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Edgeymcedgename said:
Zootopia is a race realist film form the liberal perspective. They mention multiple times that predator animals are more violent than pray Animals, but racism is bad so don't do it. You'll even remember that this is said to the mayor of the town by a scientist, the mayor WHO IS A LION! It never solves the problem of the nature of predators it just says racism is bad, I've only ever seen two people bring this up Max G.(hotdiggitydemon) and an old Wisecrack video from back before they went full retard. It's amazing to me that our race obsessed time hasn't talked about this more but all everyone who saw it walked away with was "it says racism is bad and that is good and I am good and think racism is bad so I will say that the movie is good and not think about it"
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Zootopia even without racism has really retarded internal logic going on its universe. No cop division for a city thats the most "diverse" one on the planet would just have large animals like bears, tigers, rhinos, buffalos etc. If you need someone to go to the aquatic mammal district, why would you send a rhino over an otter cop or seal? Why would you send an elephant to the part of town where small mammals like shrews, moles, voles live? They would destroy everything there. Judy should've never had any real issues if the movie was smart, because you need more than just intimidating animals to successfully run law enforcement. I mean thats not getting into the fact that herbivores are the more dangerous ones in Zootopia and they can go "savage" too. Nobody thinks a polar bear is scarier than a hippo unless they're stupid for example.
 
BigBadBastich said:
No cop division for a city thats the most "diverse" one on the planet would just have large animals like bears, tigers, rhinos, buffalos etc. If you need someone to go to the aquatic mammal district, why would you send a rhino over an otter cop or seal?
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If they had multiple-sized cops then the plot of the naive she-rabbit wouldn't exist, and we can't have that.
 
Commander X said:
Oh man, "Breaking Bears"? These people obviously their fingers on the pulse of pop culture. I'm sure with "fracking" being involved there will also be some spot on political satire,
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maybe it's Lost Media that just popped up?
 
Trilby said:
It feels like a decade old show.
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that's what I'm joking about
it's not like "hurr durr don't they know the god emperor is back magalololol" but like really, fracking hasn't been a hot button issue at the pop-culture level in ages, similarly Breaking Bad ended, what, over ten years ago?
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
that's what I'm joking about
it's not like "hurr durr don't they know the god emperor is back magalololol" but like really, fracking hasn't been a hot button issue at the pop-culture level in ages, similarly Breaking Bad ended, what, over ten years ago?
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The last time I've heard anyone seriously care about fucking fracking was that Bojack Horseman episode, and even then, it was just Diane, and nobody else cared once the episode ended. Also when the hell was the last time mobsters were known to be a threat to specifically animals?
 
thinking too much about it I wonder if it was under some sort of first ownership and never got released for ten years or so, and now that deal ended and the holders flipped it to tubi for three fitty
 
Gonna post about something interesting I saw that I don't think anyone has ever noticed or brought up here:
In seasons 2-3 (and even a few episodes in season 1) of Spongebob, there are certain episodes where he looks normal and very fluid, but in other episodes he'll look very static, very "on-model" for how he's animated. These "on-model" episodes would go on to be dubbed as "Markerbob" episodes by fans because the outline for him in these episodes look a lot thicker like he was drawn with a marker than the loose, more animated episodes he's in. Here are a few pics below for comparison.
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It's a detail I never really paid much attention to growing up, but once you notice it you can't unsee it once you rewatch some old episodes. There's nothing too mindblowing about this info, but it's a fun piece of trivia the next time you watch old Spongebob episodes.
 
Colon capital V said:
In seasons 2-3 (and even a few episodes in season 1) of Spongebob, there are certain episodes where he looks normal and very fluid, but in other episodes he'll look very static, very "on-model" for how he's animated
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Was it the same board artist who did the markerbob episodes? Here are the modern board artists.
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TheAmbiguousLurker said:
Racism allegories always do poorly when it's a fictional racial group that are demonstrably different in more ways than simply skin colour/culture.
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Racial allegories always do poorly period because there is an undeniable genetic difference between different groups of people that is deeper than skin color/culture that either can't be acknowledged due to political correctness, one group is portrayed as always in the right no matter what (and it ain't white people, that's for sure), or is only accidentally acknowledged (A la Zootopia) and is only explored on the surface level/ignored for the sake of plot (which is usually wrong/boring).

I am not saying anyone is superior or inferior inherently based on genetics. But if your going to try and write realistic racial allegories in Hollywood that acknowledges that genetic differences exist, than you better be prepared to wait until the heat death of the universe for it to get picked up or write a complex enough fantasy tale that the suits don't realize what the fuck your actually saying in the subtext.
 
Edgeymcedgename said:
Zootopia is a race realist film form the liberal perspective. They mention multiple times that predator animals are more violent than pray Animals, but racism is bad so don't do it. You'll even remember that this is said to the mayor of the town by a scientist, the mayor WHO IS A LION! It never solves the problem of the nature of predators it just says racism is bad, I've only ever seen two people bring this up Max G.(hotdiggitydemon) and an old Wisecrack video from back before they went full retard. It's amazing to me that our race obsessed time hasn't talked about this more but all everyone who saw it walked away with was "it says racism is bad and that is good and I am good and think racism is bad so I will say that the movie is good and not think about it"
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I always interpreted it in the opposite direction, that predators (white people) are artificially framed as violent oppressors of prey (minorities) so politicians (democrats) can capitalize on the moral panic to empower their manipulation of the social order.
 
The greater a'tuin said:
I always interpreted it in the opposite direction, that predators (white people) are artificially framed as violent oppressors of prey (minorities) so politicians (democrats) can capitalize on the moral panic to empower their manipulation of the social order.
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It's clear the creators want to you too see the predators as minorities. It's the bunny that has to learn not to be racist to understand her predator partner not the other way around.
 
Edgeymcedgename said:
It's clear the creators want to you too see the predators as minorities. It's the bunny that has to learn not to be racist to understand her predator partner not the other way around.
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I always viewed it as the typical Disney where they want you to fuck the animals.
 
The greater a'tuin said:
I always interpreted it in the opposite direction, that predators (white people) are artificially framed as violent oppressors of prey (minorities) so politicians (democrats) can capitalize on the moral panic to empower their manipulation of the social order.
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Well when you put it like that, that makes it even funnier. Imagine the predators are Zootopia's Indians and Judy needs to learn to be more accepting of our wholesome pajeets that culturally enriches her city.
"HELLO MA'AM, PLEASE SHOW BUNNBY BOBS AND VAGENE" *shits on street*
 
Edgeymcedgename said:
It's clear the creators want to you too see the predators as minorities. It's the bunny that has to learn not to be racist to understand her predator partner not the other way around.
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See, when I saw it, I saw the predators as the white people, because in the first 4 minutes there's a fox with a southern accent bullying a literal black sheep:
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Then Judy has to overcome stereotypes and microaggressions and all this shit throughout the movie, so it seemed obvious that the prey were the oppressed ones (the black people) thus the predators had to be the oppressors (the white people.) Then you see Nick was bullied as a kid for being a fox, by a bunch of prey animals, and I for one was shocked that Disney would acknowledge that white people can be discriminated against for being white.

Looking back on it now, though, it's weird because both races are oppressed in different ways. Predators are assumed to be vicious and dangerous, but prey are also literally historically oppressed, and Clawhauser calls Judy "cute" which is a microaggression because "that's our word" so there are N-words for rabbits...I don't know. It's like they mixed and matched things so it wasn't 100% clear who was and who wasn't the black people. Edit: one might think that was intentional and a clever thing to be like "racism is bad no matter who does it and nobody benefits from racism," but I don't know if I trust Disney that way.
 
The only allegory I got from zootopia was the typical "you can accomplish your dreams if you work hard enough for it". Like Judy was a small, unassuming bunny rabbit, and no one believed she would become an officer, or believed she solve the whole predators going feral case because of it, but she managed to prove herself because she was determined to do so.

It has been almost a decade now since I last saw that movie so I'm certainly forgetting a few things here, but that is the one "theme" that I remember from that movie. Maybe I need to watch it again.
 
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