Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Yeah... This really just feels like Amazing World of Gumball, if that show sucked royal ass (which it doesn't, IMHO; At all.). For me, that's because there's just no sense of that charm, wit, conviction, direction, nor meaning (which there is plenty of in Amazing World of Gumball, to be sure) that can be found here, compare to that.
When I can gauge that much just from just the very first episode alone, that's pretty telling of some unfortunate things, honestly.

I don't think CN (in the US) wouldn't really be missing out on anything to just ignore this. They should focus on hiring better artists to get some real variety for themselves, more than anything; definitely not falling back on Tumblr-level hackery like this (nor Social Justice Universe, either.).

But see, the problem is that CN will fall back on this, like they have in the past with other Canadian shows like TDI and Johnny Test. And even shows like TTG. It's just how shitty their program managers have become.

 

[Shokew]

But see, the problem is that CN will fall back on this, like they have in the past with other Canadian shows like TDI and Johnny Test. And even shows like TTG. It's just how shitty their program managers have become.

... And I wish I could argue against that cold hard truth, which it is. So I can't. Nor will I. Only CN can realize their own mistakes - we can only point them out like the cartoon autists we truly are.

 

[Trilby]

... And I wish I could argue against that cold hard truth, which it is. So I can't. Nor will I. Only CN can realize their own mistakes - we can only point them out like the cartoon autists we truly are.

We can pray for the day someone from higher up on CN steps down and a new guy who might have a brain takes over to fix it.

 

[Trilby]

One of those unexepted moments happened for me just an hour ago. Someone on YouTube I left a positive comment on the films he had placed up on YouTube some 7 years or so back had just responded with this...

"These were rescued from a huge room of unwanted old educational films (originally distributed to public schools in the 1970's). They were just slowly rotting in boxes, thousands and thousands of reels, in an abandoned building on a certain California college campus, with the roof leaking, pigeon droppings on them, mold, etc.. On 3-4 foggy, rainy nights with low visibility (to avoid being spotted by police) I snuck into the building with a flashlight and spent hours prowling the stacked boxes, even napping on the floor in the cold and dark when I got tired. I skipped quaint ones like "How to use a bunsen burner" and picked out the ones that looked like they might be animations, piled them near the exit door, and rushed them into my truck when done. Everything I salvaged is here, and there will never be more from me, even if that room is still there...."

I'm only glad that he did that at all. I would've done the same had I known of such a room. What he did pick at least were some of the best foreign animated goodness you rare hear about!
https://www.youtube.com/user/obscureanimations

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Semper fi to that man for rescuing those tapes. It's always sad to hear of old tapes and reels being left forgotten in old storage sheds and buildings simply because someone wasn't arsed enough to properly store them or even understand what it was they had in their possession.

I also can't be the only one who thinks Peter looks an awful lot like Sherman.

 

[Laughs_Under_Lucricities]

I've always wondered about the disparities between the terms 'western animation' and 'anime'.

Where does something in the west begin to blur into anime in viewers' minds? Like, no one would ever confuse the Jetsons or The Simpsons (or any other adult comedy), yet others like the Avatar series and even those wannbe anime type shows dubbed in English from France or somewhere, often get miscalculated as anime.
I know the Avatar series (and least with Korra) uses actual Japanese studios for their animation, but even with the original, which was in India or some other Eastern country that wasn't Japan still got lumped the same.

And how funny that in Japan itself, the term "anime" just means "cartoon", so everything animated, brought over or native, is still called anime over there.

Anyone got any ideas?

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I've always wondered about the disparities between the terms 'western animation' and 'anime'.

Where does something in the west begin to blur into anime in viewers' minds? Like, no one would ever confuse the Jetsons or The Simpsons (or any other adult comedy), yet others like the Avatar series and even those wannbe anime type shows dubbed in English from France or somewhere, often get miscalculated as anime.
I know the Avatar series (and least with Korra) uses actual Japanese studios for their animation, but even with the original, which was in India or some other Eastern country that wasn't Japan still got lumped the same.

And how funny that in Japan itself, the term "anime" just means "cartoon", so everything animated, brought over or native, is still called anime over there.

Anyone got any ideas?

Wannabe anime is just that, wannabe anime. In the West, anime only refers to cartoons made in Japan, or at the very least co-produced in Japan. If a cartoon uses a Japanese studio for the animation, as happened a lot in the 80s and 90s, it's not necessarily anime.

In Japan, however, anime is just cartoons, period; though Western cartoons are generally found on cable only over there.

 

[Trilby]

Semper fi to that man for rescuing those tapes. It's always sad to hear of old tapes and reels being left forgotten in old storage sheds and buildings simply because someone wasn't arsed enough to properly store them or even understand what it was they had in their possession.

I also can't be the only one who thinks Peter looks an awful lot like Sherman.

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You're not alone! I suppose any kid with spectacles is often given this generic look by default.

Hungary has made some pretty cool toonage though, here's one fave!

In Japan, however, anime is just cartoons, period; though Western cartoons are generally found on cable only over there.

Just like the way we've treated foreign animation over here, Pay/Cable TV was the best outlet they had!

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Wannabe anime is just that, wannabe anime. In the West, anime only refers to cartoons made in Japan, or at the very least co-produced in Japan. If a cartoon uses a Japanese studio for the animation, as happened a lot in the 80s and 90s, it's not necessarily anime.

I do believe I understand the gist of it, but now how does something like Mighty Orbots, Ramayana, and the Marvel anime get counted as anime? Is it simply because it's heavily involved in Japanese production and not by out-sourcing that it therefore counts as anime?

 

[Trilby]

I do believe I understand the gist of it, but now how does something like Mighty Orbots, Ramayana, and the Marvel anime get counted as anime? Is it simply because it's heavily involved in Japanese production and not by out-sourcing that it therefore counts as anime?

On that regard, you could throw in TMS' "Sherlock Hound" and it's really a total question mark given much more involvement there was on the Japanese side than Italian.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

I do believe I understand the gist of it, but now how does something like Mighty Orbots, Ramayana, and the Marvel anime get counted as anime? Is it simply because it's heavily involved in Japanese production and not by out-sourcing that it therefore counts as anime?

Beats me but then you got stuff like Transformers G1 or the early-mid 80s DiC stuff (like Inspector Gadget) with have pretty even staff numbers on both sides.

 

[Sigma]

The first Trailer dropped for the upcoming Castlevania Nexflix show. It actually looks great.

 

[Shokew]

The first Trailer dropped for the upcoming Castlevania Nexflix show. It actually looks great.

Almost makes me wanna play some of these games again. And watch this show, let's not forget that.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Wasn't sure if I wanted to necro the Sing thread to post this, but I think the issues brought up here applies for many other properties and not just the film itself.

Fun fact: my brothers got mad at me for not taking a side with this film. I said I couldn't hate it or like it (still think it's better than Secret Life of Pets), because I literally didn't know what to think of it, and they wouldn't take my neutrality for an answer like the spergs they are. Never saw it again since, never cared to, but Alex basically said everything better than whatever I could've come up then. Chances are they won't agree with what he has to say if I were to show this to them.

My family will put up with bad movies for some strange reason...

 

[Trilby]

Wasn't sure if I wanted to necro the Sing thread to post this, but I think the issues brought up here applies for many other properties and not just the film itself.

Fun fact: my brothers got mad at me for not taking a side with this film. I said I couldn't hate it or like it (still think it's better than Secret Life of Pets), because I literally didn't know what to think of it, and they wouldn't take my neutrality for an answer like the spergs they are. Never saw it again since, never cared to, but Alex basically said everything better than whatever I could've come up then. Chances are they won't agree with what he has to say if I were to show this to them.

My family will put up with bad movies for some strange reason...

I suppose like Roland Emmerich, Illumination Entertainment would rather make "popcorn movies" as opposed to creating challenging films. It's definately where the money goes and very obvious how 'smart' they were when it came to the budget overhead behing what it is here with the limited character models and settings employed. They cut corners for a reason with "Sing".

Now I'd love to see IHE's take on "Rock Dog", I'm sure that deserves to crapped on as well!

 

[Hummingbird]

I suppose like Roland Emmerich, Illumination Entertainment would rather make "popcorn movies" as opposed to creating challenging films. It's definately where the money goes and very obvious how 'smart' they were when it came to the budget overhead behing what it is here with the limited character models and settings employed. They cut corners for a reason with "Sing".

Now I'd love to see IHE's take on "Rock Dog", I'm sure that deserves to crapped on as well!

Granted, I did enjoy the first Despicable Me. At least it was an original concept and was surprisingly sweet in a few parts among the dark humor.

 

[Trilby]

Granted, I did enjoy the first Despicable Me. At least it was an original concept and was surprisingly sweet in a few parts among the dark humor.

I'm sure one film was enough, of course that money kept coming in and who could blame 'em for wanting more!

 

[Shokew]

Granted, I did enjoy the first Despicable Me. At least it was an original concept and was surprisingly sweet in a few parts among the dark humor.

Yeah - this first film, while nothing truly spectacular, was all that was really needed. Despicable Me always felt like a one-and-done thing, had greed not gotten in the way of that cold hard truth.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

I suppose like Roland Emmerich, Illumination Entertainment would rather make "popcorn movies" as opposed to creating challenging films. It's definately where the money goes and very obvious how 'smart' they were when it came to the budget overhead behing what it is here with the limited character models and settings employed. They cut corners for a reason with "Sing".

Now I'd love to see IHE's take on "Rock Dog", I'm sure that deserves to crapped on as well!

Also don't forget that the animation was outsourced like all of Illumination's films, that usually helps in cutting down costs.

 

[Hummingbird]

I'm sure one film was enough, of course that money kept coming in and who could blame 'em for wanting more!

I admit that I had no real problem with a sequel since I was curious what Gru's life would be like after the first film. Would he try for a normal life, go the other way and be a hero or stay a bad guy and maybe the girls would get involved?