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[AskeDead]

Nah, it's a perfectly acceptable thing to look back and appreciate what we've lost, try to improve what we've degraded. What you shouldn't do is drown in it.

Yeah, that's mostly what I meant. Getting hung up on the past and refusing to grow is the unhealthy part

 

[Colon capital V]

So the early Shrek test footage from 1995 finally dropped

It's not much admittedly, I'd say what we knew beforehand covered about 70% of what the real thing actually showed, but it's good we finally have closure over this lost piece of Shrek media.

 

[Tootsie Bear]

So the early Shrek test footage from 1995 finally dropped

It's not much admittedly, I'd say what we knew beforehand covered about 70% of what the real thing actually showed, but it's good we finally have closure over this lost piece of Shrek media.

I can see they still had the same type of humor I remember in the 1st Shrek movie. Crude but I could see this being a commercial if was polished. Was that supposed to be Chris Farley or was this created after his death?

 

[Introvertigo]

I can see they still had the same type of humor I remember in the 1st Shrek movie. Crude but I could see this being a commercial if was polished. Was that supposed to be Chris Farley or was this created after his death?

Chris Farley.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

Yeah, that's mostly what I meant. Getting hung up on the past and refusing to grow is the unhealthy part

Those who reject the past are doomed to repeat

 

[A Grey Cat]

Nah, it's a perfectly acceptable thing to look back and appreciate what we've lost, try to improve what we've degraded. What you shouldn't do is drown in it.

Yeah, that's mostly what I meant. Getting hung up on the past and refusing to grow is the unhealthy part

If i may paraphrase fallout new vegas:

There is an expression in the world "old world blues." It refers to those so obsessed with the past they can't see the present, much less the future, for what it is. They stare into the what-was, eyes like pilot lights, guttering and spent, as the realities of their world continue on around them. A long, steady progression into the future. What may seem a sudden event often isn't felt for years, even centuries, to come. however, at the dawn of the 2020's Old World Blues took on a new meaning. Where once it was viewed as a form of sadness, nostalgia, It can be easy to see memory and nostalgia as evil, when both are unchecked it's the source of all ills, all misfortunes. A hollow crater of failures of a past era, a last, sad statement of the Old World. "Old World Blues" became more than a catch phrase. It became a reality, a withering form of nostalgia for times long past it was all this and more. Old World Blues, New World Misery - the two became one.

not animation related i know but still sums up how this industry has made one step forward, two steps back perfectly.

 

[starborn427614]

Nostalgia is comforting, but if you're not moving forward you're stagnating. That's why it's hard for a lot of these revivals to make any purchase, you need a good balance of new and old and a lot of them either feel too modern (trying too hard to be relevant) or are just rehashing old jokes.

 

[Blue Gem Kosher Queen]

can anyone name a moment in any recent animation (be it industry/web/etc.) that would make youngsters here and now shit their pants growing up?

Depends on what you consider recent. You could argue we are six years deep in censorship to anything that could actually scare kids and tbf, seems like most late zoomers and Gen Alpha are absolute wusses considering the analog horror drama from a month ago. Horror for the new generation is something you have to seek out online and is largely aesthetically subversive (notice how most zoomer horror revolves around cutesy muppet looking characters, boring liminal spaces and analogue media).

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I will show you my favourite example of deaf representation and my favourite ASL word.

Spoiler: context

The Midnight Cowboy looking gentlemen are Mr. Wrench (right) and Mr. Numbers (left) and they are tertiary antagonists in the TV anthology Fargo (I also believe they are named that way as a reference to Mr. Inbetween). They are hitmen that practically play no role in the plot outside of stealing every scene they are in. Wrench is deaf and Numbers acts as his interpreter, its a very Mike from BB/BCS vibe in that you know someone is good at what they do to make able-bodied, in their prime thugs look like shit. The only thing that stops them is bad luck and the devil himself. A good deal of the fun of the season is the brotherly banter they get up to (seriously, look up the ASL subtitled version of their first scene in YouTube, it will send you). Russell Harvard is deaf and he helped coach Adam Goldberg to achieve the fluency that allows you to believe they are livelong friends. The main inspiration for showrunner Noah Hawley to include a deaf character was because he grew up near a school for the deaf.
Fargo might be the best example of representation done right I can think of and I cannot stress that enough.

If you want to normalize a demographic, you need to stop making a big deal about them. Show them the way they are, as normal and capable people worthy of starring in a story worth your time.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

Depends on what you consider recent. You could argue we are six years deep in censorship to anything that could actually scare kids and tbf, seems like most late zoomers and Gen Alpha are absolute wusses considering the analog horror drama from a month ago. Horror for the new generation is something you have to seek out online and is largely aesthetically subversive (notice how most zoomer horror revolves around cutesy muppet looking characters, boring liminal spaces and analogue media).

Honestly I think horror for children was killed by the creepy pasta boom that the internet experienced in the last decade. That shit was everywhere, along with Slenderman and Fnaf and SCP and candlecove, etc etc etc. I know I'm mixing eras up there, but all of that was huge and a lot of it was viewed by kids. You can't tell me adults were the ones making all the shitty Jeff the Killer art.

I think another thing that killed off horror for kids is...adults. Like with the recent liminal spaces and all the game theories about fnaf, nothing can make something unscary like grown adults soy-pogging over it. When you're a kid the scary stuff is the unknown stuff, the stuff that plays on your fears and stuff you don't understand. Now we have all these adults making theory videos and creepy readings and reaction videos, as soon as something is explained it becomes not scary. I don't think we have kids who are wusses, I think we have kids who have been sadly desensitized by the youtube algorithm.

 

[Yeshuash]

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Oh! I see Miko lying there!
Good Lord! Glitch Techs had so much potential. But the only reason it was kind of talked about is do to the coomer hoards jerking off too the main female lead.

 

[RybenZ999]

Yeah that was a typo on my end. More used to thinking “drug den” means Crystal Meth. Anyway here are the other two racist Flip cartoons. They’re far closer to the WB Censored Eleven.

There’s just something special of this kind of racial humor. It’s not the focus it wasn’t made to offend. It was just funny to the audience.

The only thing remotely close to this I can think of in (relatively) recent times is probably that one season 3 South Park episode

I wonder how this one manages to avoid being brought up. They don't even use the whole "It's actual SATIRE!" schtick. Just straight up censored eleven type humor.

 

[BMO_]

So the early Shrek test footage from 1995 finally dropped

It's not much admittedly, I'd say what we knew beforehand covered about 70% of what the real thing actually showed, but it's good we finally have closure over this lost piece of Shrek media.

oh wow, animation sucks. No wonder they scrapped motion capture.

 

[TVB]

Chris Farley.

He literally just said that, spaz.

I can see they still had the same type of humor I remember in the 1st Shrek movie. Crude but I could see this being a commercial if was polished. Was that supposed to be Chris Farley or was this created after his death?

Yes. Yes it was.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

Nostalgia is comforting, but if you're not moving forward you're stagnating. That's why it's hard for a lot of these revivals to make any purchase, you need a good balance of new and old and a lot of them either feel too modern (trying too hard to be relevant) or are just rehashing old jokes.

Memberberries is cringe, I'll agree with you on that.

 

[TVB]

Memberberries is cringe, I'll agree with you on that.

Agreed, which is why giant corpos look at the internet and think that the audience want what people remember just to be "good again."

 

[Celebrate Nite]

which is why giant corpos look at the internet and think that the audience want what people remember just to be "good again."

Except corpos completely miss the point of why people liked the shows of the past and find them good to begin with.

Corpos want to have their cake and eat it too, so they will bring up old shit that used to be good but then strip out everything and turn it into something "marketable" for the current trend or society, and with each passing year the trend seems to be that everyone is pussified babies that get offended at words and actions... but having a superhero or good guy say shit or fuck is O.K. because reasons

it's why corpos and marketing shouldn't touch anything media related, including animation. Animation was good because the artists and writers were not only more in charge, but they had passion... they had talent... they actually gave a shit about the product they wanted to show and the story they wanted to tell. THAT is what's missing these days, and instead the only time animators and/or writers give a shit anymore is if they are forcing a political message down people's throats.

 

[TVB]

Except corpos completely miss the point of why people liked the shows of the past and find them good to begin with.

Corpos want to have their cake and eat it too, so they will bring up old shit that used to be good but then strip out everything and turn it into something "marketable" for the current trend or society, and with each passing year the trend seems to be that everyone is pussified babies that get offended at words and actions... but having a superhero or good guy say shit or fuck is O.K. because reasons

it's why corpos and marketing shouldn't touch anything media related, including animation. Animation was good because the artists and writers were not only more in charge, but they had passion... they had talent... they actually gave a shit about the product they wanted to show and the story they wanted to tell. THAT is what's missing these days, and instead the only time animators and/or writers give a shit anymore is if they are forcing a political message down people's throats.

This is what happens when someone hasn't grown up with a franchise but only look at a few Wikipedia articles instead in order to understand said franchise just to get hired in the industry. The type of nepotism has ruined almost every piece of mainstream media 2010s onward.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

This is what happens when someone hasn't grown up with a franchise but only look at a few Wikipedia articles instead in order to understand said franchise just to get hired in the industry. The type of nepotism has ruined almost every piece of mainstream media 2010s onward.

Noelle Stevenson admitted to this with She-Ra. She was stupidly honest enough to admit to it, so it really makes you wonder how many others have done this but were smart enough to keep their mouths shut.

 

[anustart76]

Noelle Stevenson admitted to this with She-Ra. She was stupidly honest enough to admit to it, so it really makes you wonder how many others have done this but were smart enough to keep their mouths shut.

I believe this happened with He-Man and Kevin Smith. And I think Kevin Feige admitted somewhere that he's actually a Star Wars fan more than he is a Marvel fan.
Ultimately this will always happen so long as soulless corporate executives that don't care about the content they put out are in charge. I really doubt Bob Iger watches anything Disney makes, for example.

On that note, looks like Disney's 100th anniversary movie "Wish" is bombing pretty hard.

 

[Drain Todger]

>be a 90s kid
>no TV stand
>CRT is sitting on the floor
>sit around in your underwear on the floor eating Cheez-Its and watching reruns of ReBoot
>peak comfy autism achieved