Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[Commander X]

I rewatched "We're Back a Dinosaur's Story" recently. Was the message supposed to be "don't work for the circus" or "don't become the monster others think you are"? All I know is John Goodman was the best voice in there.

The casting on this film was totally batshit: Walter Cronkite, Leno, Julia Child?!?

Never cared for this movie, it was the product of the animation wing of Spielberg's Amblin Entertainment attempting to plagiarize the Don Bluth style in-house after they'd lost the actual Bluth, and ended up out-Bluthing all of the negative aspects of Bluth's work, producing a film that's unpleasant and treacly, the moods and tones all over the place.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

I think American Animation can rise out of the rut, it just needs better writers,

specifically writers that don't get their "humor" from internet memes or go the "LOL RANDOM" route like everything else does these days.

 

[God of Nothing]

specifically writers that don't get their "humor" from internet memes or go the "LOL RANDOM" route like everything else does these days.

Humor requires the ability to offend. And taking the piss out of anything is a big no no these days.

 

[Toolbox]

I think American Animation can rise out of the rut, it just needs better writers, and more creative ideas.

I think it's only possible once the dying TV networks and their partners finally lose their grip.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Humor requires the ability to offend. And taking the piss out of anything to the left of Mao is a big no no these days.

FTFY. Right-wingers/white males/Drumpf are acceptable targets.

 

[God of Nothing]

FTFY. Right-wingers/white males/Drumpf are acceptable targets.

there's taking the piss out of something and then there's attacking a strawman

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

there's taking the piss out of something and then there's attacking a strawman

It hits different when you realize that said "strawmen" is what they actually believe their targets are.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

What caused the whole Animation=for kids (and now manchildren at twitter) in america?
Why did the Japanese avoided having their animation fall into the same pitfall?

 

[Trilby]

What caused the whole Animation=for kids (and now manchildren at twitter) in america?
Why did the Japanese avoided having their animation fall into the same pitfall?

I feel education being as strict as it is in Japan was why that happened.

 

[Yeshuash]

What caused the whole Animation=for kids (and now manchildren at twitter) in america?
Why did the Japanese avoided having their animation fall into the same pitfall?

It's just a guess on my part but I believe it's do to the success of Disney that led to him basically having a monopoly on full feature animated movies.

Sure there was Warner Bros. and a few others that did animated shorts but for almost a century going to se an animated movie or show was referred to "going to see Disney". And what did Disney Studios specialize in? Fairytales and children's stories in general thus cementing the idea that animated = for kids.

The Japanese did not have that, there was no on big animation studio brand to be at the top. Instead, there where allot of smaller ones that would sometimes work together and exchange employees. So experimentation and a wider choice in genres was possible.

 

[Trilby]

It's just a guess on my part but I believe it's do to the success of Disney that led to him basically having a monopoly on full feature animated movies.

Sure there was Warner Bros. and a few others that did animated shorts but for almost a century going to se an animated movie or show was referred to "going to see Disney". And what did Disney Studios specialize in? Fairytales and children's stories in general thus cementing the idea that animated = for kids.

The Japanese did not have that, there was no on big animation studio brand to be at the top. Instead, there where allot of smaller ones that would sometimes work together and exchange employees. So experimentation and a wider choice in genres was possible.

Some of us Americans really envy that about Japan.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

It's just a guess on my part but I believe it's do to the success of Disney that led to him basically having a monopoly on full feature animated movies.

Sure there was Warner Bros. and a few others that did animated shorts but for almost a century going to se an animated movie or show was referred to "going to see Disney". And what did Disney Studios specialize in? Fairytales and children's stories in general thus cementing the idea that animated = for kids.

The Japanese did not have that, there was no on big animation studio brand to be at the top. Instead, there where allot of smaller ones that would sometimes work together and exchange employees. So experimentation and a wider choice in genres was possible.

America also never had a film like Akira that pushed the envelope that animated movies can be for adults without it being ironic.

 

[Yamma Damma]

America also never had a film like Akira that pushed the envelope that animated movies can be for adults without it being ironic.

Never? Heavy Metal was damn close.

 

[Colon capital V]

So Pixar's trailer for Elemental dropped a day ago:

Absolutely have no clue how this is gonna turn out, but as usual about anything nu-disney, it'll probably just be a mediocre love story filled with trials and tribulations. Finding oneself, trying to stop the universe from falling apart because one of the important elements are missing, all that shit.

 

[Yeshuash]

Never? Heavy Metal was damn close.

I mean, it was an anthology of animated shorts. Not one unified story.

Also, the western animation industry has this problem where when they try to be mature all they do is add swearing, sex and allot of violence, without any actual context for it being there.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

So Pixar's trailer for Elemental dropped a day ago:

Absolutely have no clue how this is gonna turn out, but as usual about anything nu-disney, it'll probably just be a mediocre love story filled with trials and tribulations. Finding oneself, trying to stop the universe from falling apart because one of the important elements are missing, all that shit.

What if ancient style elements had emotions?

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

What if ancient style elements had emotions?

dude, that’s not any different from this movie.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

So Pixar's trailer for Elemental dropped a day ago:

Absolutely have no clue how this is gonna turn out, but as usual about anything nu-disney, it'll probably just be a mediocre love story filled with trials and tribulations. Finding oneself, trying to stop the universe from falling apart because one of the important elements are missing, all that shit.

So, Inside Out 2 but with ATLA elements?
...
Good?

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Absolutely have no clue how this is gonna turn out, but as usual about anything nu-disney, it'll probably just be a mediocre love story filled with trials and tribulations. Finding oneself, trying to stop the universe from falling apart because one of the important elements are missing, all that shit.

The elements and elemental powers are so overrated and overused.

 

[God of Nothing]

The elements and elemental powers are so overrated and overused.

Eh, depends on execution. Elemental powers work because they're simple. Same as super strength, speed, or any other basic ability. Avatar (Last Airbender at least) worked because of the style the power was used with and how it tied into the setting itself. If it's just flash (looking at you, part 2 Naruto, Korra, and Pokemon) it's the biggest meh.