wear the medallion.
Chris is a tard. It doesn't bother Chris to look like a tard, because he is a tard and he can't tell that there's anything wrong with it. If it doesn't have a negative effect on Chris, what does it matter?
It's not normal for an adult to stalk women in public places by carrying around a giant sign and, regardless of his age, Bob knew that. However, he still allowed Chris to carry the sign.
Bob wasn't babysitting Chris at the mall, he didn't allow him to carry the sign.
It's not normal for an adult to stay in his room and make a series of videos where he screams like a maniac into a camera and, regardless of his age, Bob knew that. However, he still allowed Chris to make his videos.
If Chris makes videos, who cares? Chris made that "yep I'm on TV, DVD", for example.
It's just that there were a lot of other times that he failed to exert any parental influence over his son and allowed Chris to act like a complete imbecile.
Examples?
If he were optimistic enough to think that Chris would someday actually be able to support himself, instead of steering Chris toward a CAD degree at PVCC (Seriously, what the hell are you going to do with a CAD degree in Ruckersville/Charlottesville?), he could have pushed Chris toward graphic design or an art school.
"Pfft, there are no engineering jobs in Ruckersville, why would you study engineering?"

Because you can move.

Also are you kidding me? Chris and graphic design/art?
 
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Chris was basically raised by a granddad. When I put it into that context I like Bob. Also, this shit here hits me right in the feels..
 
Not really. Better than Barb, but that doesn't say much when he enabled her and Chris.
 
I honestly don't believe he was "racist" in today's sense. i find it annoying when kiwiers strawman him into some xenophobic conservative backwoods archetype.

You are incredibly right about that and I stand corrected, but there's no doubt that Chris definitely got some WEIRD ideas from his father.
 
Yeah, I've read sciency articles about how the father is more likely to contribute to autism than the mother, what I am really wondering though is if this is a global phenomena and not just bound to first world countries.
Forget about "first world countries," this seems to be just a modern-day phenomenon.

Johann Cristoph Bach was born when his father Johann Sebastian was 50 (not that far away from our friend Bob) and yet he was one the foremost composers in history (overshadowed mostly by the enormous influence of his father). Conceiving children at an old age was common practice throughout the ages before the "baby boom" of the 20th Century.

Then again, there's the possibility that the "autism epidemic" of these days is greatly exaggerated.

EDIT: Before a shitstorm saying JCF Bach was an exceptional abnormality, there are millions of examples of highly-intelligent persons conceived by parents over 50 (just not all of them have YouTube videos proving it). An immediate example, the family of my powerlevel is comprised of successful classical musicians, with two PhD in music history. Her father started conceiving the 6 of them when he was 49. Look around and chances are you'll find a lot of them amongst people you know.
 
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"Normal" kids don't come with an instruction manual, much less high functioning autistic ones. However misguided his love and education, he also provided food, clothing, and shelter well into and after Chris was an adult capable of supporting himself. So in the context of living up to the bare minimum of being considered a decent parent, Bob was. But after age eighteen, and even giving him a few years leeway because of the 'tism, the way Chris turned out is all on Chris.
 
EDIT: Before a shitstorm saying JCF Bach was an exceptional abnormality, there are millions of examples of highly-intelligent persons conceived by parents over 50 (just not all of them have YouTube videos proving it). An immediate example, the family of my powerlevel is comprised of successful classical musicians, with two PhD in music history. Her father started conceiving the 6 of them when he was 49. Look around and chances are you'll find a lot of them amongst people you know.

And you'll find people who smoke and drink and eat badly all their lives and still live into their 80s and 90s.

It doesn't mean doing these things is a good idea.
 
It doesn't bother Chris to look like a tard, because he is a tard and he can't tell that there's anything wrong with it. If it doesn't have a negative effect on Chris, what does it matter?
Because part of being a good parent isn't just letting your child do what he/she wants to do. If you're doing your job as a parent and you're trying to help your tard child to try to at least somewhat fit into society (and remember that Bob and Barb both took pride in their "mainstreaming" of Chris), I don't think you would want him walking around with a cartoon character hanging from his neck.

Bob wasn't babysitting Chris at the mall, he didn't allow him to carry the sign.
But I'm sure he knew about the sign. And it's part of a responsible parents' job to teach their children how to behave in society, isn't it? IIRC, it was Babs -- and not Bob -- who told him that the attraction sign made him look like a retard and as if he was trying to sell himself like a used car.

If Chris makes videos, who cares? Chris made that "yep I'm on TV, DVD", for example.
It's not the "yep I'm on TV, DVD" I'm talking about. If a normal parent heard his or her child screaming in his room about how his name was not Ian Brandon Anderson, wouldn't they try to figure out what was going on? And wouldn't a normal parent tell their child to get off the internet and not to worry about what some stranger is claiming?

Examples?
Ummm, for starters: the medallion, the attraction sign, the videos?

"Pfft, there are no engineering jobs in Ruckersville, why would you study engineering?"

Because you can move.
I can move, and you can move. While Bob may have hoped that Chris would be able to support himself someday, I doubt he was optimistic enough to think that Chris would ever be able to move too far away from his parents. Therefore, any education/skills that he may have been able to acquire would need to be useful in the Ruckersville/C-Ville area.

Also are you kidding me? Chris and graphic design/art?
Also are you kidding me? Chris and CAD? While Chris displayed little or no aptitude for graphic design and art, at least he showed some interest in it, unlike CAD. If Bob was going to allow Chris to waste his time getting a useless education, at least he could have allowed Chris to waste it doing something he enjoyed.
 
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I think Bob genuinely cared and tried. I don't know for certain but I'm willing to bet Barb opposed Bob on a lot of things, and if it hadn't been for that he'd have stepped in and put a stop to some of Chris's antics. If he put his foot down, Chris would run to mommy and then it would be a raging autist AND an angry snorlax making his life hell. Why deal with that in his declining years, when he could just *sigh*, shake his head and live with it.
 
I think Bob genuinely cared and tried. I don't know for certain but I'm willing to bet Barb opposed Bob on a lot of things, and if it hadn't been for that he'd have stepped in and put a stop to some of Chris's antics. If he put his foot down, Chris would run to mommy and then it would be a raging autist AND an angry snorlax making his life hell. Why deal with that in his declining years, when he could just *sigh*, shake his head and live with it.
The road to hell was paved with good intentions, and when you deny reality it fights back
 
Because part of being a good parent isn't just letting your child do what he/she wants to do. If you're doing your job as a parent and you're trying to help your tard child to try to at least somewhat fit into society (and remember that Bob and Barb both took pride in their "mainstreaming" of Chris), I don't think you would want him walking around with a cartoon character hanging from his neck.
All Chris was doing was looking weird. He wasn't going to get a girlfriend anyway and looking weird doesn't preclude you from having nerdy friends. Hell, Chris managed to get a nerdy friend in the form of Megan, and she was even a girl.
But I'm sure he knew about the sign. And it's part of a responsible parents' job to teach their children how to behave in society, isn't it? IIRC, it was Babs -- and not Bob -- who told him that the attraction sign made him look like a exceptional individual and as if he was trying to sell himself like a used car.
Why are you so sure he knew about the sign? It was a piece of paper (or maybe cardboard or something) that Chris could've stashed in his room and brought with him when he went to the mall to loiter.

Admittedly Barb was the one who nipped that in the bud, but she might've just been the one to get to it first. (And she might only have found out about it after Chris got in trouble at the mall with it.)
It's not the "yep I'm on TV, DVD" I'm talking about. If a normal parent heard his or her child screaming in his room about how his name was not Ian Brandon Anderson, wouldn't they try to figure out what was going on? And wouldn't a normal parent tell their child to get off the internet and not to worry about what some stranger is claiming?
I think people overestimate how much Bob should've known about the significance of Chris' internet shenanigans. Bob did get concerned about the trolling and harassment, he just misunderstood the source of it. He found the idea that a group of strangers online would arbitrarily harass Chris to be very strange. To him, the more likely source was the game place, and he did act on that belief. He and Barb went down to the game place to pester Mike Snyder, and then in later calls, he still attributed the harassment to Megan and them gay kids down at the game place.

It's not like Bob didn't do anything, he just misunderstood where the trolling was coming from.
I can move, and you can move. While Bob may have hoped that Chris would be able to support himself someday, I doubt he was optimistic enough to think that Chris would ever be able to move too far away from his parents. Therefore, any education/skills that he may have been able to acquire would need to be useful in the Ruckersville/C-Ville area.
Eh, I could see him seeing Chris eventually getting a apartment or something in Richmond or something. Kind of a stretch at the time, admittedly, but maybe Bob was aiming for a "let's get him some skills now, worry about the specifics later" thing. That's not too unreasonable, is it? They have DC and Richmond nearby.

Edit: Heh, he could even commute. Since he's doing that anyway to buy amiibos. (Unconfirmed rumors (or maybe I leaked this, I can't remember) that Chris is driving all over the state once in awhile to buy amiibos, since he's banned from everywhere else.)
Also are you kidding me? Chris and CAD? While Chris displayed little or no aptitude for graphic design and art, at least he showed some interest in it, unlike CAD. If Bob was going to allow Chris to waste his time getting a useless education, at least he could have allowed Chris to waste it doing something he enjoyed.
CAD is a perfect job for a tard. It's mechanical and straightforward. When considering employment, interest takes a backseat to talent, especially considering Sonichu (and everything else Chris makes) is just scribbles.

I think everyone really underestimates how much we know about Chris compared to Bob. And more importantly: I don't think that's Bob's fault. We spent years documenting spergy little details about Chris, compiled from shitloads of emails, phone calls and eyewitness accounts. Bob wasn't at the game place. Bob wasn't at the mall with Chris. Hell, I bet some people on here know the layout of Chris' bedroom many times better than Bob did.

Bob certainly fucked up in some key ways, but again, lots of the complaints in this thread are just hindsight 20/20 stuff.
 
Bob certainly fucked up in some key ways, but again, lots of the complaints in this thread are just hindsight 20/20 stuff.
One thing I think Bob fucked up on was going after Greene County, trying to sue them, even moving Chris away from it. There's being an old man who doesn't understand autism, then there's being a paranoid old man who takes extraordinary efforts to stave off a conspiracy. One thing I wonder though is how much Bob was influenced by Barb's craziness on this and other issues.
 
I highly doubt he enabled her. He was old, tired and afraid she'd go off the deep end like the lunatic she is. Basically the old guy just gave up and ended his life covered in bugs and Barbage.
The money came from his pension to buy the shit she wanted. Barb may have worked at some point but you don't get the money to waste like that as a secretary, an engineer you sure do. Assuming the both paid in Bob would have still been bringing in more money after retirement. He pacified her with garbage and that's pretty enabling given she's a hoarder. Same tactic with Chris, shut him up for a few hours? Just buy some Lego.
 
Heh, he could even commute. Since he's doing that anyway to buy amiibos. (Unconfirmed rumors (or maybe I leaked this, I can't remember) that Chris is driving all over the state once in awhile to buy amiibos, since he's banned from everywhere else.)
Thanks, Marvin. I might not always agree with you, but your insight is always valuable.

And (a bit off-topic, I know) I still find it hilarious that Chris needs to drive around VA to buy Amiibos since he's banned from the local sellers. Several times a week, all of us prove that we can walk into a store, pick out our item(s), give the store our money, and leave without incident. I know we're dealing with someone for whom self-awareness isn't a big deal but still ... when every local retailer is saying "No, thanks. We really don't want your money. Please go elsewhere.", you'd really think that CWC would try to figure out what he's doing wrong.
 
I can't be one to judge our favorite Internet lumberjack, but I think Bob may have tried his best to be a good parent i.e. graduation incident, the Julay episode, and probably when he was raising Chris on his own.

But with Chris being Chris, good advice just goes in one ear and out the other.
 
I don't want to to powerlevel, but a relative I had was akin to Barb personality wise.

Such people can be tyranical and very hard to oppose. They may threaten suicide or harm to the child and I can understand why Bob would back down. Standing up to Barb is not as easy for a family member than it is for a random stranger.

He was at best a mediocre parent. Could he have made Chris into a semi-functional tard who doesn't chimp out every week if Barb was not in the picture? Maybe.

Also, I think his previous family cut all contact because of Snorlax too.
 
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