Were incels avoidable?

Alexander Thaut said:
I think the issue with incels isn't that they exist, it's more like a lot of them see women on their level actively whoring out and acting like they deserve the top 10% of men then go and whine that they can't behave like their own equivalent level of female counterparts.
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Always remember that the female foreveralone reddit ended up restricting DMs because the women were getting asked out too frequently.

It's quite simple:
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Shadfan666xxx000 said:
It's all about flow and patience with both of yourselves. Make it happen with pleasure and don't be discouraged. Bad stuff and rejections happen all the time. Don't get paranoid or sour.
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Implying the girl wants to keep seeing the guy past the first date.
davids877 said:
Also it strikes me that dating advice is always: Draw some circles, draw the rest of the fucking owl.
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Because people can't be bothered to explain nuances to make them more comprehensible instead of just random shit you often miss the mark. And they can't explain it on a practical level that goes beyond PUA/Redpill YT channel bullshit and keep repeating the same old tired advices:

1. "Let women talk. They like to talk." - Dosen't apply if she dosen't feel like talking
2. "Just be yourself" - Whatever the fuck that means nowadays
3. "Be the better version of yourself" - Dosen't apply for people with severe self-esteem issues
4. "Just be honest with her and show your intentions early on" - Best case scenario: Dude can come of as a creep/chump. Worst case scenario: He earns a restraining order
5. "You just have to show confidence" - See number 3. Also, if the girl feels bored/annoyed around your ass you might as well stick that confidence up yours
6. "Just tell he right away" - See number 6. Also, can't rush it up
7. "Just go with the flow" - Also, can't take too long. Keep sitting on the fence long enough and she'll either lose interest or think that you're seeking for a fucktoy
CowPox said:
You will always be undesirable to women.
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White-knighting won't grant you pussy. Women will still ignore you.
Coping won't make men care for your whore antics. You'll still be half-time entertainment.
 
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Incels weren't really avoidable because we reached a point where male and female interactions just don't really align like they used to. In the past, it was much more standard for people to seek out approval from their local communities because there just wasn't anything else to do. You pretty much had to develop sex appeal or you would fade into obscurity as a recluse. Recently, with all the distractions in the form of pop culture fandoms, social media, Discord servers, subreddits, niche interests forums (*ahem*), it's much easier for people to be social enough to stave off the insanity from isolation but without having to learn how to turn on the charm.

As more and more of our interactions take place online, there's going to be a degree of learned autism in the body language and fliriting departments because you just can't figure that shit through text all that well. A few people will realize their habits are getting in the way of their physical desires and branch out, but most will seethe about it online out of sheer resignation. They'll be stuck in the ambivalence between their biolgical drive for sex and their apathy towards learning how the dating game works. All this before you take into account political/social differences between the sexes that further degrades at people's desires to find a partner. It's a vicious cycle in a lot of ways, so I don't really blame anyone for thinking modern courtship isn't worth the hassle, (I'm not fully convinced myself) but at some point the fixation on subject becomes unhealthy.
 
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Ser Prize said:
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The funny part about the comic on the right was the buttbroken author's cognitive dissonance, he was bitching about people "not getting it" because what the woman wanted was a friend and not a boyfriend.

My problem with women who want a male friend but not a bf is that 99% of the time what they want is somebody who will do for them the same favors a bf would but without the romantic/sexual part or lets be honest any sort of reciprocity really. They don't want an actual friend and they are completely unwilling to share in any non-female hobby that would create a reason to spend time with them.

Sure some honestly want a male friend and might actually share some interests with you, but those aren't bitching about being "lonely" because they do have friends.
Celestial Peace said:
Dosen't apply if she dosen't feel like talking
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Really common these days because she can always pick her phone and chat with anyone anywhere.
 
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cybertoaster said:
The funny part about the comic on the right was the buttbroken author's cognitive dissonance, he was bitching about people "not getting it" because what the woman wanted was a friend and not a boyfriend.

My problem with women who want a male friend but not a bf is that 99% of the time what they want is somebody who will do for them the same favors a bf would but without the romantic/sexual part or lets be honest any sort of reciprocity really. They don't want an actual friend and they are completely unwilling to share in any non-female hobby that would create a reason to spend time with them.

Sure some honestly want a male friend and might actually share some interests with you, but those aren't bitching about being "lonely" because they do have friends.

Really common these days because she can always pick her phone and chat with anyone anywhere.
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Men and women generally have fundamental friendship dynamics. When a girl wants a male 'friend' she wants a male superfriend/orbiter who will do anything she wants because she knows he's into her. It's why they can almost never be friends, at least not close friends who hang out.
 
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Fatniggo1488 said:
Yes, just realize that Islam is unironically right about women.
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This pretty much, along with this:

davids877 said:
All men pay for sex.
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Of course incels can be prevented, but it does require that women be heavily constrained such that their only reasonable path to gain resources/status is through marriage. Many women, maybe even most, won't have much interest in a relationship that doesn't bring them any additional money or status. This isn't because they are evil or something, it's just basic evolutionary biology (same reason men are willing to fuck anything that moves).
 
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Ser Prize said:
Men and women generally have fundamental friendship dynamics. When a girl wants a male 'friend' she wants a male superfriend/orbiter who will do anything she wants because she knows he's into her. It's why they can almost never be friends, at least not close friends who hang out.
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That's basically what I said, I seen some cases of close male-female friendship but those are rare because more women are used to get tons of favors and free stuff from men, its almost a given for them so when a guy wants to be friends but wont give her any of that because they are only friends she takes is as some sort of slight or offense.
 
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cybertoaster said:
That's basically what I said, I seen some cases of close male-female friendship but those are rare because more women are used to get tons of favors and free stuff from men, its almost a given for them so when a guy wants to be friends but wont give her any of that because they are only friends she takes is as some sort of slight or offense.
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I know, was just agreeing and adding on. I think for a male - female friendship to be possible there must be a certain distance, or they have to be asexual in terms of any shared attraction. Honestly doesn't seem worth the hassle for facebook memes and hearing about that bitch at work.
 
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Ser Prize said:
I know, was just agreeing and adding on. I think for a male - female friendship to be possible there must be a certain distance, or they have to be asexual in terms of any shared attraction. Honestly doesn't seem worth the hassle for facebook memes and hearing about that bitch at work.
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I think that first and foremost you need something in common, like at least the same hobby.
 
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