Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[Shokew]

The Special Edition version of Journal 3 from Gravity Falls came out a bit ago and I'm slightly regretting not getting myself a copy. They did a pretty damn good job on it (glowing ink!) but I'm not sure if it's really worth the $150 or so for the same content with a few extra nuggets of info buried in it.

(Rates self :autism: )

I wouldn't pay that much, unless it's a game console or some other good tech on sale - too bad good tech ain't that cheap. Maybe if it were $30, then I'd stop feeling sorry for yourself and go grab one, already.

http://nickalive.blogspot.com/2017/06/nickelodeon-presents-sneak-peek-of.html
Hopefully, this is more something to look forward to.

 

[Shokew]

So, who want's some PanPizza? It's got Rugrats in it!

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

So, who want's some PanPizza? It's got Rugrats in it!

It was all because of the Rugrats movie and not because, say, of the many shitty Disney Renaissance rip offs that inundated American cinema in the 90s?

Well, if you really want to believe that...

 

[Shokew]

It was all because of the Rugrats movie and not because, say, of the many shitty Disney Renaissance rip offs that inundated American cinema in the 90s?

Well, if you really want to believe that...

Hey... That was him saying that... Not me - and honestly, I agree that what you pointed out (in your quote) is exactly why 2D in movies is dead right now. One mediocre film based off a decent 90's cartoon is not going to cause all of that like a bunch of below average ripoffs of good films (or worse, actual efforts only made for da cash!) likely will.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

So, who want's some PanPizza? It's got Rugrats in it!

It was all because of the Rugrats movie and not because, say, of the many shitty Disney Renaissance rip offs that inundated American cinema in the 90s?

Well, if you really want to believe that...

To be fair, he makes good points as to what became of animated movies after Rugrats (the Disney ripoffs were briefly brought up, but they weren't the focus). It's not the big contributor, but it's the little things that sneak past you. I like the Rugrats movie fine, but what it did kickstart in TV shows getting a big movie (with a higher budget that's... nothing to really sneeze at) is probably something it could've never lived down had it not gone quietly into the night as it did. These movies were honestly forgettable, but the audiences were catching on at the time, even if they've forgotten about it by now.

I do think it's interesting how it is some of these movies were more successful than others. It's a little funny that when Cartoon Network attempted it, the failure of the Powerpuff Girls movie made them take a step back, but Disney and Nickelodeon still shilled them out for a few more years. This sure as heck made the stigma of "cartoons are for kids" worse, if you ask me.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

To be fair, he makes good points as to what became of animated movies after Rugrats (the Disney ripoffs were briefly brought up, but they weren't the focus). It's not the big contributor, but it's the little things that sneak past you. I like the Rugrats movie fine, but what it did kickstart in TV shows getting a big movie (with a higher budget that's... nothing to really sneeze at) is probably something it could've never lived down had it not gone quietly into the night as it did. These movies were honestly forgettable, but the audiences were catching on at the time, even if they've forgotten about it by now.

I do think it's interesting how it is some of these movies were more successful than others. It's a little funny that when Cartoon Network attempted it, the failure of the Powerpuff Girls movie made them take a step back, but Disney and Nickelodeon still shilled them out for a few more years. This sure as heck made the stigma of "cartoons are for kids" worse, if you ask me.

By the time the trend really got underway in 2001 or so traditional animation was on its deathbed. Arguably the trend kept it alive for a couple more years.

And remember - the most successful traditionally animated American films of the last 10 years were both based on TV shows...

 

[Trilby]

It was all because of the Rugrats movie and not because, say, of the many shitty Disney Renaissance rip offs that inundated American cinema in the 90s?

Well, if you really want to believe that...

Some people apparently do.

Aside from noticing the Pokemon movies being lumped into this, I should point out Japan has done this sort of thing a lot longer than we have (what with the popular hit IP's that do get comics, shows, movies and what-not).

 

[Blindrainbow]

Some people apparently do.

Aside from noticing the Pokemon movies being lumped into this, I should point out Japan has done this sort of thing a lot longer than we have (what with the popular hit IP's that do get comics, shows, movies and what-not).

Japan actually really weird about that, cause you have a million dragon ball pokemon one piece movies but most of them are really what you would think as a movie, their like 30 minutes each for the most part that why the digimon movie was like made of 3 different ones.

 

[Trilby]

Japan actually really weird about that, cause you have a million dragon ball pokemon one piece movies but most of them are really what you would think as a movie, their like 30 minutes each for the most part that why the digimon movie was like made of 3 different ones.

This is because some studios like Toei used to do these festivals twice a year called the "Manga Matsuri". Many TV shows that were current during the time would often have a theatrical film of sorts that lasted that long as they programed these things to last nearly all day, several short featurettes paired with several feature-length films and other things. They've been doing these things for decades and they act like the equilalent to an annual "kiddie matinee" if anything, as they were usually played around vacations from school for many Japanese kids (spring and summer, this is why often you see characters being off spring or summer break a lot in these films).

Here's some added info!
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Toei_Cartoon_Festival
Toei Manga Matsuri Trailers: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTXnheHUJTGebcK6IYep8v_mlTHltjbQa

Toho got in on the act too.
http://www.tohokingdom.com/articles/art_toho_champion_festival.html

Sometimes it could vary though, like there are feature films based on an anime series that is really just a compliation of several episodes or more and that's all they used for a film, sometimes animating newer sequences or other things to pad out the pace, good examples of this might be the Mobile Suit Gundam movies from the early 80's (three movies that briskly retell the story of the UC 0079 series). Other times they are original films that do run 90 minutes or so like the Urusei Yatsura features or perhaps Macross: Do You Remember Love (itself, a retelling of the TV series storyline with different situations).

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Some people apparently do.

Aside from noticing the Pokemon movies being lumped into this, I should point out Japan has done this sort of thing a lot longer than we have (what with the popular hit IP's that do get comics, shows, movies and what-not).

Not to mention the TV-to-movie adaptations that came before Rugrats (even if they were mostly unpopular trash like Jetsons, Go-Bots or Pound Puppies, or cult movies like Transformers and DuckTales. To say nothing about A Man Called Flintstone back in the 60s).

It's been a thing since TV animation was in its infancy, it just became more obvious and overused once Rugrats came in and showed the world that simply getting the show's cast, crew and Asian animation subcontractor was mostly what you needed to make a movie. Even if it did result in some pretty terrible films.

 

[Trilby]

Not to mention the TV-to-movie adaptations that came before Rugrats (even if they were mostly unpopular trash like Jetsons, Go-Bots or Pound Puppies, or cult movies like Transformers and DuckTales. To say nothing about A Man Called Flintstone back in the 60s).

Hey There, It's Yogi Bear has some charm.

It's been a thing since TV animation was in its infancy, it just became more obvious and overused once Rugrats came in and showed the world that simply getting the show's cast, crew and Asian animation subcontractor was mostly what you needed to make a movie. Even if it did result in some pretty terrible films.

Aha! That's exactly what happened.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Hey There, It's Yogi Bear has some charm.


Aha! That's exactly what happened.

Oh I wasn't implying that A Man Called Flintstone was terrible or anything, just that it's one of the oldest examples out there along with Hey There, It's Yogi Bear. But yeah, the fact that Pan never touched upon those films makes me wonder whether or not he's either aware of them or simply couldn't fit them and the other pre-Rugrats TV-to-movie adaptations into the video.

 

[Gordon Cole]

Oh I wasn't implying that A Man Called Flintstone was terrible or anything, just that it's one of the oldest examples out there along with Hey There, It's Yogi Bear. But yeah, the fact that Pan never touched upon those films makes me wonder whether or not he's either aware of them or simply couldn't fit them and the other pre-Rugrats TV-to-movie adaptations into the video.

I can let it slide because it's a pretty convincing case that after The Rugrats Movie is when animated TV-to-movies arguably started to have more of an impact due to how successful it was compared to everything else.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I can let it slide because it's a pretty convincing case that after The Rugrats Movie is when animated TV-to-movies arguably started to have more of an impact due to how successful it was compared to everything else.

Not immediately, though. The Rugrats movie, at the time, was the highest-grossing non-Disney animated feature, but it didn't immediately start a wave of this stuff. Disney did put out a Doug movie, which was intended to be direct-to-video and it showed (the animation was TV level, compared to the Rugrats film, which was feature-quality).

It was after the second one was a big hit, though, that the dam really broke. Practically all the TV show movies, I recall, were released in 2001 and 2002 - the Wild Thornberrys film, the Hey Arnold film, the Recess film, the Powerpuff Girls film.

And I have to repeat myself... traditional animation was on its deathbed by then. Disney was in a creative slump. The ripoffs of the Disney Renaissance style through the 90s had sickened people on traditional feature animation (and the films that didn't fit that notion, like Cats Don't Dance and The Iron Giant, were all sidelined). No wonder people flocked to CGI. Pixar and DreamWorks seemed more interesting compared to the monotony of the late 90s.

 

[Blindrainbow]

Oh I wasn't implying that A Man Called Flintstone was terrible or anything, just that it's one of the oldest examples out there along with Hey There, It's Yogi Bear. But yeah, the fact that Pan never touched upon those films makes me wonder whether or not he's either aware of them or simply couldn't fit them and the other pre-Rugrats TV-to-movie adaptations into the video.

Well I assumed he didn't bring them up as it was about why Disney stop making 2D films in the 2000's, so they don't have a lot to do with that.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Not immediately, though. The Rugrats movie, at the time, was the highest-grossing non-Disney animated feature, but it didn't immediately start a wave of this stuff. Disney did put out a Doug movie, which was intended to be direct-to-video and it showed (the animation was TV level, compared to the Rugrats film, which was feature-quality).

It was after the second one was a big hit, though, that the dam really broke. Practically all the TV show movies, I recall, were released in 2001 and 2002 - the Wild Thornberrys film, the Hey Arnold film, the Recess film, the Powerpuff Girls film.

And I have to repeat myself... traditional animation was on its deathbed by then. Disney was in a creative slump. The ripoffs of the Disney Renaissance style through the 90s had sickened people on traditional feature animation (and the films that didn't fit that notion, like Cats Don't Dance and The Iron Giant, were all sidelined). No wonder people flocked to CGI. Pixar and DreamWorks seemed more interesting compared to the monotony of the late 90s.

But didn't DreamWorks do some 2D movies around the time of Antz and Shrek?

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

But didn't DreamWorks do some 2D movies around the time of Antz and Shrek?

Yes - The Prince of Egypt and The Road to El Dorado. Still, the CGI films that began with Shrek are what they're best known for.

 

[Halberd Sonichu]

Yes - The Prince of Egypt and The Road to El Dorado. Still, the CGI films that began with Shrek are what they're best known for.

You forgot that they did Sinbad, but so did everyone else.

 

[Trilby]

You forgot that they did Sinbad, but so did everyone else.

Certainly.

Just discovered this while YouTube cruising, and for a pilot, it seems like something I wouldn't mind at all had it even got picked up at all like on Netflix, I could certainly watch it!

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Did someone say "AMERICA"?