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Were incels avoidable?
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It really shows you guys never knew any incel or you simply don't understand their issues. Sure there are some that hate women but there are people with variety of other issues. Some have social skill issues because they simply didn't have a chance to develop them. It's like raiding a bike but you never had a bike, they never had a chance to practice that skill, because they were simply very shy(or any other similar issue). Let's be real nobody not even incels, want to fuck prostitutes, it's not as simple "lmao just have sex". People naturally seek or desire what they never had or experienced, in incels case its their first youth love experience, emotional bond and first sexual experience. Dating is very, very hostile world for man, especially those with some issues because women by default, have expectation they will find a man who's "ready" and comes with no issues and if they encounter any, thanks to online dating, they have much more wider choice then man. "Incels are boring so no women wants to know them", that's the most laughable take i ever heard. Sure some are but you are oversimplifing things, I've know few incels for years and I can tell you, most of them aren't boring. They just didn't had luck or chance to shine. They aren't that much different then you or me, at least those who don't blame their circumstances on women. It's very complex issue that can't be oversimplified and every case of inceldom is very different.
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This is true. But I also think it specifically is an internet problem, but not for the reason most would think. I'll explain.
For the vast majority of human history about 80% of women procreate and about 40% of men do. We know this by studying the Y and X chromosomes. We all have many more maternal parentage than paternal.
The concept of one man one woman marriage is a roman, greek, chinese and indian custom.
Japan didn't practice it until losing the 2nd WW. I'm pretty sure native americans didnt practice monogamy. Africa still doesn't. Middle east still doesn't.
These worthless men, as judged by women, are mostly invisible. They're men of no import. Sexually their only historic outlet was prostitution. They could not have a woman, but they could rent one. Before women get their feels hurt, I just mean that a husband and wife have each other.
So the existence of incels is a human universal, because even in these structurally monogamous societies our biology results in a far smaller amount of men procreating than women. More than just war deaths and infertility would account for. So even socially monogamous societies in practice culled more men from the gene pool than women.
But these invisible men, the least powerful and meaningful men, can now find each other online. Or more importantly, they are a huge customer base for people to grift to. Even more so because anything besides onlyfans/porn that gets offered to incels receives massive scorn. So only those who manage to weather the scorn can succeed, meaning they get to control even more of that market than if it was less controversial.
Incel men are a human universal. Yes, women are to blame, because they rather share a succesful man than have an unsuccesful one for themselves. But women are only to blame in the regard that their biology is laid out their way in the same way men are to blame for women obsessing over their looks and gettinf plastic surgery. Men would rather have a good looking woman than a good personality one.
And of all the men I speak to, they are generally quite aware of all the issues that women face, sometimes overly so. And all the women I speak to, practically none understand the male experience and least of all that of incels. They don't want to hear it. They don't care. It's hard to think of woman as empathic if you talk about this issue.
Most women base their understanding of men of what men that they chase after. The average advice a woman gives if a man asks for advice on how to get woman is to "tell her how you feel". Decent advice for women, dumb advice for men.
I have an incel adjecant friend who is a little autistic. He's buff, smart, but nonambitious and has difficulty with unfamiliar territory or how you have to communicate with women. He has had one brief relationship with a woman of terrible character that was about to be booted from their dnd group and she tried using him to be able to stay in it.
It was heartbreaking to see him fall in love and try to do anything for her, when it was obvious she was toying with him.
He isn't a terminally online person (like myself and I assume, most people here). He comes off as fairly normal and he has a good group of friends. But if he were a little more isolated, and more online, he could ewsily be mobilised toward pretty much any goal by having some kind of incel podcast that managed to reach him. Muslims promised their incels any women they could capture from the infidels. Give a weapon or two and use them to help spread islam.
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that's a lot of words for "i'm hideously ugly and no one will touch my penis"
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For the vast majority of history, a huge proportion of males died before reproducing whether in war or otherwise. You didn't have loser incels whining about their virginity because they'd have already been dead or sent to a monastery by now.
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Incels are just the mirror to eggless cat ladies. We evolved to pair up and reproduce, and failing at both tends to make people go crazy.
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Sure the entire issue is avoidable, but that would require women to do something they don't want to do, so it won't happen. A lot of these people are a little upset at how men are treated as disposable tools while women get all of the pity. It's a saying of mine: Men suffer, and women complain.
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you should workshop that a little, it's a terrible catchphrase
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Yeah, but that's also why this thread and most discourse surrounding "incels" is dumb, because like I said previously in this thread, it's a completely arbitrary term.
The cultural definition of an incel is usually a very specific type of guy, one whose dick is dry and they're really angry about it, and who see women/sex as trophies (plenty of messed up insecure women do that with men too, it just serves as less of a barrier).
But then those guys wind up getting lumped in with people who aren't getting laid because of a whole litany of other, much less abrasive causes, exclusively over their one unifying trait that they aren't getting it in.
There's a tremendous difference between your Elliot Roger and your Jason Whoever the intelligent and respectful but somewhat awkward and shy dude.
To an extent I think that demonstrates how much culture fuels all this silly bullshit. People are desperate to treat everything in black and white so they have another device to use to act like faggots and draw dividers between us vs. them.
It's a great way for shitty redditor types who are awful in bed and are in terrible, unsatisfying relationships to act like they're superior.
Entire crowds of fat disgusting slobs, low-class trash, emotionally vacant sociopaths, degenerates and retards, but they technically stick it in once in a while so they're better than the chuds.
And it's a great way for a bunch of privileged guys to act like a downtrodden victim class because people won't worship the ground they walk on just for existing, like they so clearly deserve.
You can even see it in threads like these, it's so often a magnet for negativity, cynicism, and finger pointing when the reality is that for the most part, outside that relatively small demographic of complete assholes who very much belong alone, the issue is yet another depressing indication of a fragmented and very troubled society.
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It looks a bit better if I use this version of it: Men suffer; women complain.
Still, I'll keep that in mind.
Still, I'll keep that in mind.
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I think it just means involuntary celibate. The "cultural definition" as you describe it is just this weird definition with added on stuff the same way conspiracy theory has a cultural definition of meaning "kooky wrong idea", when it literally is just a theory about some collusion that might have taken place.
I agree with the general gist of your post. I'm not sure you're aware of how big the incel thing is though. I haven't seen a very good study on the subject yet, but it seems to be quite a significant number, like something like 20%.
I think it's because these same men are typically also the least likely to have many friends so you look around yourself and you don't see many of them.
I don't even think it's poignant. If men didn't complain, we wouldn't think about the fact that there are (so many) incels. And it's not like women don't suffer either. Your quote itself is a kind of complaining.
There is a Thoreau quote that captures the sentiment better. "The mass of men live lives of quiet desperation.... and go to the grave with the song still in them."
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I've never seen anyone who actually calls themselves an incel who isn't either that or worse. Someone who just hasn't had sex is a virgin, and could be that for any number of reasons from religious to other. And not everyone who hasn't gotten laid but wants to is a completely bitter homicidal loser advocating rape and child molestation.
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The thing is that political and scientific advancements have moved away from the original paradigm. Wars are less frequent, people live longer, and believe that death should be avoided whenever possible.
So now there is dilemma in the west. There is a large contingent of "incels" who are socially pressured into "getting a woman", can't get any, but prostitution is banned (By the state) and being celibate is somewhat shunned (By women and men). However, they can't just send off these people to die or just murder them yet, because according to most people (Mostly women) all life is precious.
It remains to be seen if this will cause the collapse of the west. I for one do think there is a chance, but not high. Not until something like 95% of men can't find women. But Rome thought it was an eternal empire for the ages, and every Chinese dynasty thought they would exist ten thousand years.
That doesn't mean that literally everyone else will call them an incel, and eventually, most will start believing it too. Then you get the feedback loop into school shooter territory.
Hostility can be temporary soothed over, but the lingering hatred still festers. Can the the root of this festering illness be cured without getting a woman for most of these types? I do not know.
I do know that truth is not pleasant. What is pleasant is often untruthful. It remains on the person to act and not contemplate for themselves. But they are misled to believe a fundamental mis-truth.
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Being a completely useless retard isn't pleasant either and you're that.
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No, but conflicts were a hell of a lot more common before the World Wars. And even without the warfare, life in general was just shittier for the average joe/jane citizen. You didn't get to live long enough to actually contemplate issues like we do today, especially not when the vast majority of your time was spent working (usually farming).
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I feel like most incels only complain cause they cannot get the same amount of 9/10 pussy that actual chads get. And like of course, if you are shy, do not have very good conversational skills and are not particularly attractive then you won't get hordes of women. How many incels would be willing to settle for a 3/10 radfem who would rather browse instagram all day than do anything? That's the female equivalent.
As a man you have to force yourself to be self-confident, talkative etc. If you won't be then women won't be attracted to you. You are too scared? Too bad, force yourself and overcome those issues.
As a man you have to force yourself to be self-confident, talkative etc. If you won't be then women won't be attracted to you. You are too scared? Too bad, force yourself and overcome those issues.
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Me, personally? That's irrelevant.
And there's no need for the trashcan, you know I'm right. Life today is easier and safer than life 150 years ago was.
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Only if you're a retard. And if you are maybe we really should rev up Aktion T4 again to get rid of you wastes of oxygen.