We aren't being told the truth about the James Webb Space Telescope's abilities. - The lies are stacking up

nigga that crab pollack said:
this is public advertising for a private company that owns a synthetic aperture radar satellite constellation in orbit. it is capable of resolving car sized targets, in real time, through solid objects. this isn't even cutting edge, it's a product.

the research on the topic that's publicly avaliable has all sorts of crazy shit like milimeter resolution, being able to resolve 10cm sized targets underneath meters of concrete, and real time video. it would be foolish to think that the CIA has not leveraged this technology to peek into the chinese/russian/afghani/doomsday prepper bunker complexes we've known about for decades but can't see inside of.
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Post a research paper on resolving tiny targets through meters of concrete, particularly from a distance. As for image resolution, the US spy satellites are bordering the physical limit last I checked and maintaining that limit through literal tons of concrete sounds bogus.

The video is a useless advertisement, just a fancier looking "eagle eye" as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Aidan said:
Post a research paper on resolving tiny targets through meters of concrete, particularly from a distance. As for image resolution, the US spy satellites are bordering the physical limit last I checked and maintaining that limit through literal tons of concrete sounds bogus.

The video is a useless advertisement, just a fancier looking "eagle eye" as far as I'm concerned.
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i'll admit i mixed up some papers in my head because i did this reading for my own entertainment a long time ago but i think you're just trying to focus on one dumb thing i said to try and draw doubt to the rest of it.

the fundamental nature of synthetic aperture radar is that increasing the azimuth of the radar's travel increases the size of the "antenna" and the resolution it can resolve. you need the right kind of radiation that can penetrate the ground at that distance without scattering and clutter reducing the image to being useless, but that's also a function of your ability to sift through the data and how much power you're willing to throw at it. at the same time, if you have a constellation of satellites all working in unison, that starts to become less of an issue as well. a synthetic aperture radar constellation in orbit is basically a giant moving phased array antenna.

we're at the point now where computers are better than ever at sifting through abstract data sets with unclear parameters to get a human-readable data set. satellites are cheaper than ever to launch, and there is loads of research being done into radio interferometry with synthetic aperture rader. the amount of grad students doing papers on very basic concepts with better data collection makes all of the glownigger heuristics go off in my head. all of the pieces are there, they just need to be put together. of course this is just crazed conspiracy theory talk because it's going to be a fringe theory until it's declassified in 30 years
 
nigga that crab pollack said:
i'll admit i mixed up some papers in my head because i did this reading for my own entertainment a long time ago but i think you're just trying to focus on one dumb thing i said to try and draw doubt to the rest of it.

the fundamental nature of synthetic aperture radar is that increasing the azimuth of the radar's travel increases the size of the "antenna" and the resolution it can resolve. you need the right kind of radiation that can penetrate the ground at that distance without scattering and clutter reducing the image to being useless, but that's also a function of your ability to sift through the data and how much power you're willing to throw at it. at the same time, if you have a constellation of satellites all working in unison, that starts to become less of an issue as well. a synthetic aperture radar constellation in orbit is basically a giant moving phased array antenna.

we're at the point now where computers are better than ever at sifting through abstract data sets with unclear parameters to get a human-readable data set. satellites are cheaper than ever to launch, and there is loads of research being done into radio interferometry with synthetic aperture rader. the amount of grad students doing papers on very basic concepts with better data collection makes all of the glownigger heuristics go off in my head. all of the pieces are there, they just need to be put together. of course this is just crazed conspiracy theory talk because it's going to be a fringe theory until it's declassified in 30 years
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I'm drawing doubt to what you said because I'm not aware of anything that backs it up.
 
Aidan said:
I'm drawing doubt to what you said because I'm not aware of anything that backs it up.
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because there isn't anything that backs it up. if i could have just posed a bunch of links that backed up what i said then i would have posted them instead of a long winded autistic diatribe about theoretical concepts gleaned from google.

Low-frequency 3D synthetic aperture radar for the remote intelligence of building interiors​


Subsurface interferometric algorithms for 3D imaging of buried targets​

 
nigga that crab pollack said:
because there isn't anything that backs it up. if i could have just posed a bunch of links that backed up what i said then i would have posted them instead of a long winded autistic diatribe about theoretical concepts gleaned from google.
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Yeah which is why it's worth calling you out on it. You said something outrageous and linked a spoopy video that appears to lend credence but really it's irrelevant and an ad.
nigga that crab pollack said:

Low-frequency 3D synthetic aperture radar for the remote intelligence of building interiors​


Subsurface interferometric algorithms for 3D imaging of buried targets​

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I'm not saying you can't use RF to see through things, I'm saying the resolution you mentioned likely doesn't exist. What you link here has nothing to do with satellites seeing through walls with actionable resolution. I was genuinely asking for something to back up what you said because you said there's public research and it's a massive leap in personally known capabilities.
 
if there is any sort of axiom that i use in everyday life its that 'known capability' and 'what is possible' are the worst possible set of heuristics to use to determine capability and possibility. i'm not even saying that these are proven facts i'm literally just saying that i have a very very strong feeling based on the research that has been done, and what private companies are doing, and how useful it would be to military intelligence, that current capabilities are beyond what people generally consider to be possible. that doesn't mean they can eye-in-the-sky you into a building and beam voices into your head, but peering into bunkers? without a doubt they're doing it. are they getting good results? who knows
 
JJLiautaud said:
HST was basically a KH-11 spy sat with slightly differently ground mirrors
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I understood that it was a mothballed spare that was repurposed. I always found it suss that it was launched with bad optics that needed replaced in orbit. Like it was a cover story for where the Hubble originated, which , at the time, overhead imagery was classified with few leaks or declassifications on the matter.
 
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Starre & Ruine said:
I understood that it was a mothballed spare that was repurposed. I always found it suss that it was launched with bad optics that needed replaced in orbit. Like it was a cover story for where the Hubble originated, which , at the time, overhead imagery was classified with few leaks or declassifications on the matter.
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Yeah theres a lot that doesnt quite make sense with the hubble program, but my running hypothesis is that our space based astronomy program is a way quitely advertising the lastgen of the NRO's capabilities, one test for this hypothesis is to look out for a space based radio telescope in the next 2 or so decades being announced.
 
Hubble's ties to the KH-11's are down to similar design considerations and constraints. Lockheed isn't going to reinvent the wheel and pretend to solve problems they've already solved when the tooling, facilities and trained employees are already there. Companies and subcontractors obviously have to keep confidential information a secret but they are permitted use that tech in a commercial, albeit controlled manner.

Here an example, NASA doesn't need to know why Lockheed has experience building large telescopes and why it has a conveniently large clean rooms, just that they do. Nobody (not even Congress) needs to know why a 2.4m primary mirror is close to "national industrial capacity" only that it is.

The Hubble obviously had NRO DNA in it but it's not a spy satellite.
 
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A bit confused regarding this discussion to be honest.

In general, when looking through the details I would assume there was something in the optical setup and construction, which they thought is better to keep quiet about. Maybe there's some specific construction or idea, which they borrowed from spy satellites or elsewhere and do not want general public to know, since it can give some sort of edge to their competitors. I just don't find the entire situation that strange, because this is something which happens often.

Note in the statement below, the person says ""The secondary mirror relays light from the primary mirror and does optical correction."" but optical correction is something that is usually required for an Earth bound telescope. Why does a space telescope require "optical correction" at the secondary mirror when the distance travelled from the primary is less than 20 feet?
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Optical correction is necessary anywhere. It doesn't matter whether it is a space telescope or Earth bound. Optical correction doesn't have much to do with the atmosphere.

Starre & Ruine said:
I always found it suss that it was launched with bad optics that needed replaced in orbit.
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I never found it suspicious since I have seen people do similar fuck ups.
 
What's so special about this thing that there are no unblurred photos of it on the entire internet? (Photos sourced from NASA's publicly available social media. Don't ITAR me, daddy)

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Perhaps they just didn't want anyone to know that some diversity hire wrapped it entirely with electrical tape from The Home Depot® before a bunch of other diversity hires launched it into orbit.

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The same reason why both America and the Soviet Union had a vested interest in establishing permanent military and research installations in Antartica the 60s/70s

Neutrino detection to keep you locked in this gay timeline forever.
 
I think the fact that it is a special spy satellite is probably true.

Though I don't think it is worth getting all Schizo over necessarily. But it is fun to speculate on what it is and why it exists and I have done so below.
MadStan said:
The Cryogenic unit?
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T0oCoolFool said:
Are you saying that they might be using this telescope to spy on Earth, specifically, to see if there are any bases/structures deep within the ocean or deep under ground, that regular satellites can't pick up on?
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As for what its purpose is beyond that I have a guess based on a couple things.

The first is the Cryo unit. This is not too strange but it does mean that whatever it is some kind of sensor that needs to be extremely cold. There are sensors that detect certain things that need to be cold.

The other is the fact that it is a gold Mirror.

Gold's optical properties are such that it is really good at reflecting IR light but not very good at reflecting lower wavelength light. So it is Good at IR but bad at UV and Gamma.

But the missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't. By tracking where you have an unusually high amount of absorbance and then removing the reflection of other wavelengths of light you can find where there is a lot of UV or possibly even Gamma light.

For reference here is the reflection curves of Aluminum, Gold and Silver. Both Gold and silver would work for this but Gold has a larger and more varied region of non reflectivity meaning you might be able to specifically identify the wavelengths of light you are sensing.
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What sorts of things emit low wavelength light that intelligence agencies would really like to look at? Radioactive Material does.

If you can get the resolution to be good enough you can probably tell what kind of radioactive material it is. So X-ray machines will look very different from nuclear reactors which will look very different from Nuclear weapons.

I hope you can understand the immense value in being able to determine where any nuclear weapon on the planet is via spy satellite.

So why hide it in a research telescope? Because if I wanted to use anti-satellite weapons to take out spy satellites I might not suspect this humble little research telescope.

Just a theory and I could be wrong who knows. I did hate optics and found it kind of boring and stupid.
 
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