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Horribadger said:
I had a fucking weirdly coherent dream last night about a Rugrats sequel following the kids as adults with their own babies, with a whole first episode plot and everything. Which is weird enough already because I hadn't thought about Rugrats in years, but then I thought of that shitty 3D remake where they made one of the moms lesbian and realized I had literally made something better in my sleep. Thanks, subconscious.
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I bite. Share your vision with us.
 
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Blue Gem Muslim Queen said:
I bite. Share your vision with us.
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Sure why the fuck not

The basic impression was, the plot would shift between the antics of the kids and whatever the adults were doing, though I only got a plot for the adults. It was anime style because I fucking dream in anime, and adult Chuckie and Tommy were, I'm sorry to say, kind of hot.
Tommy kind of looked like a hot version of his father with a tinge of mad scientist. He's a engineer working to out "Pickles Hydraulics" (what a great name, thanks brain) on the map, as one does. His kid would be the main character but my brain declined to provide any actual information there.
Chuckie is tall and broad shouldered but gentle and timid, with long wavy hair, wearing a trenchcoat, kind of a gentle giant type. His kid is a bit older and able to talk to both kids and adults like Angelica. The mom is dead and Chuckie is trying to deal with raising the kid without being too neurotic and overprotective about it, which I didn't remember until later was Chuckie's character in the actual show, but at least the kid is different, being more philosophical about it and asking if his mom is a star in the sky now or some shit.
Phil and Lil didn't have families of their own yet and were instead helping take care of some relative's twins.
Angelica is some kind of model and dyes her hair frequently. Less awful than as a kid, but her kid (who's a bit older than the others, possibly can't speak to babies anymore) finds her annoying.
Susie was acknowledged but my brain didn't bother to do anything with her.
Finally Dill is a high school/college student, probably the latter given the age he should be but who knows

The plot- Tommy has just finished the design for some revolutionary new extra efficient combustion engine or something, and is talking about going public with it with Chuckie Phil and Lil when someone shows up on TV peddling basically the same thing on some Oprah-like show. Thus it looks like Tommy's going to be designated an impostor/copycat if he tries to use his design. Through some unspecified plot developments it turns out this guy is a quack, which ends up making Tommy's design actually look better because now it's like, he's done the impossible and made the fake thing real. But it turns out some of the materials needed are too expensive to mine/manufacture even for the amount of energy the engine would save, so it's back to the drawing board for him, but with increased public approval. The end.
Also there's some vague subplot with Dill and a similarly-aged relative of Angelica's (cousin, niece, younger sister born after the end of the show, something like that), with Dill using his Pickle family "ties" to get into some underground club. There was the vague impression that it would turn out to be something goofy, like Dill was treating it deadly serious but it would turn out to be just a video game club or some shit.

I probably tidied it up while half asleep after the initial dream, but I really did just fucking dream up this shit.
 
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Commander X said:
Seeing Timm talk on the thread reminded me that just this little snippet from the WB Batman cartoon is far more horny than anything that happened in the Harley Quinn show where she was explicitly attracted to Poison Ivy.


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I love BTAS but I'll always be miffed at them for starting this whole Harley/Ivy shit in the first place.
 
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Commander X said:
Seeing Timm talk on the thread reminded me that just this little snippet from the WB Batman cartoon is far more horny than anything that happened in the Harley Quinn show where she was explicitly attracted to Poison Ivy.


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Need that clussy in my life.
 
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Commander X said:
Seeing Timm talk on the thread reminded me that just this little snippet from the WB Batman cartoon is far more horny than anything that happened in the Harley Quinn show where she was explicitly attracted to Poison Ivy.


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The worst part of that Harley Quinn show was that Kiteman and Ivy actually worked as a couple. Hell the relationship over the first season even made sense!

Its like the writes actually liked to write a fun, dynamic straight couple and then when season 2 or 3 rolled around went "AHHH FUCK WE GOTTA MAKE IVY GAY!".
 
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That holiday episode of the Batman series was adapted from a Holiday Special issue of the WB Batman tie-in comic, Batman Adventures, and they got away with a bit more in that series, see this first page of the Harley/Ivy story, written by Dini, art by Ronnie Del Carmen.
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I didn't mind this version of the Ivy/Harley relationship, when they were just two criminals and friends out doing their thing, before it became almost entirely about them being LESBIANS IN TRUE LOVE and Harley eventually being turned into Feminist Deadpool.
 
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Commander X said:
That holiday episode of the Batman series was adapted from a Holiday Special issue of the WB Batman tie-in comic, Batman Adventures, and they got away with a bit more in that series, see this first page of the Harley/Ivy story, written by Dini, art by Ronne Del Carmen.
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I didn't mind this version of the Ivy/Harley relationship, when they were just two criminals and friends out doing their thing, before it became almost entirely about them being LESBIANS IN TRUE LOVE and Harley eventually being turned into Feminist Deadpool.
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1.I knew she was Jewish
2. Yeah this is more fun and chill
 
Western animation has fallen behind Japan due to the fact that for some reason in America and Europe drama or epic adventure fantasy for some reason always has to be live action and can't be animated.
Exceptions being warhammer and a few DND spin offs.
But I'd much rather watch goblin Slayer than a bunch of mystery meat D&D cartoons.

Because it sucks 'cause I found a bunch of old D&D cartoons on VHS from the 80s and 90s and they're pretty solid
 
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Sargon's wife's son said:
Western animation has fallen behind Japan due to the fact that for some reason in America and Europe drama or epic adventure fantasy for some reason always has to be live action and can't be animated.
Exceptions being warhammer and a few DND spin offs.
But I'd much rather watch goblin Slayer than a bunch of mystery meat D&D cartoons.

Because it sucks 'cause I found a bunch of old D&D cartoons on VHS from the 80s and 90s and they're pretty solid
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I think it's how the market started, it was originally just kids stuff in America and the west. If you wanted something more mature you had to watch stuff from Russia, Poland etc. Than Japan took the Animation ball and ran with it.

Plus with a few exceptions, in America especially, an adult cartoon mean an animated sitcom or an "Adult" Cartoon.

I also think that Ralph Bakshi pushed too hard too fast in some areas, making the idea of adult animation too weird and intense for a mainstream audience. Not to say his work is bad, but when you work starts with fritz the cat and Coonskin that's a lot for audiences to digest, even if Fire and Ice sounds like it was destined to be every kids first hardcore animated action/fantasy film.
 
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Commander X said:
That holiday episode of the Batman series was adapted from a Holiday Special issue of the WB Batman tie-in comic, Batman Adventures, and they got away with a bit more in that series, see this first page of the Harley/Ivy story, written by Dini, art by Ronne Del Carmen.
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I didn't mind this version of the Ivy/Harley relationship, when they were just two criminals and friends out doing their thing, before it became almost entirely about them being LESBIANS IN TRUE LOVE and Harley eventually being turned into Feminist Deadpool.
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Back then they weren't lesbians, they were just hot women acting how we want to imagine hot women act, kind of an extension of the "pillow-fighting sorority girls" trope.
 
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anustart76 said:
Back then they weren't lesbians
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Not even the comics made them that at first. One of the first comics that integrated harley into the dc universe was them betting on who could get the most kisses from the other inmates at arkham, and it opened with harley flat out asking ivy if she misses men and ivy admits liking a little "misting of the fern." On the side.


It's funny how the original show for all it got away with couldn't even hint they were anything more than best fritends and partners in the criminal sense, yet it gave them better chemistry than her own show.
 
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Commissar Fuklaw said:
I was tepidly enjoying that Twilight of the Gods show Netflix recommended despite finding it 2edgy4me, but immediately turned it off when there was unnecessary gay shit in the 2nd episode. That hack Zack Snyder probably demanded it be in there.
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I watched the full thing, that's the only scene in the whole show, it's a huge straight sex fest at points from then on (the guy in the threesome ends up with a woman later on). The thing that bugged me more than the jumpscare MMF threesome was that Hera is a chunky black woman. But overall it was interesting, and the final fight was very well animated compared to most western animations. And I liked having a Loki that wasn't some copy of the Marvel one, who actually used his powers of illusion and transformation for trickery. Fenrir as a puppy was adorable too.
Jesus even makes an appearance. Odin gets a witch to show him the future and he sees Ragnarok, the death of the Gods, the beginnings of the church and the end of the Vikings, and sees a church in modern times with Jesus crucified above it, who floats down to meet him. Was all very 'uhhhhhhh what' to witness, but an interesting concept.
 
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