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(This is a copy of a post I've made in the Cartoon Industry thread)



I'm seriously getting fucking tired of people saying "Indie animation is saving Animation", and Vaislkibum is one of them. As soon as I saw N from Murder Drones in the video, I paused it and thought, "This guy has no standards. I bet he's one of those people who think Murder Drones is a masterpiece just because it's Indie". I swear, "Indie" has become a label to justify mediocrity and avoid criticism. You're allowed to make a pretty mediocre piece of media as long as you're not tied to some evil corporation. This is what these people have been saying for the past two and a half years when they gush over some generic 20-minute pilot on YouTube that will be forgotten in a year because the creators didn't have the budget to continue beyond that pilot.

There's this project called Phantom Fun Arcade (no relation to the character designer of Friday Night Funkin'), and... it's just a Gravity Falls wannabe. In fact, the creator proudly admits to being inspired by Gravity Falls.

I don't mean to be rude, but after seeing the creator's Instagram, I don't think I like this project. Just look at this image. It tells you everything you need to know about this series.

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That girl on the right looks like Mabel Pines, but shorter. Seriously, I officially declare Gravity Falls a bad influence.

Ok, so it turns out the creator of Amphibia is making an Indie show. It's called Clara and the Below. From what he's shown, it looks interesting. I was never into Amphibia, but I think it was alright based on the few episodes I saw. I don't know how this one will do. I'm going to wait and see. I have more faith in this series than in the Gravity Falls wannabe.

Look, I don't hate the Indie Renaissance, because every now and then I've seen pilots with potential, like The Art of Murder (no relation to the edgy robot show) or a pilot about dinosaurs whose name I've forgotten. Actually, the Indie Renaissance is very hit-or-miss. It's starting to resemble the Indie videogame scene, where for every FNAF or Undertale, there are 100 games that fail and fade into obscurity. Similarly, for every Digital Circus, there are 100 pilots that fail and fade into obscurity.

And then there's the problem that when a pilot finally becomes a full-fledged show, it falls apart due to the creator's lack of experience in writing and storytelling. Take Murder Drones, for example. Good animation, nice looking characters, a truly captivating setting and atmosphere, it had everything to be a great series, too bad the poor writing ruined it all. J.J. Abrams' Mystery Boxes, MCU-style humor, underdeveloped characters, FNAF-esque lore desperately trying to be theory bait, and tons of plot holes. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, these are the series that are definitely saving animation.
 
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Learning Wall said:
I don't mean to be rude, but after seeing the creator's Instagram, I don't think I like this project. Just look at this image. It tells you everything you need to know about this series.

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The Dreamworks Face never truly died.
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Also that thematic statement is just lol. As if the current environment doesn't reward clout chasing, vying for attention, and incestuous relationships "networking."
 
Was scrolling through xitter, and I saw this shitty animation commissioned by canceraids beaner rapper bbno$.

I think this post here best describes what this video looks like.
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If I'm correct on my knowledge, didn't he say he was going to stop commissioning and constantly promoting his dogshit music.
Final verdict:
 
MrLisReal said:
Also what’s crazy is that while most other shows spend the first season finding their footing. Spongebob and his cast are laid out perfectly.
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I think it's because Spongebob is an episodic gag-based series while more modern shows are story-based. If the show is just funny things happening, it doesn't matter who the character is outside of their surface-level archetype. It's easy for multiple writers and for audiences who will only watch it in syndication out of order and don't know or care about season structure (i.e; children.)
 
Chromeo said:
I think it's because Spongebob is an episodic gag-based series while more modern shows are story-based. If the show is just funny things happening, it doesn't matter who the character is outside of their surface-level archetype. It's easy for multiple writers and for audiences who will only watch it in syndication out of order and don't know or care about season structure (i.e; children.)
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I agree with this sentiment. However, even shows that are episodic like the Simpsons and Family Guy have 1st seasons that are radically different. Spongebob, not really, other than the physical difference.
 
Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
The Virgin "Modern YouTuber Censoring the Word Die in History Videos Aimed at Adults"
The Chad "Spongebob Having Spongebob and Patrick Think they Murdered a Govt Employee and Covering It Up"

This stuff is wild
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Being fair to the YouTuber, this is more YouTube’s retarded policy than them being scared of bad words. Our entire language is changing to things like unalive because big tech is penalizing these terms.

The whole thing is ridiculous however, but blame the company not the small channel trying to get some revenue.
 
I guess I gotta talk about this trashterpiece for a second, for archivial purposes.
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Adrian is a 2019 italian cartoon that came from the mind of senile italian singer Adriano Celentano, who previously starred in the equally terrible comedy Zio Adolfo in arte Führer (uncle adolph, the führer).
The cartoon was meant to be adult themed, serious and political, so pretty much "we got seinen anime at home", and the advertisement given to this piece of shit made it look like it was the second coming of Christ, think of the Simpson episode about Poochie, but done unironically, the whole thing was additionally followed by pre-shows where actors and comedians would perform in front of a the portrait of Noah's ark, some of them even dressed as monk, if you didn't get the subtle message that the senile man responsable of that series REALLY wanted his dick sucked hard and his show treated as a sacred event.

And while people liked the idea of a mature animated show at first and found it novel (because the closest thing italian TV has ever had to adult-oriented animation is Family Guy), nobody wanted to sit down waiting for a shitty pre-show to end, and the obnoxious advertisement (played very often at an increased volume compared to the others) also did nothing but anger people and put them further against it.

The animation was done with the help of legendary italian comic artists, but also the same north korean animation studio behind the dreaded titanic trilogy and the even more infamous Squirrel and Edgehog, so one scene may it looks almost ok, only for the next donsen to looks atrocious.

With all this context given, time to answer to the question you all got in mind, which is "ok, you fucking pasta nigger, can you tell to the class how ass this pizza pasta shit was?".
The cartoon was complete dogshit.
Yeah, no big surprise, the whole thing went trough 10 years of development hell and costed over 20 millions, episodes were scrapped, had an inconsistent duration and the art was equally inconsistent at best, whit shit like this was being an actual frame unironically used in the show, multiple times:
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The plot can be resumed with "self-insert of a demented singer gets his dick sucked and acts as if he came from Jojo while defending niggers and women, all while expressing, his hatred of skyscrapers and the corrupted government", and while it alleged to contain deep themes and a profound satire of society, they were as subtle as a block of concrete, most infamously for the bad guys being unironically a corporations from Naples called "Mafia international", meanwhile the most political discussion this political cartoon had was causing drama for having the protagonist do victim blaming on 2 girls that were about to be raped outside a disco.

On average, each episode was made up by 80% of boring dialogue that meant nothing and ultimately sayd nothing aside of "i am adrian and i want my dick sucked because all i say and think is deep".
10% what totally isn't Adriano Celentano's fetishes (women being drugged and raped, dressing like zorro/the hunchback of notre dame, randomly molesting women while fighting a guy, giant womens destroying everything and singing about men being rapists) and the remaining 10% is actual plot, a plot that was complete shit and deserved all the mockery in this world.

If you feel like the italian Titanic trilogy wasn't bad enough and you want to suffer for a few hours more, dig up the series subbed (I don't think there's a dub) and give it a watch. I think the whole thing subbed can be on apple TV, but you may be able to find a few subbed episodes around the internet, the whole thing is on youtube too, but there's no subs.
 
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Strangolapreti said:
Let's be honest, you'r rather have a dog rapping "it's party time" to a bunch of mexican mice than the gays, calarts artstyle and pronouns.
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unironically, yes. The animated Titanic trilogy is another one of those "so batshit insane it's actually genius" guilty pleasures for me
 
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