Weapons sperging general

[Ravenor]

Driven shoots are something I avoid, I've met too many people who take far too much pleasure in the actual death of the birds. It's one thing to enjoy the sport. I for instance love rabbiting and ratting, ground shooting is my particular hobby. I've seen some pretty horrific things when I've been beating, people who do NOT know how to ring a birds neck trying to ring a birds neck whilst the poor thing shrieks and flaps it's non peppered wing. That level of cruelty and incompetence is unforgivable and it just provides the anti-hunting lobbies with tons of misinformation to throw into the "ban every fuckin' thing" argument.

It depends on the estate I guess, I'm lucky that the one's I go to regularly are ran by people I went to collage with who make sure people know there jobs an don't let unsafe / uneducated people take a peg no matter how much they pay.

Rough shooting it my thing tbh as I'd rather be on my own or with a single friend when out shooting, but the odd driven day in the season on a well ran shoot is a real treat.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

It depends on the estate I guess, I'm lucky that the one's I go to regularly are ran by people I went to collage with who make sure people know there jobs an don't let unsafe / uneducated people take a peg no matter how much they pay.

Rough shooting it my thing tbh as I'd rather be on my own or with a single friend when out shooting, but the odd driven day in the season on a well ran shoot is a real treat.

I see the attraction but not my thing. I'd rather sit under a hedge drinking scotch and potting rabbits with a friend. I've spent many happy afternoons in the pouring rain nice and snug in a brush hide with a flask and my mate S.J (who is still a good friend despite once actually fucking shooting me, two pellets in the leg from a 4/10 but nevertheless...) Before anybody asks it went something like this: creeping side by side through a reed bed, I get ahead without either of us realizing. He takes a shot at a pheasant that was hiding in the reeds, misses and hits me instead. I ended up with two pellets lodged under the skin of my leg, not bad but very painful. I called him a cunt and he bought me a bottle of Talisker to say sorry. We went shooting the next week and drank most of it.

 

[The Dude]

I owned a fixed stock SPAS 12 back around 2005. I bought brand new in the box because the guy who owned it before me bought two before they became verboten to import to the States. He shot one and kept the other, the one I bought, in the box in his safe. I put about 75 rounds through it and decided I hated it. It was heavy, awkward to reload because of the button you have to hold down to release the loading gate, and I found the recoil uncomfortable even in semi-auto mode. In pump action it was damn brutal. I don't know why, buy it was more uncomfortable to shoot than my Mossberg 500 and they were both 12ga. I wound up selling it at the gun show for $250 more than I paid for it and bought something else.

As far as it being rare outside of law enforcement, that's incorrect. The SPAS 12 and few SPAS 15 shotguns in the US are mostly privately owned. Police here prefer shotguns more along the lines of the Remington 870, 11-87, and 1100, Mossberg 500, 590, and 930, and Benelli line of shotguns. You see the SPAS 12 a lot in movies and video games because they look fucking cool, but because of the reasons I didn't care for it so too do the LEOs here not really care for it. I'm unaware of any agencies who have them because there aren't many here and getting parts for them when they go tits up is a bitch.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

I owned a fixed stock SPAS 12 back around 2005. I bought brand new in the box because the guy who owned it before me bought two before they became verboten to import to the States. He shot one and kept the other, the one I bought, in the box in his safe. I put about 75 rounds through it and decided I hated it. It was heavy, awkward to reload because of the button you have to hold down to release the loading gate, and I found the recoil uncomfortable even in semi-auto mode. In pump action it was damn brutal. I don't know why, buy it was more uncomfortable to shoot than my Mossberg 500 and they were both 12ga. I wound up selling it at the gun show for $250 more than I paid for it and bought something else.

As far as it being rare outside of law enforcement, that's incorrect. The SPAS 12 and few SPAS 15 shotguns in the US are mostly privately owned. Police here prefer shotguns more along the lines of the Remington 870, 11-87, and 1100, Mossberg 500, 590, and 930, and Benelli line of shotguns. You see the SPAS 12 a lot in movies and video games because they look fucking cool, but because of the reasons I didn't care for it so too do the LEOs here not really care for it. I'm unaware of any agencies who have them because there aren't many here and getting parts for them when they go tits up is a bitch.

You are not wrong about them being a pig to use but I got used to mine. I bought mine for the "it looks cool" factor so I can't complain about performance. I have the longer barreled version which, with care, can be a very effective pest control gun based on its ability to fill an entire field with high speed metal fairly quickly.

 

[The Dude]

You are not wrong about them being a pig to use but I got used to mine. I bought mine for the "it looks cool" factor so I can't complain about performance. I have the longer barreled version which, with care, can be a very effective pest control gun based on its ability to fill an entire field with high speed metal fairly quickly.

Oh yeah. The whole reason I bought mine was because it looked bad ass and they're in a ton of movies and games. That cured me of buying weapons based on aesthetics alone.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

Oh yeah. The whole reason I bought mine was because it looked bad ass and they're in a ton of movies and games. That cured me of buying weapons based on aesthetics alone.

I find being tall and having long arms makes the SPAS a lot less unwieldy. You've also never lived until you've emptied the entire thing into a scrap caeavan from the hip whilst smoking a cigar.

 

[Francis E. Dec Esc.]

I've decided to build another AR-15 after all the late unpleasantness. I had a couple of lower parts kits sitting around, so I bought a new stripped lower this morning at a gun show. Here it is with the LPK and Hogue grip installed:

I'm waiting on a 16" full upper and Magpul stock and receiver extension from Palmetto State Armory to finish it.

 

[The Dude]

Well it looks like I won't be getting the Rock-Ola M14. But fret not for your pal The Dude, because I'm getting an LRB M14 instead. The forge that make James River Armory/Rock-Ola's receivers and bolts hasn't supplied them with any for a while and won't be able to for a whole, possibly six months. LRB is the other company who uses forged receivers for their M14 style rifles and they've been doing it for a lot longer. They are highly regarded and many people believe that they're the best M14 on the market. I was going to go with the Rock-Ola because I've got a Rock-Ola jukebox. So while it's kind of a bummer that I won't have a Rock-Ola rifle to go with my Rock-Ola jukebox, I'm getting the better rifle out of the deal, and they said they they'll have it for me within three weeks.

What I'm doing is having them build me a barreled action. It's essentially a complete rifle minus the handguard, stock and trigger group. Since I'll be mounting it in a Sage EBR chassis I don't need the handguard or stock, and I can buy a complete trigger group from LRB a little later on.

When I'm done with it it'll look something like this with different optics mounted. I'm still trying to decide if I want to have the EBR chassis CeraKoted in burnt bronze or grey. The bronze makes the most sense since I live in a state with lots of desert and mountains, but the grey looks so sexy and would be more correct to the way the Navy SEALs Mk14s look.

 

[Bassomatic]

So I just found out about this : http://appleseedinfo.org/

With a decent background in shooting (hobbyist/hunter) who's branched off to play around with some defensive stuff and love me some 2 gun. (Granted I blame Ian from Forgotten Weapons for making me run troll set ups) I think this will really help hone my skills put me with like minded people and a great excuse to to pirate everyones brass (jk)

I was told serious on the 22 lr because you shoot a lot, lot per day and even the AR guys were getting tired out. Really until you go longer no need for anything bigger anyway.

I've done some distance longest I've shot is 600 with glass and irons (a built 700 and a ex pu mosin with match) But it was more luck than skill to hit on either. So will be a great way to hone my distance as well as expand up close and hopefully add some speed to it.

 

[The Dude]

So LRB emailed me an invoice on Friday. I called them to inquire about it and they said they had emailed it because my barreled action is ready. They had originally said it would take two to three weeks to build, but they had it built and function fired in slightly over one week. I've got the mounting block/op rod guide for the Sage EBR chassis and the extended bolt catch/release and I'll be shipping it to them this morning for them to install for me.

I'm fucking stoked for this rifle. The M14, particularly the Mk14 Mod 0 variant, is one of my all time favorite firearms. I think I mentioned in a different post that I had bought a Springfield M1A years ago because I had always wanted an M14. The thing is that I had a lot of problems with the rifle, particularly failures to extract spent rounds. I had sent it back to Springfield Armory twice for them to fix it, but I still had problems with it. I wound up selling the rifle and figured my dreams of owning the last great American battle rifle would never be realized. One of my best friends told me about LRB a few years ago when I told him how much I wanted an M14. He owns one that is built up like the M14E2 light machine gun variant with the wood stock with pistol grip and forward vertical grip, and the bipod mounted to the gas cylinder. It's his favorite rifle.

So when I started buying firearms again after I started working after three years of unemployment following the death of my Dad I contacted LRB to see about getting one of their rifles. This was in 2014. At the time they were back-ordered a year, so I decided to get a few other guns that I wanted like my Steyr AUG and LMT MWS308. Jump forward to now, I'm buying this as the last "tactical" rifle I'll be buying until after Mrs. Dude and I buy a house. I figured I should try to finally get one of my last two dream rifles, the other rifle being a semi-automatic M1918A2 Browning Automatic Rifle. The M14 is more affordable than the semi-auto BAR ($2300 vs. $4500 for the BAR) and it's a more practical weapon since I've already got one rifle chambered for the same cartridge and it's much lighter than the BAR.

I'm confident that I've made the best decision with this rifle. LRB is the best firearms manufacturer that I've ever dealt with and they have a dedication to quality that I've never seen before. Every single batch of receivers and bolts that they receive they will take ten units from each batch, randomly selected, and they send them to an independent firm to be tested. Among the tests run is x-raying and ultrasound to ensure they are forged properly, and measuring the dimensions to make sure they are 100% USGI spec. If even one of those ten units being tested fails for ANY reason the whole batch is rejected, sent back to the forge to be scrapped and recycled. That's just one of the little things that they do to ensure their customers are getting the finest, highest quality rifle money can buy.

I'll be overnighting the two parts to them this morning and I should have my barreled action next week. Pretty much all my money I earn July will be going to getting 15 magazines, the trigger group, the Sage EBR chassis, and having the chassis CeraKoted by a local company. CeraKote is a very durable ceramic finish specifically designed for firearms applications. The Sage chassis is normally black, but I'm sick of black guns. I want something a little different. The Mk14 Mod 0 variant of the M14 was designed for the Navy SEALs (who never got rid of their M14s, unlike the Army and Marine Corps) to make their Vietnam era battle rifles better suited to the modern battlefield. They did this by mounting new, shorter 18.5" medium contour barrels with a twist ratio of 1:10" to better stabilize new heavier weight bullets, mounting it in the Sage EBR chassis to have a collapsible stock and rails for mounting optics and other accessories, and a number of other improvements. The SEALs Sage chassis are a grey color. I really like the look of it, but I'm most likely going to have it refinished in a slightly metallic goldish tan color called Burnt Bronze, which looks like this:

 

[waffle]

If you want to get any NFA items on a trust now is the time to do it. The rules change on the 13th, but if you get a trust now you're grandfathered for the next two years. I'm probably going to file a SBR stamp on a AR lower before the rules change.

So I just found out about this : http://appleseedinfo.org/

I did an appleseed about six weeks ago, it was fun as hell but I hadn't been target shooting in about 6mo so I didn't do as well as I would have liked. Bring a shooting mat and make sure you get a USGI web sling. It's a way better test of your equipment that you'd think it would be. I was mad as hell at my 10/22 by the end of the weekend. I never realized how much the groups on that thing open up when it gets hot before. I think I'd have been fine shooting my AR but I wouldn't want to shoot a full bore center fire the whole time. We did about 500 rounds over two days.

 

[Bassomatic]

Trusts are easy also anything already NFA is unaffected.

My fingers are crossed they finally give into suppressors off the list, I love the angle they put on it to really put the SC in a rock and hard place. Either they don't work and why bother or, all the people who need to shoot for a living suffering hearing damage why do you not care about police ears?

Probably sadly, they will say get fucked free cans for LEOs on tax dollars

 

[The Dude]

Trusts are easy also anything already NFA is unaffected.

My fingers are crossed they finally give into suppressors off the list, I love the angle they put on it to really put the SC in a rock and hard place. Either they don't work and why bother or, all the people who need to shoot for a living suffering hearing damage why do you not care about police ears?

Probably sadly, they will say get fucked free cans for LEOs on tax dollars

It's kinda funny the difference in attitudes towards suppressors in the States vs. European countries who allow civilian firearms ownership. A lot of European countries don't even call them suppressors or silencers. They call them mufflers, which is essentially what they are. And they consider it highly rude to discharge a firearm without one mounted. They'll even sell them as part of the package when you buy the rifle from what I've heard. But in the States the mindset goes back to the 30's ignorance where the mentality was that they were tools for murderers. Hollywood has continued to bolster this myth. I hope that they do get deregulated and essentially treated like any other firearm where you buy it, have a background check run, and leave the shop with it the same day instead of the whole $200 tax stamp, two sets of finger prints, passport photo, notifying your local CLEO, AND wait a year for Uncle Sam's little elves to do their fucking job.

 

[waffle]

Trusts are easy also anything already NFA is unaffected.

My fingers are crossed they finally give into suppressors off the list, I love the angle they put on it to really put the SC in a rock and hard place. Either they don't work and why bother or, all the people who need to shoot for a living suffering hearing damage why do you not care about police ears?

Probably sadly, they will say get fucked free cans for LEOs on tax dollars

The SC is unpredictible as fuck right now. The recent decision they made on DV misdemeanors is way out of left field. They can now bar you from owning a firearm because you accidentally scared your wife.

It's kinda funny the difference in attitudes towards suppressors in the States vs. European countries

From what I've read, a lot of getting suppressors listed on the NFA was due to fish and game departments being worried about poachers with silenced 22's. Can't have people unpredictably assassinating animals...

 

[Bassomatic]

To be fair while I'm all for removing them as well as both the GCA and NFA act, just for fun history sake, they were called silencers at first because it's a great sales name. IIRC the very first was a modified muzzle brake on a Maxim gun and Maxim himself made it.

Also anyone who's shot them knows how loud they are a 50 BMG with a can is as loud as a 308, so yea ears are still needed. Now for some stuff like a .22 internally suppressed you hear action it's pretty darned neat.

Also that feel when pulled over for no muffler on car. Wow dick head I'm glad you get a ticket. I'd like to not piss people off at the range, wow ISIS why do you want to kill babies?

Aside the great 200 dollar less, to make them easier (stamps aren't that hard just a wait) will really cause the market to compete a lot more giving us both more options, better prices and more efficient ones. My friend works : http://www.famachineworks.com/about/ and I've got to play with a lot of prototype cans. I'm a spoiled brat.

With stuff like 9mm or other common pistol sizes it just makes 200 rounds so much more comfortable by the end of the day. Stuff like 500+ rounds you can hear around the camp fire.

 

[millais]

Are there such things as indoor rifle ranges? When I was living closer to more rural area, it was always more convenient just to drive out into the sticks to go plinking, but now that I am in a more urban area, it seems like indoor ranges are the only thing close on hand, and the two I visited so far only allow pistol caliber weapons. Not a big concern yet, since the closest thing I have to a rifle is just a lever-action 1894 Marlin in .44 Magnum, but I am curious where city folk go to shoot rifles

 

[The Dude]

Are there such things as indoor rifle ranges? When I was living closer to more rural area, it was always more convenient just to drive out into the sticks to go plinking, but now that I am in a more urban area, it seems like indoor ranges are the only thing close on hand, and the two I visited so far only allow pistol caliber weapons. Not a big concern yet, since the closest thing I have to a rifle is just a lever-action 1894 Marlin in .44 Magnum, but I am curious where city folk go to shoot rifles

Most indoor ranges built in the past 10 years should be rated for rifle rounds. A lot of the older ones are pistol only or possibly shotguns and pistols. Pistol caliber rifles are usually allowed in the older ranges as well. There four indoor ranges near me and only one is not rated for rifle calibers because it was built in the early 80's. One of the ranges also rents out a .50 BMG Barrett 99 single shot rifle, so it's rated for damn near anything short of antitank rounds.

 

[dickwad]

I have a dilemma: To buy a flash hider or a compensator? So a month ago I was in a "leet_tactical_shooting_exercise" where I was positioned to shoot (actually shoot in air, not towards) stalking teams. I was issued some dummy rounds. When I shot the first round everyone saw my position cause of the muzzle flash. This got me thinking that should I buy a flash hider or compensator. Foremost I'm looking to protect the crown but additional bonus feature would be nice. Flashider would hopefully limit the flash and compensator would limit the recoil. The .308 recoils little hard for me (light rifle) for spotting my own shots which I would really like to do.

Flash hider or compensator?
Do blanks make a bigger muzzle flash?

 

[The Dude]

I have a dilemma: To buy a flash hider or a compensator? So a month ago I was in a "leet_tactical_shooting_exercise" where I was positioned to shoot (actually shoot in air, not towards) stalking teams. I was issued some dummy rounds. When I shot the first round everyone saw my position cause of the muzzle flash. This got me thinking that should I buy a flash hider or compensator. Foremost I'm looking to protect the crown but additional bonus feature would be nice. Flashider would hopefully limit the flash and compensator would limit the recoil. The .308 recoils little hard for me (light rifle) for spotting my own shots which I would really like to do.

Flash hider or compensator?
Do blanks make a bigger muzzle flash?

There are a few hybrid flash suppressor/compensators out there. PWS makes one I believe and Surefire has the WarComp. There may be more. Blanks can make more of a flash because it's just gun powder with no projectile.

 

[waffle]

Blanks flash a lot.

Comps are cool but the problem with them is that they make your rifle loud as fuck for the shooter and anyone next to them most of the time. One of the loudest rifles I've ever shot was a Colt Sporter AR-15 with the pinned on AWB ban days comp.