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[TVB]

A brother started watching Netflix's My Dad the Bounty Hunter today, and of course it's another series starring black people with blobby CGI character designs.

No fucking way is this entirely watchable, but is someone able to confirm otherwise?

Most things in CG these days age worse than a rendered 360/PS3 cutscene from the mid-to-late 2000s.

 

[Coolio55]

It'd be easier if you watched it in the UK, since it was renamed to Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles here. I guess ninjas are just too violent and make our tea go sour or whatever.

Lol! Whoever did that cover fucked up and forgot to remove the nunchucks.

 

[Niggerphobe]

A brother started watching Netflix's My Dad the Bounty Hunter today, and of course it's another series starring black people with blobby CGI character designs.

No fucking way is this entirely watchable, but is someone able to confirm otherwise?

Shouldn’t it be the other way around with the blacks

 

[skykiii]

It'd be easier if you watched it in the UK, since it was renamed to Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles here. I guess ninjas are just too violent and make our tea go sour or whatever.

I mean, its inarguable that the Turtles are heroes. But "Superhero" is a very specific thing.

It's like the difference between calling something a game console and a home computer. Technically consoles are home computers but nobody thinks of them like that.

Funny thing is that TMNT itself kinda demonstrates what my brain thinks the difference is between just a hero and a Superhero(TM) with things like that episode where Raphael dresses up as "the Green Defender" or that one story in the original Mirage comics where the TMNT meet a bunch of old superheroes.

 

[TVB]

I mean, its inarguable that the Turtles are heroes. But "Superhero" is a very specific thing.

It's like the difference between calling something a game console and a home computer. Technically consoles are home computers but nobody thinks of them like that.

Funny thing is that TMNT itself kinda demonstrates what my brain thinks the difference is between just a hero and a Superhero(TM) with things like that episode where Raphael dresses up as "the Green Defender" or that one story in the original Mirage comics where the TMNT meet a bunch of old superheroes.

What is actually qualified as superhero is confusing, but they do have powers made by scientists themselves, and also some pizza to eat.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

It'd be easier if you watched it in the UK, since it was renamed to Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles here. I guess ninjas are just too violent and make our tea go sour or whatever.

Surprised they didn't call them Samurai Turtles. Surprised ED missed out on a joke Teenage Mutant An Hero Turtles and paint emo hair on their craniums. Speaking of which I recall a classic anime film that could westernized by removing all references to ninjas never even utter the word.

 

[skykiii]

What is actually qualified as superhero is confusing, but they do have powers made by scientists themselves, and also some pizza to eat.

I think for me a lot of it also comes down to the trappings... Clothes Make the Superhero, if you will. Except I mean that metaphorically.

Like to me the thing about the Ninja Turtles is that outside of being turtles, they're like... normal. Like anyone who studies ninjutsu could be like them basically.... until you get to the Red Sky seasons and they start developing second stage mutations.

I dunno, its like, for me "Superhero" implies a bunch of things. If you've ever seen that Fighterpedia video about whether or not Smash Bros. counts as a fighting game, my brain works similar when calculating the question of "is this a superhero?"

Like, someone once described the Thundercats (Lion-O specifically) as a superhero, and to me that didn't sound right. But calling He-Man a superhero tracks just fine. And this is before you get to the question of superhero character versus superhero genre.....

But I'm pretty sure nobody wants to read an autistic breakdown of that. If five people use the word "Falafel" before this topic hits page 555 I will post just such a breakdown.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I think for me a lot of it also comes down to the trappings... Clothes Make the Superhero, if you will. Except I mean that metaphorically.

Like to me the thing about the Ninja Turtles is that outside of being turtles, they're like... normal. Like anyone who studies ninjutsu could be like them basically.... until you get to the Red Sky seasons and they start developing second stage mutations.

I dunno, its like, for me "Superhero" implies a bunch of things. If you've ever seen that Fighterpedia video about whether or not Smash Bros. counts as a fighting game, my brain works similar when calculating the question of "is this a superhero?"

Like, someone once described the Thundercats (Lion-O specifically) as a superhero, and to me that didn't sound right. But calling He-Man a superhero tracks just fine. And this is before you get to the question of superhero character versus superhero genre.....

But I'm pretty sure nobody wants to read an autistic breakdown of that. If five people use the word "Falafel" before this topic hits page 555 I will post just such a breakdown.

I will be honest, I have actually been thinking about this recently given all the cape-shit talk. Genuinely speaking, what even qualifies as capes? I struggle to see the previously mentioned TMNT as a cape property as well. I also struggle to see Ben 10 as a cape property or even Danny Phantom. To me, these properties are more defined by their channel than capes. Ben 10 is a CN show and Danny a NickToon.

I feel like powers and a reoccurring Rouges, or costume, is too vague of a method to label capes. When boiled down you can easily say Captain Planet, The Powerpuff Girls, Space Ghost, Generator Rex, El Tigre, My Life Is A Teenage Robot, The Blue Falcon and others are, and something doesn’t seem right about that to me.

 

[KingLiberty76]

Most things in CG these days age worse than a rendered 360/PS3 cutscene from the mid-to-late 2000s.

Why do companies keep doing the blobby grubhub style of animation it's so unappealing just like the beanmouth art style is every animator incapable of using different art styles now or something

 

[skykiii]

I feel like powers and a reoccurring Rouges, or costume, is too vague of a method to label capes. When boiled down you can easily say Captain Planet, The Powerpuff Girls, Space Ghost, Generator Rex, El Tigre, My Life Is A Teenage Robot, The Blue Falcon and others are, and something doesn’t seem right about that to me.

Okay I can imagine some of that being hard to classify but how do Space Ghost and Blue Falcon not seem like superheroes to you?

Posts like this make me wish I hadn't made that "five people must say falafel before I sperg about what is-and-isn't a superhero" statement.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Okay I can imagine some of that being hard to classify but how do Space Ghost and Blue Falcon not seem like superheroes to you?

I associate them more with general Hannah Barbara/CN.

Blue Falcon has been beaten over the years to being a relic of the company with his only achievements being cameos in Scooby Doo. Given that, it is hard to see this character in the same genre as Batman or Superman as writing is more in line with Doo.

Space Ghost is another relic, but one that got completely transformed thanks to Coast to Coast, which had nothing to do with capes. Nowadays, Coast to Coast defines the character and it is hard to think of him as anything but a wacky talk show host.

 

[TVB]

Why do companies keep doing the blobby grubhub style of animation it's so unappealing just like the beanmouth art style is every animator incapable of using different art styles now or something

I'd say in the modern world of CG, the beanmouth style predates Grubhub ads with either Illumination or nuPixar's respective animation styles.

 

[Mental Chemical]

There's something off about the voices I cannot pick up on.

 

[TVB]

I associate them more with general Hannah Barbara/CN.

Blue Falcon has been beaten over the years to being a relic of the company with his only achievements being cameos in Scooby Doo. Given that, it is hard to see this character in the same genre as Batman or Superman as writing is more in line with Doo.

Space Ghost is another relic, but one that got completely transformed thanks to Coast to Coast, which had nothing to do with capes. Nowadays, Coast to Coast defines the character and it is hard to think of him as anything but a wacky talk show host.

But what about Birdman, Sealab, or even Captain Caveman, if we're talking about Hanna-Barbera superheroes?

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

But what about Birdman, Sealab, or even Captain Caveman, if we're talking about Hanna-Barbera superheroes?

I will admit, not the most familiar with those outside of Caveman, who honestly also falls into the Scoob trappings of Blue Falcon these days.

My way of looking at capes is based on context and time period. My question to you would be, do you talk about these series in the context of comics and comic adjacent media, or in the context of Hanna-Barbera cartoons? Put more simply, do you compare them to BTAS or Scooby Doo? If you say Scooby Doo, then I think you understand my point.


Long Post Explaining:

Spoiler: Long post

The reason why franchises like TMNT are hard to accept as capes is because their reference point isn’t X-Men, it is usually Transformers, He-Man, G.I. Joe, and any other heavily marketed 80s IP. Same goes for modern capes. Danny Phantom stole its entire premise from Spider-Man, but we don’t naturally reference it to Spider-Man, we place it in the context of other NickToons.

Context plays a role, many capes are products of a channel or company and thus held to the standards of that line-up rather than their genre. Time also plays a role as even obvious cape material can become something else over time. As an example, many don’t link Adam West’s Batman to the other adaptations. That version is so detached from not only Batman, but the modern cape-sphere, that many didn’t even consider it real cape-shit for years after Burton’s film. I have personally seen Adam’s take compared more to 60s Star Trek than capes. Super Friends is another example, as it has little in common with post X-Men and BTAS cape series, being defined more in context with other HB properties than capes.

My thought process isn’t flawless I am sure. Hell I can three franchises that break it being Teen Titans, Big Hero 6, and The Incredibles. Teen Titans given it’s ties to DC fans and CN fans that it works as a historical piece for both. Big Hero 6 was a Marvel property till Disney got it, but is now more compared to Ralph and Tangled than Iron-Man. Then the Incredibles which has many comic fans’ admiration, but is still traditionally treated within the context of Toy Story and other Pixar works.

TLDR: The majority of capes-shit/adjacent media is more tied to other things than the DC/Marvel comicsphere. Shows such as The Boys, Invincible, Hellboy, and Spawn definitely break out in that sphere, but most are contained to their place. You don’t usually find Comic fans speaking on Ben 10 or any of the shows mentioned, so I consider them separate.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Shouldn’t it be the other way around with the blacks

Stop posting dumb comments.

I will admit, not the most familiar with those outside of Caveman, who honestly also falls into the Scoob trappings of Blue Falcon these days.

My way of looking at capes is based on context and time period. My question to you would be, do you talk about these series in the context of comics and comic adjacent media, or in the context of Hanna-Barbera cartoons? Put more simply, do you compare them to BTAS or Scooby Doo? If you say Scooby Doo, then I think you understand my point.


Long Post Explaining:

Spoiler: Long post

The reason why franchises like TMNT are hard to accept as capes is because their reference point isn’t X-Men, it is usually Transformers, He-Man, G.I. Joe, and any other heavily marketed 80s IP. Same goes for modern capes. Danny Phantom stole its entire premise from Spider-Man, but we don’t naturally reference it to Spider-Man, we place it in the context of other NickToons.

Context plays a role, many capes are products of a channel or company and thus held to the standards of that line-up rather than their genre. Time also plays a role as even obvious cape material can become something else over time. As an example, many don’t link Adam West’s Batman to the other adaptations. That version is so detached from not only Batman, but the modern cape-sphere, that many didn’t even consider it real cape-shit for years after Burton’s film. I have personally seen Adam’s take compared more to 60s Star Trek than capes. Super Friends is another example, as it has little in common with post X-Men and BTAS cape series, being defined more in context with other HB properties than capes.

My thought process isn’t flawless I am sure. Hell I can three franchises that break it being Teen Titans, Big Hero 6, and The Incredibles. Teen Titans given it’s ties to DC fans and CN fans that it works as a historical piece for both. Big Hero 6 was a Marvel property till Disney got it, but is now more compared to Ralph and Tangled than Iron-Man. Then the Incredibles which has many comic fans’ admiration, but is still traditionally treated within the context of Toy Story and other Pixar works.

TLDR: The majority of capes-shit/adjacent media is more tied to other things than the DC/Marvel comicsphere. Shows such as The Boys, Invincible, Hellboy, and Spawn definitely break out in that sphere, but most are contained to their place. You don’t usually find Comic fans speaking on Ben 10 or any of the shows mentioned, so I consider them separate.

That… is a lot to process.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

That… is a lot to process.

I will agree with that, I tried to keep it short, but it got a bit out of hand. I think the general idea is just that last and first sentence though. When you look at these, do you compare them the general stuff like X-Men and Batman, or shit unrelated to capes. With a lot of “cape works” I usually don’t see them as being in the same category.

 

[verissimus]

This is probably the wrong place to ask this, but I'm going to do so anyway. There was a really good short animation I saw on youtube, perhaps no longer than a minute and it involved two female girls/wind-up toys, but I don't remember what it was called. Has anyone here seen this short?

 

[Frosted Snowflakes]

Nickelodeon has gone Wokelodeon with the woke agenda crap in the latest Transformers cartoon.

 

[Colon capital V]

Nickelodeon has gone Wokelodeon with the woke agenda crap in the latest Transformers cartoon.
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It's all so tiresome....