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We have a powerful weapon to fight inflation: price controls. It’s time we use it​

Isabella Weber

We used price controls after inflation sky-rocketed after the second world war. There’s a strong case for doing so again now

Wed 29 Dec 2021 11.20 GMT

Inflation is near a 40-year high. Central banks around the world just promised to intervene. However, a critical factor that is driving up prices remains largely overlooked: an explosion in profits. In 2021, US non-financial profit margins have reached levels not seen since the aftermath of the second world war. This is no coincidence. The end of the war required a sudden restructuring of production which created bottlenecks similar to those caused by the pandemic. Then and now large corporations with market power have used supply problems as an opportunity to increase prices and scoop windfall profits. The Federal Reserve has taken a hawkish turn this month. But cutting monetary stimulus will not fix supply chains. What we need instead is a serious conversation about strategic price controls – just like after the war.

Today economists are divided into two camps on the inflation question: team Transitory argues we ought not to worry about inflation since it will soon go away. Team Stagflation urges for fiscal restraint and a raise in interest rates. But there is a third option: the government could target the specific prices that drive inflation instead of moving to austerity which risks a recession.


To use a metaphor: if your house is on fire, you would not want to wait until the fire eventually dies out. Neither do you wish to destroy the house by flooding it. A skillful firefighter extinguishes the fire where it is burning to prevent contagion and save the house. History teaches us that such a targeted approach is also possible for price increases.

The White House Council of Economic Advisers suggests that the best historical analogy for today’s inflation is the aftermath of the second world war. Then and now there was pent up demand thanks to high household savings. During the war this was a result of rising incomes and rationing; during Covid-19 that of stimulus checks and shutdowns. At both times supply chains were disrupted. This is as far as the White House advisers’ interpretation of the parallel between the two episodes goes. What they do not tell us is that the inflation after the war was not without an alternative.

During the second world war the Roosevelt administration imposed strict price controls and instituted the Office of Price Administration. In comparison with the first world war, price rises were low, while the increase in output was almost beyond imagination. After the war, the question was what to do with the price controls. Should they be released in one big bang as southern Democrats, Republicans and big business were urging? Or did price controls have a role to play in the transition to a postwar economy?

Some of the most distinguished American economists of the 20th century called for a continuation of price controls in the New York Times. This included the likes of Paul Samuelson, Irving Fisher, Frank Knight, Simon Kuznets, Paul Sweezy and Wesley Mitchell, as well as 11 former presidents of the American Economic Association. The reasons they presented for price controls also apply to our present situation.

They argued that as long as bottlenecks made it impossible for supply to meet demand, price controls for important goods should be continued to prevent prices from shooting up. The tsar of wartime price controls, John Kenneth Galbraith, joined these calls. He explained “the role of price controls” would be “strategic”. “No more than the economist ever supposed will it stop inflation,” he added. “But it both establishes the base and gains the time for the measures that do.”

President Truman was aware of the risks of ending price controls. On 30 October 1945, he warned that after the first world war, the US had “simply pulled off the few controls that had been established, and let nature take its course”. And he urged, “The result should stand as a lesson to all of us. A dizzy upward spiral of wages and the cost of living ended in the crash of 1920 – a crash that spread bankruptcy and foreclosure and unemployment throughout the Nation.” Nevertheless, price controls were pulled in 1946, again triggering inflation and a boom-bust cycle.

Today, there is once more a choice between tolerating the ongoing explosion of profits that drives up prices or tailored controls on carefully selected prices. Price controls would buy time to deal with bottlenecks that will continue as long as the pandemic prevails. Strategic price controls could also contribute to the monetary stability needed to mobilize public investments towards economic resilience, climate change mitigation and carbon-neutrality. The cost of waiting for inflation to go away is high. Senator Manchin’s withdrawal from the Build Back Better Act demonstrates the threat of a shrinking policy space at a time when large scale government action is in order. Austerity would be even worse: it risks manufacturing stagflation. We need a systematic consideration of strategic price controls as a tool in the broader policy response to the enormous macroeconomic challenges instead of pretending there is no alternative beyond wait-and-see or austerity.

  • Isabella Weber is an assistant professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and the author of How China Escaped Shock Therapy
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Seriously, this is the nonsense that was published in Biden nominee Saule Omarova's paper titled "The People’s Ledger: How to Democratize Money and Finance the Economy."

This is the person Biden wanted in charge of regulating banks.

Thankfully moderate Democrats joined Republicans in opposing this kook.
 
Unfortunately, I believe that it costs nearly 5 cents to source a new aluminum can. The only way to make money on a deposit scam is by having no up-front costs.
Oh, if you weren't following the full chain we're working in this framework where you can make 24 cans plus soda to fill them for $1.35. The can deposit is meant to debunk the claim that it only costs 1GBP to make a 24 pack by showing that if that were the case, it would make more sense to scam the system than to produce a product.

It costs Coca-Cola around £1 to make a 24 pack crate of coke.
 
I don't know if that'd work out positively, it sounds good but I'm not an economist. If things keep getting worse then you gotta try something, I guess. Maybe start with booting this fraudulent administration.
 
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Why even produce the cans, just send them 100lb pure aluminium bars as can equivalents.
Makes it easier to compare to a 24 pack of soda for mathematical purposes. But yes in 24 cans for a GBP land, the next step after fake cans would just be raw materials. Assuming the bottle bill deposit thing didn't warp the value of the processed can too much.
 
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Seriously, this is the nonsense that was published in Biden nominee Saule Omarova's paper titled "The People’s Ledger: How to Democratize Money and Finance the Economy."

This is the person Biden wanted in charge of regulating banks.

Thankfully moderate Democrats joined Republicans in opposing this kook.
I like the idea behind the first part of all that, in theory at least; though I see it more as an extension of getting issued a SSN. If there's any state benefits or whatever, this is the default location they get sent to. When someone dies, they file the death certificate, distribute funds to survivors/beneficiaries, then close the account. Easy, in theory at least.

But then they get into the whole "We have the right to pull money out because we can, fuck you." Nevermind you might be saving up for a wedding, a dream car, a house, or something like that; the feds need their blood, and they found a vein to poke, and not a word about reimbursement or anything when the trouble is over (not that I'd expect them to live up to it, and especially not in a timely manner if ever). They fucked up policy, and so you need to do your part to fix their problem. But just how fucking brazen they are about how they want complete control over someone's livelihood, and they can take what they want when they decide... God forbid they catch you saying subversive shit online and decide there's a crisis that just popped up.
 
I like the idea behind the first part of all that, in theory at least; though I see it more as an extension of getting issued a SSN. If there's any state benefits or whatever, this is the default location they get sent to. When someone dies, they file the death certificate, distribute funds to survivors/beneficiaries, then close the account. Easy, in theory at least.

But then they get into the whole "We have the right to pull money out because we can, fuck you." Nevermind you might be saving up for a wedding, a dream car, a house, or something like that; the feds need their blood, and they found a vein to poke, and not a word about reimbursement or anything when the trouble is over (not that I'd expect them to live up to it, and especially not in a timely manner if ever). They fucked up policy, and so you need to do your part to fix their problem. But just how fucking brazen they are about how they want complete control over someone's livelihood, and they can take what they want when they decide... God forbid they catch you saying subversive shit online and decide there's a crisis that just popped up.
Well, they needed something to replace the asset forfeitude scam.
 
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Math question: What will a farmer with stock he can only sell for 50K$ do if it will cost him 100K$ to process and transport it into metropolis cities?
Bonu question, What will an importer do if his stock cost him 100K$ and he can only get for it 50K$ in the USA?

Gather up a posse and loot the nearest mansion at gun point.
 
Not price control, but profit control. It costs Coca-Cola around £1 to make a 24 pack crate of coke. It's sold for £7 in shops. Do they need £6 of profit when £3 would do?

I don't know what it's like in yankyland but in the UK (In my experience) the rule of thumb has been 'every time a product is touched, add 35% mark up'. Would it kill the world if we, even temporarily, set the maximum profit/mark up, at say 15%?
There are multiple problems here. First you are dependent on the company giving you their profit margins without lying about it. Second, what happens when two competitors have vastly different levels of efficiency? And third, it will do a good job in fucking over small companies while big corporations will just bribe/lie to a better position.
 
any economist worth their salt would have been taught that price controls distort the true cost of a good/service. And, they don't work. Nixon tried it, failed. Trudeau (Sr.) tried it, failed. I was told by people back in the 90s that when the 70s wage and price controls were put in (to "fight inflation"), it was a huge disaster, but also companies figured out clever ways of getting around it in order to reward their employees.

But then again, "Economist" is one of the few professions where you can be wrong 100% of the time and still keep your job.
 
I just said, the transport costs are not included. Over heads, wages, packaging etc etc all are included in that price. Yes, partly thanks to the economy of scale.

What it costs the company to make it, is the cost it costs to make it. Slapping 35% mark everything it is touched is possibly (my original point) a little too high and maybe, to help (I'm not an economist so I'm asking, would it help?) Limit the mark up on goods to a flat rate of X%
What you might be missing, as evidenced in rent control marketplaces for example which are the nearest extant analogue, is that if you give people a ceiling, they'll consider it a target.

Tell people they can only put up rent by 4% ever year, all of a sudden every landlord will start doing it whether they potentially had been planning to or not because of you skip a year of raises you can't raise em by 8% the next year to recover to market rate. So a landlord with for ex an elderly couple who maybe was comfortable leaving them at an lower rate because they could always raise it once they shuffled off the mortal coil now is compelled to raise it by the max they can or lose out in the future

So maybe coca cola corporate is making super normal profits on a 35% markup but not everyone down chain is. All of a sudden the trucking firm which usually has tiny margins will just default to the higher markup. So will the wholesaler distributor. So will the franchise owner or supermarket corporate for their internal pricing etc etc.

Companies will often take a hit on profits or even a loss, in the hopes of in the future being able to make a super normal profit and being able to recoup that lost revenue.

Tell them explicitly that that is not going to be possible and it changes their pricing arithmetic drastically. There's no benefit to taking only a 5% margin now in the hopes of making a 65% margin down the line because you legally won't be allowed to, better to just take the max 35%
 
Whenever someone posts one of these articles, the first thing I do is hover over the link to see what website this is from and if it's mainstream or some fringe publication.

My Alarm is then equal to Silliness of Article x Mainstreamness of Publication.

I hover over this link and see. guardian.com.

Oh dear. :(
 
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Seriously, this is the nonsense that was published in Biden nominee Saule Omarova's paper titled "The People’s Ledger: How to Democratize Money and Finance the Economy."

This is the person Biden wanted in charge of regulating banks.

Thankfully moderate Democrats joined Republicans in opposing this kook.
I can understand the logic behind the second one. If the government's fucked up enough they need to "drain excess liquidity" from people's bank accounts, then your bank account probably isn't worth much to begin with. The problem is what the government deems "extreme and rare circumstances" and above all else, why anyone would trust a government so shitty at economic policy that it caused hyperinflation bad enough worth taking away your money for.
Wtf? Only £1 l? I need a source for this. Fuck Coca-Cola btw.
Makes sense when you consider that drinks are how fast food restaurants (and restaurants in general) make their real money. Almost all of the cost there is probably making and shipping the bottle and paying the employees. If you fill up a drink container with Coke, Pepsi, etc. at a fast food restaurant, you cost the restaurant like a fraction of a cent compared to ordering a meal which they barely break even on.
 
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