Were incels avoidable?

[Poop Shoot]

Yeah, why wouldn’t a beautiful woman want to trade the best years of her life in for a mediocre man who expects her to regularly have disappointing sex after being poked at with filthy nails - clitoris completely ignored, be the maid, the caregiver, raise your shitty autistic children, be your therapist, and somehow also bring in a full time income?

A mystery, it is.

Men benefit from marriage more than woman. In fact, woman statistically are happier without marriage, it actually shortens their lives. If you want women and marriage and a life together - Be a better option than being her alone. Because you have no idea the resentment that builds up when a wife knows she’d have a happier life without a big man baby to cater to.

And then these man act like they have no idea why their wives divorce them.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

I'm going to waste my time and give you some advice.

You say most women don't meet your standard these days (not prepared to commit to raising a family). That still means not all. There are some. You might even meet one, stranger things have happened.

When you do, if you are in this "I hate women" mindset, this woman is going to smell that on you. She isn't going to like it. It might well chase her off.

I think the best thing to do is just not focus on women, for now. Don't let those thoughts poison your mind, because even if what you think is true, it's unhealthy to fixate on it.

Absolutely not but thanks for the gesture.

I would rather just raise a child on my own.

 

[Stabmaster Arson II]

Absolutely not but thanks for the gesture.

I would rather just raise a child on my own.

That's not healthy for the child either. It's not the end of the world, and many fine people have come from single parent homes, but men and women are different and fulfil different roles a child needs. It's selfish to set out to deprive a child of its mother.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The problem is that "incel" is a pretty nebulous term.
How much effort does a person have to put in without getting any to be considered an incel?

I know for sure there are a lot of guys out there who aren't getting laid not because there's no women anywhere who'd sleep with them, but simply because they're incapable of maintaining a serious relationship and don't like the idea of pursuing casual sex with people they have little or no emotional attachment to.

Even most angry, self-identified incels could probably scrape together enough money to afford a prostitute once in a while, but they don't for a variety of reasons. Are they still incels then, or are they "volcels"?

There are people who are nominally in relationships, but they have a dissatisfying and almost non-existent sex life. Do they count as incels?

There are a lot of issues surrounding forming relationships and families, but ultimately the entire concept of the incel thing is just pretty dumb and usually has remarkably little to do with sex, which is stupid to treat as a binary entity to begin with.

Well, it's not a nebulous term but people seem to use it beyond its literal meaning. Involuntary celibate simply means people who cannot manage to engage in consensual sex with another person. They're celibate...involuntarily.

It's used to refer to people who are in situations you described but that shouldn't be the case. If someone just isn't putting any effort into getting laid then that's not involuntary. By that logic all straight men are "involuntary non-fags" for not trying to fuck men, it's a bit nonsensical.

 

[The Last Stand]

Absolutely not but thanks for the gesture.

I would rather just raise a child on my own.

Destroy a family dynamic to own the feminists!

 

[Wesley Willis]

The tradcuck incels are the worst. Want to go straight from not bathing for days to raising a family. Good thing you won't reproduce anyway. Just wish natural selection applied to more people than a bunch of fucking weebz.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

That's not healthy for the child either. It's not the end of the world, and many fine people have come from single parent homes, but men and women are different and fulfil different roles a child needs. It's selfish to set out to deprive a child of its mother.

Not to mention being raised by a self-admitted misogynist, and rape apologist (and let's face it, probable actual rapist at this point. If not now, then eventual given his attitude) is way worse than being raised by a single mother.

 

[Stabmaster Arson II]

Not to mention being raised by a self-admitted misogynist, and rape apologist (and let's face it, probable actual rapist) is way worse than being raised by a single mother.

I didn't think bringing that up would sway him so I avoided that argument.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

That's not healthy for the child either. It's not the end of the world, and many fine people have come from single parent homes, but men and women are different and fulfil different roles a child needs. It's selfish to set out to deprive a child of its mother.

Everyone in this thread can say that a woman will be willing to stay in a man and a child's life for the entirety of what is necessary. That doesn't make it true. Women will always leave. Without a doubt, without exception. And starting a family knowing that it is going to be broken apart is worse than raising a child in a broken family to start.

And by the way, only an idiot isn't selfish. No one is going to look out for you but you.

Destroy a family dynamic to own the feminists!

It is not about owning feminists. It is about protecting myself and my child from the woman who would steal from and then abandon us.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I didn't think bringing that up would sway him so I avoided that argument.

It's best to just address it head-on instead of ignoring it. Judging by what he's said here, and in other threads, not calling it out immediately is a disservice.

Everyone in this thread can say that a woman will be willing to stay in a man and a child's life for the entirety of what is necessary. That doesn't make it true. Women will always leave. Without a doubt, without exception. And starting a family knowing that it is going to be broken apart is worse than raising a child in a broken family to start.

And by the way, only an idiot isn't selfish. No one is going to look out for you but you.

It is not about owning feminists. It is about protecting myself and my child from the woman who would steal from and then abandon us.

You mention women leaving a lot. Did your mother do that?

Also, what happens if your child happens to be a girl? Will you view her the same as you do other women?

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

You mention women leaving a lot. Did your mother do that?

Also, what happens if your child happens to be a girl? Will you view her the same as you do other women?

She did. So did my stepmother. So did basically every other woman my father dated when I was growing up. And people call me selfish. No way. I could never hurt someone the way they hurt other people. Every article online is just women looking for some excuse to dump a guy, to leave a guy, to cheat. It's sickening.

And hey, fuck you. I was just having a discussion, and you turn around and say that I'm going to commit crimes? Based on what, that I don't like women? You can't harm someone if you're never around them. Do you understand what hatred means? It means I don't want to look at women. It means I don't want to be anywhere near them. I deal with women enough at work, I avoid them like the plague when I'm outside it.

As far as what happens if my child is a girl, I will raise her to be respectful, loyal and polite, just like my father did for me. Family is completely different. I don't have any problems with my aunt or my female cousin or my grandmother.

 

[Stabmaster Arson II]

She did. So did my stepmother. So did basically every other woman my father dated when I was growing up.

Maybe he was an asshole.

. I don't have any problems with my aunt or my female cousin or my grandmother.

I'm guessing you are in more of a rural community where family tends to matter more.

How do you deal with women at work if you don't even want to look at them? Do you have to speak to them?

 

[Bunny Tracks]

And hey, fuck you. I was just having a discussion, and you turn around and say that I'm going to commit crimes? Based on what, that I don't like women? You can't harm someone if you're never around them. Do you understand what hatred means? It means I don't want to look at women. It means I don't want to be anywhere near them. I deal with women enough at work, I avoid them like the plague when I'm outside it.

Dude, all I'm saying is that anyone who says this:-

"There is an inherent imbalance in power between male and female relationships in a society that does not permit rape. Women are choosy with men to increase their evolutionary success. And men are powerful and capable of raping and killing women to increase their evolutionary success.

I am not saying that we should legalize or tolerate rape, but I am saying that men are in a lose-lose situation and there is no hope."

-has either already hurt someone, or is pretty damn close to actually doing so, and should not be near any children, let alone actually raising some themselves.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

Maybe he was an asshole.


I'm guessing you are in more of a rural community where family tends to matter more.

How do you deal with women at work if you don't even want to look at them? Do you have to speak to them?

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Of course I have to look at women, speak to them. It's work. You deal with all the shit you don't want to, collect your paycheck and go home. I'm sure there are plenty of aspects of your job that you don't like too.

Dude, all I'm saying is that anyone who says this:-

"There is an inherent imbalance in power between male and female relationships in a society that does not permit rape. Women are choosy with men to increase their evolutionary success. And men are powerful and capable of raping and killing women to increase their evolutionary success.

I am not saying that we should legalize or tolerate rape, but I am saying that men are in a lose-lose situation and there is no hope."

-has either already hurt someone, or is pretty damn close to actually doing so, and should not be near any children, let alone actually raising some themselves.

And you are absolutely incorrect. I can speak frankly and honestly about human nature without ever getting violent. You called me a rape apologist and I absolutely am. I do not give a single shit about women being raped because I am not a woman in the same way that I do not give a single shit about other men being robbed because those men are not me. I have enough problems in my life without worrying about people I don't know and have never met. Being apathetic is not the same as wishing harm upon others. There is no hidden meaning behind anything I'm saying, if I wanted to harm or rape women I would admit to it freely.

 

[Stabmaster Arson II]

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

About what, you being rural or your dad being an asshole?

. I do not give a single shit about women being raped because I am not a woman in the same way that I do not give a single shit about other men being robbed because those men are not me

I'd actually say this makes you not a misogynist, in some twisted sort of way. You're just a fucking psychopath/sociopath who doesn't care about anything that isn't useful to you. Can you get a reservation at the Dorsia?

 

[Bunny Tracks]

And you are absolutely incorrect. I can speak frankly and honestly about human nature without ever getting violent. You called me a rape apologist and I absolutely am. I do not give a single shit about women being raped because I am not a woman in the same way that I do not give a single shit about other men being robbed because those men are not me. I have enough problems in my life without worrying about people I don't know and have never met. Being apathetic is not the same as wishing harm upon others. There is no hidden meaning behind anything I'm saying, if I wanted to harm or rape women I would admit to it freely.

I will raise her to be respectful, loyal and polite, just like my father did for me.

Lmao.

Does your dad know about this btw? Like about your views on women? Are they the same as his?

About what, you being rural or your dad being an asshole?


I'd actually say this makes you not a misogynist, in some twisted sort of way. You're just a fucking psychopath/sociopath who doesn't care about anything that isn't useful to you. Can you get a reservation at the Dorsia?

Well, you know what they say.

Daddy issues make you a people-pleaser.

Mommy issues make you a sociopath.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

The notion of "involuntary celibacy" doesn't make sense, anyhow, since celibacy is intrinsically voluntary.

It's not as if the complex that "incel" refers to isn't real, it's just that the term is dumb.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

About what, you being rural or your dad being an asshole?

My father.

I'd actually say this makes you not a misogynist, in some twisted sort of way. You're just a fucking psychopath/sociopath who doesn't care about anything that isn't useful to you. Can you get a reservation at the Dorsia?

What the hell is a Dorsia? Some restaurant for rich people? No lol.

But that's weird that you would admit that family matters to me and then immediately say I'm a sociopath, that sounds like it contradicts a bit.

I call myself a misogynist because women make me angry in ways that men do not.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

Lmao.

Does your dad know about this btw? Like about your views on women? Are they the same as his?

He does know and it makes him cringe and he chastises me every time I bring it up, but he respects me enough to have a discussion about things he disagrees with. We don't talk about women too much though, too busy dealing with my grandmother's health and work and other things in life.

Well, you know what they say.

Daddy issues make you a people-pleaser.

Mommy issues make you a sociopath.

And whose fault is that, exactly? You act as though I haven't been wronged by women. I notice you went out of your way to ask me if my mother had left and then when I said she had you didn't have any follow-up.

 

[Stabmaster Arson II]

But that's weird that you would admit that family matters to me and then immediately say I'm a sociopath, that sounds like it contradicts a bit

I said you only care about things that are useful to you. I assume your family is.

My father.

At least we know you've talked to him about this.

I don't want to sound patronising, but are there any social type places you can go in your town or are you just insulated among your family? Outside of work I mean. Any bars at least? Or swimming pools, fuck I don't know paintball? I think you need to live a bit more out in the world mate, it would do you good.