Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[harmy.kook]

Sailor Moon I think was the biggest contributor to modern anime and the main reason why anime got popular outside japan.

Nah, it was only one, but in reality there were sections of Anime that led to the boom in the West.

Mainly your battle shounens:
-Dragon Ball
-Naruto
-Bleach

Along with the other ones
-Sailor Moon
-Cowboy Bebop
Etc

 

[AWizard]

Speaking of anime, why is there a rick and morty anime? I skimmed through it and it doesn't seem to be that ironic.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Speaking of anime, why is there a rick and morty anime

Probably same reason we have Suicide Squad Isekai. American companies are trying to be hip with the times.

Otherwise I don't know how popular it is in Japan.

 

[Quijibo69]

Fuck you Histeria was great.

Frank Sinatra Cesar episode might have been the greatest joke I did not understand when I was younger.

To me Freakazoid will be the last of the great Kids WB cartoon shows. I feel that the shows that came after that didn't have enough of the oomph to be remembered.

 

[Autistic Gunspergings]

Speaking of anime, why is there a rick and morty anime? I skimmed through it and it doesn't seem to be that ironic.

Because tranime won, and now western companies are trying to ride off the popularity of it in the U.S & the public's likeness of the term, even if its not japanese.

 

[Mike Matei's Penis]

They've been riding off anime since Teen Titans original and Totally Spies.

 

[Mao Hao Hao]

Late to the Scavengers Reign stuff, but I feel like there were stories in there that were more interesting to focus on than the main one. Like the best episode to me was the old woman who had been on the planet for years, who knows a whole bunch about how stuff works and what's safe to eat/use as medicine etc, only it turns out that it's all because she's infected by a parasite. I think a nature documentary of the planet would be interesting, or, as others have said, something that actually showed how they knew how stuff worked. I think the only one that they had to work out in the show was the weird bird things that would only hunt stuff that was covered in stinky orange mushroom fluids....for some reason... that was also never explained really.

 

[Trollblade69]

Speaking of anime, why is there a rick and morty anime? I skimmed through it and it doesn't seem to be that ironic.

Because Jason Demarco is a complete and total idiot. Same reason we have four FLCL sequels.

 

[A Grey Cat]

They've been riding off anime since Teen Titans original and Totally Spies.

But at least back then they had tact and fineness when it came to mixing anime with western so that it looked balanced and not...whatever the hell r&m is trying to do.

 

[Chromeo]

And if you're an adult who likes [Steven Universe,] I have no idea why you demand that from the west when you constantly circlejerk over anime like G-Witch, anime of which there is no shortage.

The assumption here is adult western animation fans are all automatically weeaboos who know what the hell "G-Witch" is. Personally, I was one of those "I hate anime" kids and I'm still bitter about it as an adult. It doesn't air here, half of them don't get official English translations, and as previously mentioned a lot of the shit coming out of Japan is weirdo coomer bait that I'd be ashamed to admit I watch.
We shouldn't have to outsource to Japan to get animation that isn't fucking garbage. The solution isn't "just let another country handle it," American animation should make room for mature shows that aren't just "adult comedy #503," there should be anime-like shows here. Slice of life experimental shows, dramas, action, stuff that inspires people to watch and be passionate about something. It shouldn't all come down to "Episodic slop for kids" and "Episodic slop for grownups" and nothing in between.

 

[Space Police]

It shouldn't all come down to "Episodic slop for kids"

>Implying toyetic episodic shows for kids are bad

 

[starborn427614]

Variety is what's missing in animation over here these days and I'd say that's more the executive's fault rather than any one creative. God forbid you want merch for your show or you want to make a limited series, everything's gotta be either milked as hard as possible or used as a write-off.

 

[Trilby]

Go Nagai is more to blame for the state of anime than anything else since he came up with fanservice.

True.

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

He May be a mick cartoon sperg but at least he put this pos and it's source in its place. But as the saying going broken clock and all that.

Also I actually forgot it wasn't just the Flatbread sand monkey they removed but pretty much all the racist stereotypes that were practically ripped from old looney tunes cartoons.

As someone in marks comment section says, why even make this series if you're just gonna sand off what little edge you had with the racism humor?

Sausage party was about as edgy as a steak knife. Still able to actually hurt someone but there are better edged weapons out there. It's sequel show is edgy as a butter knife, it might hurt someone a little but it will only "cut" someone who's got paper thin skin.

Was I the only one pissed off by SP's ending?
"Lol goyuim did you know your watching a movie? here's the jews that stared in your movie and it's animated too! pls think were crazy edgy and totes smrt."
yeah you can fuck off now thanks

 

[Commander X]

The Rick and Morty "anime" is supposedly inspired by a medium known for intense action scenes but it's action scenes are just slideshows, and it's obvious to me and others that they were trying to ape the style of Crayon Shin-Chan. A problem with that is that while the Crayon Shin-Chan films can be choppy (the tv series is a different beast), but they don't skip like the Rick & Mortime does, they have well animated action scenes and plenty of well animated scenes in general as compared to something like Rick & Morty.

Like this clip from the 6th movie, which wandered into spy action territory.

Or this clip from one of the more recent films

And so on

and so forth.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Has there ever been a kid (I mean young kid, not a teenager) who prefers deeply personal trauma porn quirky self-insert shows like Steven Universe to actual cool stuff?

I mean, I was a kid during this era and I only got into western animation because of it. I loved the more character heavy episodes of Adventure Time during 5th grade - middle school as they felt more adult. Used to watch the Ice King/Marceline episodes all the time.

I also liked Steven Universe in its early days. I also knew other, younger, kids who enjoyed it.

Kids may like Disney movies that have darker/more mature themes and tearjerker endings, but they don't care about that -- they like Disney movies because of the talking animals, fun songs, pretty dresses, and toys going on adventures.

Kids love dark stories, there is a reason FNAF and it’s various clones are so popular. Western animation got too pussified in the 2010s, which ran in complete contrast to the trend of more dark material getting popular. Also, for past references: Invader Zim, Batman TAS and Courage were all liked.

The people who make these cartoons need to understand that if they're working on a show aimed at kids, they have no right tailoring it for themselves and their fellow fandom autists. If they want to do that, make something for MTV or Adult Swim or make young adult graphic novels.

I understand this point, but it is also fairly stupid long term. The 2000s used to have kids shows aimed at a more teen demographic such as the DC cartoons, Avatar, Total Drama, Invader Zim, etc.. It is genuinely a failing of western animation that this demographic has been largely excluded since Steven Universe.

It feels like shows are either the hyper juvenile comedy (both adult and kids) or an identity series (insert LGBT+ fandom here). At least Steven and Adventure Time had narratives not centered around shipping, hence why they did well with a wide array of demographics. Too many “deep-comedies” are so far up their own ass while providing nothing but shipping bait. Making every cartoon into stock YA smut is why cartoons failed, no one but hyper autists wants to watch a blushing session between two 12 year old lesbos.

@starborn427614 is correct in his comment:

Variety is what's missing in animation over here these days and I'd say that's more the executive's fault rather than any one creative. God forbid you want merch for your show or you want to make a limited series, everything's gotta be either milked as hard as possible or used as a write-off.

 

[FatR]

Kids may like Disney movies that have darker/more mature themes and tearjerker endings, but they don't care about that -- they like Disney movies because of the talking animals, fun songs, pretty dresses, and toys going on adventures. Has there ever been a kid (I mean young kid, not a teenager) who prefers deeply personal trauma porn quirky self-insert shows like Steven Universe to actual cool stuff?

No.

Except "talking animals, fun songs, pretty dresses, and toys going on adventures" are not "cool stuff". (Well, talking animals may be cool, as long as they're more than funny sidekicks.) Soy cocktails meant for pre-pubescent girls do not taste much better than soy cocktails meant for hormonal teenage girls. I preferred cartoons that included serious fighting, violence and death basically since I remember myself, starting with watching Bambi at about the age of 7, and I'm not exactly a high-T chad or difficult to scare.

 

[Mao Hao Hao]

Teaser for the next Laika movie is out. I've enjoyed all of their movies so far, so hopefully this one will be good (I'm a sucker for well made stop motion).

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

Teaser for the next Laika movie is out. I've enjoyed all of their movies so far, so hopefully this one will be good (I'm a sucker for well made stop motion).

Laika is the only good thing about Portland

 

[Trollblade69]

I've watched 3 seasons of Miraculous Ladybug. I think that's enough for now, they've calcified into an unshakable status quo and pushed their most interesting character's development off a ledge to remain an element of the status quo.