EU Weapon Ban for AfD Members: Ruling Now Confirmed - German courts rule that members of the only opposition party are to be disarmed... *Anarcho-tyranny intensifies*

Fresh publication over at Apollo News [A], translated by yours truly for the Kiwi audience

The Higher Administrative Court of North Rhine-Westphalia has ruled in summary proceedings that being a member of an anti-constitutional organization is sufficient to be barred from owning a firearm under firearms laws. This also applies to members of the AfD, even if the party is currently merely a suspected case.

This was announced by a spokeswoman for the court at the request of the German Press Agency (dpa). The reasoning behind the decision is the classification of the AfD as a suspected case of right-wing extremism by the Office for the Protection of the Constitution (Verfassungsschutz). This classification was confirmed by the Higher Administrative Court (OVG) of North Rhine-Westphalia in Münster on May 13 2004.

In two summary proceedings, the OVG emphasized that an AfD membership is already a sufficient basis for the revocation of a firearms license. It is considered especially aggravating if a party member is not just an ordinary member, but actively supporting the party as a functionary.

In its expedited rulings, the 20th Senate of the OVG claimed that it is also aggravating that one of the plaintiffs did not unequivocally and persistantly distance himself from anti-constitutional endeavors within the AfD. The court referred to inflammatory statements or intimidating behavior by party members.

The two summary proceedings were proceeded by rulings by the Düsseldorf Administrative Court at the end of June, in which it ruled that the respective AfD members must hand in their weapons (Apollo News reported on this). In doing so, the authorities had previously revoked the plaintiffs' gun permits, which they attempted to challenge in court. In the main case, four appeal proceedings are still pending at the Higher Administrative Court. According to the court spokeswoman, no hearing dates have been set yet.

 

[Gog & Magog]

What's the AfD's opinion on Free Speech? I need to know before offering any sympathies to Germans.

 

[Megaton Punch]

"Our political opponents can't own firearms but we can" is so cartoonishly evil it could only come from the kind of genocidal monsters who run half of Europe. Why not just say "we want to round them up and exterminate them"? Anyone with human intelligence already knows that's the next step.

 

[draggs]

Their hubris is really setting Germany up for some big hilarity in a few years, when the AfD will have grown enough that it can't be quarantined nationally any more. That quarantine is already being broken at the local and state level, it's inevitable that it will be in the Bundestag too

 

[The Evil Midnight Bomber]

Yes please keep feeding the fire.

 

[JohnnyG]

it is also aggravating that one of the plaintiffs did not unequivocally and persistantly distance himself from anti-constitutional endeavors

"Sorry chud, you didn't heckin' disavow your magaboomer parents and proclaim your love for Owah Saycred Democracy(TM)!"
"I did, honestly I did! Here are the screenshots!"
"Nice try, but we said persistently, and witnesses testify that they continued to applaud and updoot long after you had stopped."

 

[The Ugly One]

Rising sentiment against infinigger migration has the WEF spooked. They've decided one of the solutions is to simply make opposition to immigration a crime, stop pussyfooting around with just trying to crack down on the guys who use a no-no-word, hatefact, or forbidden thought in their anti-immigration arguments.

 

[im5!XxhO]

What's the AfD's opinion on Free Speech? I need to know before offering any sympathies to Germans.

The AfD position on free speech is loving it when it helps then and having a meltdown when someone talks trash about them. Germany does not have free speech in the American sense and also no major party that is pushing for it. Cultural difference, I guess.

In this particular case I don't get the surprise. Germany does not have the 2A, you don't have a enshrined constitutional right to own a gun. The only way to attack this ruling legally I see is trying to use the party privilege doctrine (no not the comrade kind) that you can't treat a party as unconstitutional if it is not banned. Thus you can't treat its members worse just for their membership. If I am the judge, I would probably agree with that position but it is not an extremly strong argument since gun ownership in Germany is a privilege and the law heavily focus on how personally suited a person is and how reliable they are.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

What's the AfD's opinion on Free Speech? I need to know before offering any sympathies to Germans.

Looking at their website, with a specific page regarding freedom of speech
Let me briefly translate:

• Cancel Culture:
  The Internet must be kept as a place of free expression. "Fact checkers" and opinion policemen must not receive any government funding. The government is influencing private media by means of subventions, partial ownership, and governmental ad financing. We reject this party-political influencing of media. We want to prohibit political party share ownership in media corporations.
  On the federal level, we demand measures to document, monitor, and prevent reported cases of cancel culture. In addition, together with the member states, efforts must be made so that the culture of freedom in debates, research, and science continues to be upheld in German universities. Here, one could be inspired by the British project of establishing a "Free Speech Champion" at the universities.
• Publicly financed media:
  The relevant contracts are to be slashed in every state to allow for fundamental reforms.
  On the federal level, the federal government alongside the member states are to have a broad media-political reform debate with participants from sciences, industry, culture and politics, as well as the viewers, listeners, and users, with the goal of regulating the public as well as private broadcasts and allow for a genuine competition between different providers of news, information, and reports in the digital space.
• Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz (NetzDG):
  We demand the abolition of the NetzDG and that the principles of rule of law are upheld in the digital space as well. The operators of social media platforms are to be required to not discriminate access and keep their content neutral.
  On the federal level, we demand a complete abolition of the NetzDG. In addition, we demand that the providers of social networks designate a domestic authorized recipient for information requests from law enforcement offices which must reply within 48 hours to requests.
• EU copyright law:
  In the digital space we demand a respect for the constitution and all principles of rule of law. Basic rights and freedom of speech exist on the Internet too. Thus, upload filters are to be prevented, because they infringe upon freedom of speech and lead to censorship. Deficits in EU copyright law are to be mended. The AfD supports a free and open Internet.
  On the federal level, the EU copyright law reform is to be implemented as originally promised by the governing coalition, without upload filters.
• Digital Services Act:
  We want a unified jurisdiction for the standardization and certification of IT infrastructures, products, services, and systems. The Federal Office for Security in Information Technology (BSI) is to be expanded to an office for digital consumer protection.
  On the federal level, we demand that the government uses its powers to reject the Digital Services Act in the European Council. The AfD delegation in the EU parliament has voted against that law.
• Hate criminality:
  Every censorship of expression is an attack on the basic right of freedom of speech. A privileged position in social media and education may not be abused to influence political directions in a one-sided way.
  On the federal level, only illegal expressions are to be prosecuted. Terms like "hate speech" cannot be precisely defined and are thus not a basis for criminal acts. We demand a law which forces platform operators to strictly follow German law when moderating and deleting posts regardless of political affiliation or religious background.
• Encryption:
  End-to-end encryption in electronic communication as well as data protection through technical design and default settings must be legally mandated to be the standard. Intrusions in privacy by monopolistic data-driven big corporations, agencies, and secret services are big infringements on the freedom rights guaranteed by the constitution. We want to fight against this threat to our freedom by giving the informational sovereignty back to the citizens and strengthen it using the constitution.
  On the federal level, we demand that software and hardware vendors in Europe adopt end-to-end encryption as the standard.

 

[Chilson]

Germany does not have the 2A, you don't have a enshrined constitutional right to own a gun.

I am pretty sure there is no (FUNCTIONING) country besides the US at this point who has ACTUAL 2A rights. Every other nation that says they have rights like 2A has so many asterisks next to it that it functionally re-writes the law so they don't have 2A rights.

I think the only exception is Switzerland, and 90% of that is probably because they are the exception for literally everything.

 

[Otterly]

Ironically, didn’t the Nazis do this too?

 

[Idiotron]

This will bite them in the ass.
AfD is the fastest growing party in Germany in decades.
Give it another 2 elections and they will be the ruling party.
When that happens, they will use the same shit against their current oppressors and everyone will be shocked.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

AfD is the fastest growing party in Germany in decades.
Give it another 2 elections and they will be the ruling party.

The second-next federal elections are going to be in 2029.
I doubt Germany will exist as a country by then

 

[Chilson]

Ironically, didn’t the Nazis do this too?

Germany really likes to do the same things over and over again while pretending they have never done it before.

Weimar 2.0 is just combining the worst aspects of Weimar 1.0 with the worst aspects of Nazi Germany.

 

[Otterly]

Germany really likes to do the same things over and over again while pretending they have never done it before.

Weimar 2.0 is just combining the worst aspects of Weimar 1.0 with the worst aspects of Nazi Germany.

Very inefficient, Germs. Let’s just skip to the fun bits

 

[LaxerBRO]

What prevents a person from declining to state their political party then voting for AfD in the election?

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

And they think they got rid of the Nazis.

 

[ZazietheBeast]

Hey Germany. Hope you're ready for the camps because that is next! Except this time, no swimming pool nor theater!

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Anyone with human intelligence already knows that's the next step.

Nah, it's Germany. Now that Antifa know this lot legally cannot be armed they'll be the ones to step up the violence and save the state the trouble.

 

[Klaptrap]

Germany really likes to do the same things over and over again while pretending they have never done it before.

Weimar 2.0 is just combining the worst aspects of Weimar 1.0 with the worst aspects of Nazi Germany.

Germans cannot help but be German. We (The USA) may have occupied them and broken their brains during denazification (sorry Deutschbros ) but Germans will always think they are the best. We told them "you're not allowed to be proud of yourselves" so they decided "we are proud of not being proud and you should really try harder to be less proud.. Like us."

It's why Germans love to pop up in comments sections discussing free speech to espouse their system and say "I don't get it, why don't you just act like us?" (Rich coming from an American, I know.)

That said, Weimar happened before American influence so whether or not we induced their sexual deviancy with denazification is a real chicken or the egg situation.