Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[TVB]

Live action, south asian anime which is done in the style of an american comedy sitcom like Friends or Big Bang theory. Imagine an action movie where the hero has plot armor, manufactured overdone expressions, fights with visible fake punches and shit choreography, romantic comedy with the token love interest, some music videos inserted into the film to justify a soundtrack and a sidekick third wheel who is completely unfunny, youve got the template of 90% of Indian cinema. And all of it is done completely straight with no self awareness.

So in other words, you want an anime equivalent of a boring generic network sitcom like 8 Simple Rules or Dharma & Greg?

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

So in other words, you want an anime equivalent of a boring generic network sitcom like 8 Simple Rules or Dharma & Greg?

I said its trash which appeals to the lowest common denominator

Its trash, it caters to the lowest common denominator with constant exaggeration, consistent and overused tropes, annoying fucking music and editing. The worst part being theres no self awareness, all of it is serious and taken seriously by audiences who play it off as "emotional" when the right word there is cringy and overdone. In comparison, I still watch Ramayan the legend of Prince Ram with the Bryan Cranston english dub and am able to enjoy it.

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[TVB]

I said its trash which appeals to the lowest common denominator

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Still, that speaks volumes

 

[Betonhaus]

Oh that reminds me, the Reincarnated As A Vending Machine anime comes out soon. It's supposed to have interesting characters with actual thought put into the scenario.

 

[Flexo]

Cross post from futurama thread.

I'll also say, I've been watching the gremlins animated series. It's not too bad. I wouldn't say it's exceptional but it's pretty solid and fun.

 

[Betonhaus]

Cross post from futurama thread.

I'll also say, I've been watching the gremlins animated series. It's not too bad. I wouldn't say it's exceptional but it's pretty solid and fun.

I don't believe those are on any of our streaming services in West Canuckistan sadly.

 

[Flexo]

Its trash, it caters to the lowest common denominator with constant exaggeration, consistent and overused tropes, annoying fucking music and editing. The worst part being theres no self awareness, all of it is serious and taken seriously by audiences who play it off as "emotional" when the right word there is cringy and overdone. In comparison, I still watch Ramayan the legend of Prince Ram with the Bryan Cranston english dub and am able to enjoy it.

Quite frankly I'm sick to death of american films' "self-awareness" and find the earnestness of foreign films far more engaging and enjoyable.

Sorry you weren't hugged enough as a child and became emotionally stunted.

I said its trash which appeals to the lowest common denominator

It's not "trash," it's called "being entertaining" and it was something that Hollywood once knew was their job. If you want lectures - go to church or college.

 

[Anonitolia]

Quite frankly I'm sick to death of american films' "self-awareness" and find the earnestness of foreign films far more engaging and enjoyable.

Sorry you weren't hugged enough as a child and became emotionally stunted.


It's not "trash," it's called "being entertaining" and it was something that Hollywood once knew was their job. If you want lectures - go to church or college.

the point is that it's way too much, not that it's not self-aware enough
from what I can understand, he's saying that it's extremely corny and shallow, but not done so as a joke or with a message
it's just overemotional slop pandering to the lowest common denominator that needs all the heavy lifting of character progression done for them through extremely obvious indicators that practically spell out what's happening to you instead of giving you leeway to interpret and understand things on your own- and all that progression and plot is also unoriginal, samey, and overwrought
(correct me if I'm wrong, Georgio)

 

[TVB]

I just cannot stand most of media being "le self-aware" and plagued of references that are either memberberries-like or Seltzerberg-like, and the industry is chalk full of that. Creativity is mostly dead

 

[Celebrate Nite]

I just cannot stand most of media being "le self-aware" and plagued of references that are either memberberries-like or Seltzerberg-like, and the industry is chalk full of that. Creativity is mostly dead

Ontop of that, majority of media are just sitcoms these days. Like they're trying really hard to be Seinfeld, or Friends but missed the point regarding why those shows worked on their own. You see characters try to have quips with each other as if they're setting up for a laugh track that never comes.

Basically re-skinned Family Guy and/or the Simpsons, only somehow worse.

 

[Betonhaus]

Ontop of that, majority of media are just sitcoms these days. Like they're trying really hard to be Seinfeld, or Friends but missed the point regarding why those shows worked on their own. You see characters try to have quips with each other as if they're setting up for a laugh track that never comes.

Basically re-skinned Family Guy and/or the Simpsons, only somehow worse.

I wonder what a show would be like if they modernized the laugh track, so it's just a constant reaction to what's going on the screen (booing, awwing, shock, etc)

 

[TVB]

I wonder what a show would be like if they modernized the laugh track, so it's just a constant reaction to what's going on the screen (booing, awwing, shock, etc)

If we're talking about modern day adult animated sitcoms that use the laugh track, I can only think of Glenn Martin DDS as one of said show's biggest criticisms was the usage of its laugh track in an animated series, something that wasn't done since the Hanna-Barbera years. Granted, the creators, writers and editors had removed it by the third episode of its first season, but the damage was already done as most people online would call it, "the animated sitcom with a laugh track."

 

[Betonhaus]

If we're talking about modern day adult animated sitcoms that use the laugh track, I can only think of Glenn Martin DDS as one of said show's biggest criticisms was the usage of its laugh track in an animated series, something that wasn't done since the Hanna-Barbera years. Granted, the creators, writers and editors had removed it by the third episode of its first season, but the damage was already done as most people online would call it, "the animated sitcom with a laugh track."

I still think with the rightshow it can work for certain audiences, like if they play it like "movie theatre full of black people" with the characters lashing back at the hecklers.

 

[anustart76]

Ontop of that, majority of media are just sitcoms these days. Like they're trying really hard to be Seinfeld, or Friends but missed the point regarding why those shows worked on their own. You see characters try to have quips with each other as if they're setting up for a laugh track that never comes.

Basically re-skinned Family Guy and/or the Simpsons, only somehow worse.

I like sitcoms, I like good comedy. But it's all so bad these days, everything made for adults is just "haha sex" and characters being "quirky" with no thought or talent from the writers.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Sorry you weren't hugged enough as a child and became emotionally stunted.

I did grow up on this shit you know. There's a difference between subtlety and in your face over the top unearnest bullshit and I learnt that by watching Hollywood in the 2000s. People here like 2000s will Smith for that reason, cause he spazzed out in most of his movies. Frankly I'm just tired of it, I don't like modern Hollywood but I despise Bollywood. I would take the green mile or good will hunting or something oldfag over anything similar Bollywood offers cause it's prone to be mutated.

@Flexo I'll give you an example. Take gran torino, great film. If it was made in Bollywood, they'd make the gang extremely violent thugs who wielded katanas, were petulant manchildren, had bad hygiene and were mass rapists. They'd make the Clint Eastwood character have a romance with a random side character for emotional investment, they'd make him do jokes and quip all the time, they'd make him shout every time he fought cause "le rage", they'd show him bleed a ton cause "le suffering". They'd also have couple of quirky dance numbers to justify a soundtrack, they'd have ton of CGI or very cheap sets and all of it will be done completely straight with no self awareness.

the point is that it's way too much, not that it's not self-aware enough
from what I can understand, he's saying that it's extremely corny and shallow, but not done so as a joke or with a message
it's just overemotional slop pandering to the lowest common denominator that needs all the heavy lifting of character progression done for them through extremely obvious indicators that practically spell out what's happening to you instead of giving you leeway to interpret and understand things on your own- and all that progression and plot is also unoriginal, samey, and overwrought
(correct me if I'm wrong, Georgio)

Yeah this, it ticks check boxes when it comes to action and story template, it tries really cheap emotional hooks to get you invested (oh they're abusing the protags child, for the 50th time) and yeah there is a lot of artificial drama, lot of cheese. It lacks subtlety and nuance and something as small as a child accidentally cutting his finger on a knife has to be played as something so unimaginably horrible. Even in cases where the story has complex elements like a terrorist hostage situation, it has to devolve into a love triangle story or a dad saving kid story in the end. There's like one Bollywood movie called "3 idiots" that I like cause even if it has all this bullshit it's earnest and sincere and is pretty accurate to irl life.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

I just cannot stand most of media being "le self-aware" and plagued of references that are either memberberries-like or Seltzerberg-like, and the industry is chalk full of that. Creativity is mostly dead

It's not seltzerberg, that was actual trash. It's the joss Whedon shit which happened. Even if I like the first Avengers film it was the worst thing which happened to the industry at large. That combined with an increasing industry greed where they wanted more returns for less investment corporatised the fuck out of everything. Which is why I'm a doomer now, basically everything I watch is pre 2000 now.

 

[DOUBLE_WHEEL]

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This gets to a problem of a lot of modern adult animation and kind of western animation in general, but you're almost never laughing at the animation of the show and usually the situational comedy of it instead. I can't remember if it was Chuck Jones in an interview or Richard Williams in the animator's survival kit that said something along these lines about the simpsons or animated sitcoms in and I say this as someone that love King of the Hill, but that show could probably be done entirely in live-action. The Flintstones was the downfall of western animation and Hanna-Barbera have a lot to answer for.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

This gets to a problem of a lot of modern adult animation and kind of western animation in general, but you're almost never laughing at the animation of the show and usually the situational comedy of it instead. I can't remember if it was Chuck Jones in an interview or Richard Williams in the animator's survival kit that said something along these lines about the simpsons or animated sitcoms in and I say this as someone that love King of the Hill, but that show could probably be done entirely in live-action. The Flintstones was the downfall of western animation and Hanna-Barbera have a lot to answer for.

I would say it goes back to upa, Mr magoo and Yogi bear. They predate mainstream Hanna Barbara by like 5-10 years.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Jfc the absolute state of Disneyfans

I'm reading the comments of this video and its really intresting because this guy responds to everyone calling out for being insane, and he's admited he is a "polyamorous gay man" he's literally a pervert angry that children's movies about literal children (luca) don't validate his yaoi fujo fetish hard enough.

Why we allow these people in society is beyond me.

 

[TVB]

basically everything I watch is pre 2000 now.

2000s was a good decade though.