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There is an art to ugly styles, sadly that art is lost. Shows like South Park and Beavis & Butthead were made intentionally ugly and stiff, but at least they still had charm and some level of pleasing visuals.
There's a difference between ugly style where some of the characters are ugly (like B&B) and where the whole world is hideous, like Big Mouth. Even in original B&B, Daria is still cute. Similarly, some ugly styles have cuteness of a weird sort to them. Think Basil Wolverton.

Ugly?
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Well, yes, definitely ugly. Charming though? Yes, definitely.

There is nothing charming about the Big Mouth style. It is just an affront to the senses.
 
Looks and sounds generic as hell, and I'd bet they're gotta shove a hint of woke shit up it's ass. That's not my Superman.

Superman: TAS will always be the goat.
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I really hate the Voltron art style it has, would rather have the Archer style modern DC animated flicks are going with. Lois' design is also super off-putting given it looks like an Owl House character. I genuinely want to know who the black guy is that Superman fights. I swear, if it is black Lex Luthor, then that will be peak comedy.

I don't know. I guess new Supes isn't egregious yet, but I didn't see anything stand out as particularly good. Rate me optimistic, but my hope would be that this is a Justice League Action situation where it looks bland/bad, but turns out to have quite a bit of heart.

At least now we have seen one of DC's new animated series. We still got:
  • Batman: Caped Crusader
  • Creature Commandos
  • Wonder Woman??
coming. Again, not really sold on any of these being worthwhile.


If we are lucky, maybe DC will right their wrongs and hire Faust back for DC Super Hero Girls season 3. That is the one thing I can see salvaging this.
 
I didn't even realize this was going to be an adult swim thing when art from it was posted earlier. What, is it going to be an even more current year Invincible?
I believe it was designed for CN as it and Batman Caped Crusader were on CN's new series list back in like 2020-2021. CN is a dead brand I guess, and this is just evidence towards Adult Swim absorbing the channel.
 
I believe it was designed for CN as it and Batman Caped Crusader were on CN's new series list back in like 2020-2021. Adult Swim is consuming the channel, so I think they are putting kids shows on Adult Swim now.
God I hope they realize that's not what Adult Swim is for. If this really is just a rejected CN show AS is going to be going to the void with them too. If they have half a brain they'll bin anything that was supposed to be coming out of modern Cartoon Network. I have a feeling this superman cartoon isn't going to do all that well which will push them towards doing that anyway.
 
God I hope they realize that's not what Adult Swim is for. If this really is just a rejected CN show AS is going to be going to the void with them too. If they have half a brain they'll bin anything that was supposed to be coming out of modern Cartoon Network. I have a feeling this superman cartoon isn't going to do all that well which will push them towards doing that anyway.
It is less rejected show, and more CN being a dead brand. WB liquidated the shit out of CN to make them an extension of WB and HBO Max. CN just isn't a brand anymore, so I think they are moving any show that may get an older audience to Adult Swim.

Trying to recall, but 2020 had this massive initiative to save CN and strengthen the brand. The big addition was Cartoonito as CN's way of getting into the preschool market like Nick and Disney. This included shows like Bat Wheels, Looney Tunes Bugs Bunny Builders, Tom & Jerry Time, Jessica's Big Little World, Thomas & Friends: All Engines Go!, Care Bears: Unlock The Magic, Lucas The Spider, etc.. On top of that, CN was to get Superman and Batman, both of which seemingly fell through as Adult Swim now has Superman and Batman is supposedly going to Hulu. The other things we found out was that Powerpuff Girls was getting another reboot with CN and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends was to be rebooted as an educational show with Cartoonito, both headed by series creator Craig. Other than that, I recall Adventure Time getting the Fionna & Cake spin-off series, which is now just a 10-episode mini-series going to HBO Max.

All this to say, CN has been beaten to death for streaming content and to be a WB Kids 2. It is no longer CN, just Warner's children's channel where they air their DC movies and TTG. One of CN's biggest events since 2020 was literally a Harry Potter quiz show. The brand is ungodly dead at this point with Adult Swim and Cartoonito aiming to eat it alive. I believe CN only made up 6 hours of its schedule, which has now decreased to give AS more time. Before people blame the programming for CN's death, the root of the problem is general mismanagement on WB's part. They keep messing with the channel for HBO Max/Boomerang streaming service or to have a WB kids network.
 
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What about the health of WB as a whole? Feels like all they're doing these days is finding new ways to shoot themselves in the foot. Even their newer DC animated movies don't seem to generate the sort of hype they used to outside of the specific fan circles that always orbited around them.
 
So this is a thing that's been on my mind....

Things I Wish Would Come Back to Western Animation

1. Educational content, including outright educational cartoons. Surprise surprise, it was usually leftists who bitched about things like the PSAs at the end of He-Man episodes, and I'll admit a lot of times the "educational" aspects were cheating by just preaching morals or giving lame advice.... but some effort is better than no effort, and honestly it was a way to give even the most pointless garbage some redeeming value. Also, some educational cartoons--most notably Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego?--were legit awesome.

Only caveat is that I know how this would go in modern circles--"educational" would be things like discussing gender B.S. So maybe wait until the pendulum has thoroughly swung back the other way to reintroduce this aspect of cartoons.

2. Cartoons based on American history. Am I the only one who has noticed this basically never happens anymore? The last one I can think of is Liberty's Kids, a PBS cartoon about kids living during the American Revolution.

Seems like it used to be pretty common. Hector Heathcote, This is America, Charlie Brown! and so many others.... and why not? relatively young as the country is, America still has stories worth telling. But for some reason, these kinds of shows dried up in the last two decades.

My best guess is that the sudden disappearance of this entire genre is down to politics.

3. Characters who acted like normal people.

So I recently found out there was a Rainbow Brite revival in 2014, which wound up lasting three episodes. I didn't watch it... the trailer for it told me all I needed to know. Just... you go from how likable this character was in the 1983s, and suddenly have her acting like... well... that.... and right away, I don't care anymore.

On that note:

4. ORIGINAL properties.

I remember some pages back there was a lot of smack-talk about how in the 1980s "nothing got approved unless it was attached to a major IP." ... I'm not sure what crack ya'll were smoking because that's patently not true, indeed one of the stand-out things about the 1980s is just how many new things were birthed in that decade.

He-Man and She-Ra? Didn't exist before the 1980s.
Thundercats? Didn't exist before the 1980s.
Inspector Gadget? Didn't exist before the 1980s.
Garfield? Just barely existed before the 1980s.
The Real Ghostbusters? Unless you wanna play six-degrees-of-separation, basically didn't exist before the 1980s.
Transformers? While the toys existed (under the name "Diaclone"), the thing we recognize today basically didn't exist before 1980.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Didn't exist before the 1980s.

Stuff like G.I. Joe, which legit had a legacy before the 1980s, were in the minority. And actually of those, G.I. Joe itself is the only one that remained a thing.... I remember growing up, I didn't even know Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man got cartoons in the 1980s--with Bats and Spidey I spent a long time thinking their 1990s Fox Kids shows were their first airings ever. Superman I knew about the old Fleischer shorts but not the Ruby-Spears series.

The 1990s also has an almost-as-impressive track record, but it was also the first decade where nostalgia baiting was an actual thing that seemed to gain some sort of foothold. Which of course brings me to today where pretty much every other cartoon is a remake or revival. Like for fucks sakes there's a revival of Toxic Crusaders on the horizon! What's next, is Little Dracula gonna make a comeback too?

............ Maybe later I'll come up with more for this list.
 
What about the health of WB as a whole? Feels like all they're doing these days is finding new ways to shoot themselves in the foot. Even their newer DC animated movies don't seem to generate the sort of hype they used to outside of the specific fan circles that always orbited around them.
Long WB sperging…
WB has historically been a train wreck for ages now. They seem to have had a management of air heads, presidents grabbing money and running, a marketing division run by baboons, and general dumping of cash on useless shit for the bitter part of 3 decades.

The CW has been a financial sink even before woke. CNN has also been an increasing one, even producing a failed streaming service that lasted like 10 days.

WB had a broadway division that was a consistent failure, only producing Charlie and The Chocolate Factory, and BeetleJuice, a show that needed TikTok to get any money.

WB’s animation division, specifically movies, has always been shit as the marketing division screwed over Mask of The Phantasm, The Iron Giant, and Cats Don’t Dance. Literally every animated feature failed besides Space Jam and The LEGO Movie, maybe LEGO Batman.

DC has been mismanaged to shit, with tons of weird mandates such as making Batman a teen (this is why Batman Beyond was made), not allowing for villains/side kicks to appear in multiple iterations at a time, etc.. There was also tons of weird deals between Cartoon Network and WB Kids, which really split up the DCAU. There have also been rumors that WB shut down shows like Teen Titans due to a failure to market to a hefty female audience that was viewing them. On the live action side, there was writer strikers which prevented Justice League from happening in 08. The current DC movies are products of a continuously changing studio. There have been 3 heads at DC with Zack and his edge lord films, then Hamada with his all-female JL idea, and now Gunn. Not to mention how the president of WB screwed over Justice League by rushing it so he can get a good payout by the end of the year.

Going into specifically CN. WB pretty much moved most of WB Kids content to it after the channel implosions, giving CN Johnny Test and making it the main hub for Warner cartoons. As streaming came about, there was a huge a push for CN to be the first with the Boomerang app. I hold the belief that TTG making up the bulk of the channel was deliberate to push people towards streaming. That failed, but with HBO Max, WB liquidated everything they owned to prop the service up. This becomes very evident with Space Jam 2 and Multiversus, both pushing to make WB a brand much like Disney.

Currently. WB’s end game seems to be brand cohesion. They are bringing back BeetleJuice and Gremlins and trying to pair them with TTG to bridge the typically split audiences. They really want what Disney had where all parts of the brand are one, but WB is too wild for such a thing to happen.
 
Do you like Drawn Together? TTG is basically Drawn Together for kids. A highly trashy cartoon that shits on the medium, but honestly, it is really funny. I think this post pretty much sums up the no fucks given nature of the series.
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Funny you say that, one of the showrunners actually did work on Drawn Together
 
@Basic Blond Boy I'm guessing Space Jam A New Legacy didn't do any favors for them either right? Seems like they were banking hard on that one to succeed to kick off a weird cinematic universe what with all the merch, ads, and Multiversus seemingly being related to it. It also looks like that weird Scoob movie was their attempt at reinvigorating the H&B franchise after having horribly mismanaged it for so long only for the film to turn out as another flop on their hands.

Funny you say that, one of the showrunners actually did work on Drawn Together
That might explain the surprisingly cruel but hilarious jokes about Robin's dead parents and the clips where they make fun of anglophiles and indians.
Also this thing:
 
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So this is a thing that's been on my mind....

Things I Wish Would Come Back to Western Animation

1. Educational content, including outright educational cartoons. Surprise surprise, it was usually leftists who bitched about things like the PSAs at the end of He-Man episodes, and I'll admit a lot of times the "educational" aspects were cheating by just preaching morals or giving lame advice.... but some effort is better than no effort, and honestly it was a way to give even the most pointless garbage some redeeming value. Also, some educational cartoons--most notably Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego?--were legit awesome.

Only caveat is that I know how this would go in modern circles--"educational" would be things like discussing gender B.S. So maybe wait until the pendulum has thoroughly swung back the other way to reintroduce this aspect of cartoons.

2. Cartoons based on American history. Am I the only one who has noticed this basically never happens anymore? The last one I can think of is Liberty's Kids, a PBS cartoon about kids living during the American Revolution.

Seems like it used to be pretty common. Hector Heathcote, This is America, Charlie Brown! and so many others.... and why not? relatively young as the country is, America still has stories worth telling. But for some reason, these kinds of shows dried up in the last two decades.

My best guess is that the sudden disappearance of this entire genre is down to politics.

3. Characters who acted like normal people.

So I recently found out there was a Rainbow Brite revival in 2014, which wound up lasting three episodes. I didn't watch it... the trailer for it told me all I needed to know. Just... you go from how likable this character was in the 1983s, and suddenly have her acting like... well... that.... and right away, I don't care anymore.

On that note:

4. ORIGINAL properties.

I remember some pages back there was a lot of smack-talk about how in the 1980s "nothing got approved unless it was attached to a major IP." ... I'm not sure what crack ya'll were smoking because that's patently not true, indeed one of the stand-out things about the 1980s is just how many new things were birthed in that decade.

He-Man and She-Ra? Didn't exist before the 1980s.
Thundercats? Didn't exist before the 1980s.
Inspector Gadget? Didn't exist before the 1980s.
Garfield? Just barely existed before the 1980s.
The Real Ghostbusters? Unless you wanna play six-degrees-of-separation, basically didn't exist before the 1980s.
Transformers? While the toys existed (under the name "Diaclone"), the thing we recognize today basically didn't exist before 1980.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Didn't exist before the 1980s.

Stuff like G.I. Joe, which legit had a legacy before the 1980s, were in the minority. And actually of those, G.I. Joe itself is the only one that remained a thing.... I remember growing up, I didn't even know Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man got cartoons in the 1980s--with Bats and Spidey I spent a long time thinking their 1990s Fox Kids shows were their first airings ever. Superman I knew about the old Fleischer shorts but not the Ruby-Spears series.

The 1990s also has an almost-as-impressive track record, but it was also the first decade where nostalgia baiting was an actual thing that seemed to gain some sort of foothold. Which of course brings me to today where pretty much every other cartoon is a remake or revival. Like for fucks sakes there's a revival of Toxic Crusaders on the horizon! What's next, is Little Dracula gonna make a comeback too?

............ Maybe later I'll come up with more for this list.
I really think that more original IPs should be conceived, rather than reboots or remakes. It's getting stale and seems more like a tax write off.
 
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