Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[OldManBoomer]

It's sad. Japan certainly could never be topped there.

We have all the equipment and time. But the creativity and lack of desire to train or let the actually creative people work will hold us back. Forever. The only hope we have right now are indie creators.

 

[Trilby]

We have all the equipment and time. But the creativity and lack of desire to train or let the actually creative people work will hold us back. Forever. The only hope we have right now are indie creators.

How I feel.

 

[OldManBoomer]

How I feel.

Been saying it for awhile now myself. Granted, Japan has MORE than it's fair share of problems in the industry. But they can turn out stuff like Baki and Demon Slayer, while we're usually stuck with stuff like TTG and Family Guy.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Been saying it for awhile now myself. Granted, Japan has MORE than it's fair share of problems in the industry. But they can turn out stuff like Baki and Demon Slayer, while we're usually stuck with stuff like TTG and Family Guy.

"More than its fair share" is understating it. In America, it's not common for animators to work themselves to death.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Only the best from the NFB! Here's an Oscar winner!

John Weldon is a pretty underrated animator.

Here's another one that he did in a totally unique style he called "recycli-mation":

Here's another one that explains the "teletransportation paradox" (saw this one when I was a kid, and it was probably the first piece of media I watched that "mind-fucked" me, so to speak):

And finally, here's another one in stop-motion:

Dude was a man of many talents.

 

[Trilby]

John Weldon is a pretty underrated animator.

Here's another one that he did in a totally unique style he called "recycli-mation":

Here's another one that explains the "teletransportation paradox" (saw this one when I was a kid, and it was probably the first piece of media I watched that "mind-fucked" me, so to speak):

And finally, here's another one in stop-motion:

Dude was a man of many talents.

Sure is. Spotted his website!

Here's his first film for the NFB...

He made this as a short bio on his attempt at becoming a teacher in the 1960's...

 

[OldManBoomer]

"More than its fair share" is understating it. In America, it's not common for animators to work themselves to death.

I'm sure you meant "In Japan" , but you're absolutely correct.

 

[Trilby]

I'm sure you meant "In Japan" , but you're absolutely correct.

True, the stories of how terrible animators have it in Japan are worth not being forgotten.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

X-Men: The Animated Series was proof that it was OK to like caped superheroes at one point in time.

Though, for me, it was also because of her:

Spoiler: Heart face emoji

Rogue was kawāii

 

[A Grey Cat]

Sheen: Hey Jimmy i used your time thingy to bring Harry Houdini to your party to magic tricks!

*reveals a very Jurassic Park esq raptor in a top hat*

Jimmy: Sheen! That's a ferocious prehistoric velociraptor!

Sheen: I always get magicians and dinosaurs mixed up!


Sheen: HA hah! Try and get us now Mr. deli item leg!

Carl: Uh Sheen?

Sheen: What?!

Carl: It's only a three minute ride!


Phantom of Retroland: What's that smell?

Sheen: You mean your salami leg, their salami leg, his salami leg or carl's shoes?

 

[Commander X]

Imagine being 30+ years removed from the original ThunderCats cartoon with BETTER equipment, and STILL not being capable of touching the intro. The Mazinger reference isn't clever either. The first season was terrible, and this one will be as well.

There is nothing vaguely funny or clever about this, it's just soul sucking.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

/co/mblr's autism should never baffle anyone anymore tbh. It's one of the shittiest boards on the entirety of 4channel.

By the way, has anyone seen The Ghost and Molly McGee?

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It's a new Disney Channel cartoon and it's half decent...so far. Dana Snyder (AKA Master Shake) is the best part and the only reason I wanted to watch it in the first place. The MC is le quirky hyperactive gril along with a bunch of other generic human characters. The animation is actually really good, but Mercury Filmworks always does a great job.

The thing is about these shows is that they almost always start out decent, if not pretty good, before going downhill immediately (Star Vs).
btw the show hasn't officially released yet (that's today) and the threads on /co/mblr are already complete cancer.

In other news apparently the Cuckflix He-Man reboot (NOT the Kevin Smith one) is pretty good too, but I haven't watched it yet. Too bad they killed all goodwill with Revelations so even if anybody has heard of the other MOTU reboot nobody will want to watch it for fear of it being completely terrible.

Well, some good news on the first one.

https://twitter.com/zekefreek/status/1444371048993021955?s=21

Bob Roth is the show’s creator, btw.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

There is nothing vaguely funny or clever about this, it's just soul sucking.

'Member Thundercats, ten year old kids? 'Member?

Give me those rainbow puzzle pieces for noticing, but Dot with tits feels like something that seeped through from one of the animators personal deviantart accounts.

 

[Bread Fetishist]

'Member Thundercats, ten year old kids? 'Member?

Give me those rainbow puzzle pieces for noticing, but Dot with tits feels like something that seeped through from one of the animators personal deviantart accounts.

I mean, they did Anime Dot in the first season. I guess this was the next step.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Been saying it for awhile now myself. Granted, Japan has MORE than it's fair share of problems in the industry. But they can turn out stuff like Baki and Demon Slayer, while we're usually stuck with stuff like TTG and Family Guy.

It’s not directly comparable, since most Japanese animation is still done in-house (or outsourced to other Japanese studios) while to my knowledge most Western animation nowadays is outsourced to Korean sweatshops, and the actual animators. I’m curious to know which cartoons if any are still primarily animated in the US.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

It’s not directly comparable, since most Japanese animation is still done in-house (or outsourced to other Japanese studios) while to my knowledge most Western animation nowadays is outsourced to Korean sweatshops, and the actual animators. I’m curious to know which cartoons if any are still primarily animated in the US.

Not all that many. Very few shows these days are animated fully in the U.S. Outsourcing has been the norm since the 80s.

 

[AnOminous]

Not all that many. Very few shows these days are animated fully in the U.S. Outsourcing has been the norm since the 80s.

I think it's despicable how few of them get actual credits.

 

[Sneed F91]

Imagine being 30+ years removed from the original ThunderCats cartoon with BETTER equipment, and STILL not being capable of touching the intro. The Mazinger reference isn't clever either. The first season was terrible, and this one will be as well.

WB just fuck off with trying to bring Thundercats back? 2011 failed, Roar failed even harder, and yet they still keep trying. I'm probably one of the few people that actually likes the original show from 1985. I'm not gonna pretend it's a masterpiece and most people won't be able to sit through it but I do think it gets a lot more shit than it deserves. I really like the characters, setting, and art design. Apart from the 2011 reboot they refuse to actually put in the work to make it good.

The funny thing is that people these days trash cartoons from the 80s as just being toy commercials but they're still more memorable than a lot of modern cartoons because they were designed to stand out and actually be appealing to kids. That's why they keep trying to revive them.

Nu-Animaniacs was just kind of boring. Apart from the ALREADY dated pop culture and political references from 2019, it didn't do anything that the old show couldn't/didn't do while having better animation than the show made 2 years ago. Pinky and the Brain was still good though.

They still seem to have no idea if this show is for the kids of today, or adults so it just seems to appeal to no one. Also did anybody else notice just how bad the VAs sound? They pitched their voices up in the original to sound like young kids, but here they just sound like old people and it's really distracting. Rob Paulsen screaming "HO" like Lion-O sounds like he's can barely deliver the lines without losing his voice.

It's sad. Japan certainly could never be topped there.

Too bad Japan doesn't really outsource animation to America anymore.

We have all the equipment and time. But the creativity and lack of desire to train or let the actually creative people work will hold us back. Forever.

I think that US animators still want benefits like insurance that studios aren't willing to pay, on top of the industry preferring CG over 2D animation in general.

 

[Mullti Port RDRAM]

Only the best from the NFB! Here's an Oscar winner!

Not to be confused with SOMA For Kids by the same people

The NFB was so based from the 1950s to 1995.

I think it's despicable how few of them get actual credits.

South Korea and Singapore have been the two largest markets for outsourcing and yes, its infuriating they aren't allowed to be credited. Its their project as much as it is the studios.

 

[Kabobs]

It’s not directly comparable, since most Japanese animation is still done in-house (or outsourced to other Japanese studios) while to my knowledge most Western animation nowadays is outsourced to Korean sweatshops, and the actual animators. I’m curious to know which cartoons if any are still primarily animated in the US.

There are some Japanese cartoons that use Korean studios. Much of One Piece is done in the Philippines, IIRC.