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Commander X said:
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This is like saying "Mickey And Elsa Have A Picnic With Spiderman And Mickey Hurts His Foot And You See A Disgusting Deviantart-style Closeup of His Bleeding Foot and Spiderman Gives Him A Painful Injection with A Giant Needle- Cartoons For Kids" would be better if the characters were just very slightly more on model.
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at least those redesigns would make it a tiny bit more bearable to look at. i mean i still wouldnt watch it, but still
 
AnOminous said:
Most of the design changes don't even make sense. The most obvious is why would you get rid of Bluto's beard?

The Bluto thing just takes any badness out of the character's appearance. That was a bully beard and should have been kept.
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Is Bluto losing the beard because of the Bluto vs. Brutus situation where they were essentially just slightly different versions of the same character but then one of the later animated Popeye productions decided to make them distinctly different characters?

I was never the biggest Popeye fan but I seem to remember Bluto and Brutus diverging into being two separate antagonists at some point in my lifetime, I want to say 1990s-ish.

EDIT: Most sources seem to confirm that Bluto and Brutus are the same character with minor variations in backstory in their relation to the Sea Hag depending on which production you're watching. I guess I remembered wrong.
 
sasazuka said:
Is Bluto losing the beard because of the Bluto vs. Brutus situation where they were essentially just slightly different versions of the same character but then one of the later animated Popeye productions decided to make them distinctly different characters?

I was never the biggest Popeye fan but I seem to remember Bluto and Brutus diverging into being two separate antagonists at some point in my lifetime, I want to say 1990s-ish.

EDIT: Most sources seem to confirm that Bluto and Brutus are the same character with minor variations in backstory in their relation to the Sea Hag depending on which production you're watching. I guess I remembered wrong.
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Looking at the Go-Animate tier animation, I think the more likely explanation for axing Bluto's beard is that it would've required slightly more time and money to animate his mouth with a beard so they got rid of it as a corner-cutting measure. Seems like that's going to be an answer for a lot of the choices.
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
AMC is running a Rankin-Bass marathon right now
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Also as a fan of the original Fleischer series, I can't help but notice that on top of the awful redesigns and lazy animation, they also missed another crucial element that gave Popeye its charm: the dialogue. Popeye adventures had a habit of including small aside jokes and quips that were often improvised, and those were the bits that tended to get the most laughs. Replacing the dialogue with interchangeable grunting noises is not only seems like a cheap tactic to cut another corner on voice acting, but it completely misses everything that made the original good.

That seems to be a reoccurring pattern with these reboots honestly. Only thing missing is for the Popeye reboot artists REEEing on Twitter when people say they hate it.
 
sasazuka said:
Is Bluto losing the beard because of the Bluto vs. Brutus situation where they were essentially just slightly different versions of the same character but then one of the later animated Popeye productions decided to make them distinctly different characters?

I was never the biggest Popeye fan but I seem to remember Bluto and Brutus diverging into being two separate antagonists at some point in my lifetime, I want to say 1990s-ish.

EDIT: Most sources seem to confirm that Bluto and Brutus are the same character with minor variations in backstory in their relation to the Sea Hag depending on which production you're watching. I guess I remembered wrong.
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I've heard they're just simply identical twins. I guess no one can keep it all consistent.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
I've heard they're just simply identical twins. I guess no one can keep it all consistent.
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According to Wikipedia, Bluto and Brutus being identical twins rather than just slightly different names for the same character was something that actually did happen in a 1988 comic book that's not considered "canon".

I doubt I've read that comic but maybe I'd gleamed that plot point from some long ago online discussion. I swear I half remember a crappy modern Popeye cartoon where Bluto had to team up with Popeye to defeat Brutus but I'm probably just conflating a whole bunch of random cartoons I've had playing in the background on late night basic cable that I wasn't playing close attention to while I use the Internet.
 
sasazuka said:
According to Wikipedia, Bluto and Brutus being identical twins rather than just slightly different names for the same character was something that actually did happen in a 1988 comic book that's not considered "canon".

I doubt I've read that comic but maybe I'd gleamed that plot point from some long ago online discussion. I swear I half remember a crappy modern Popeye cartoon where Bluto had to team up with Popeye to defeat Brutus but I'm probably just conflating a whole bunch of random cartoons I've had playing in the background on late night basic cable that I wasn't playing close attention to while I use the Internet.
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The only reason Brutus happened at all was due to King Features not remembering they owned the character, thinking Paramount did, and had to scrap together another antagonist for the 60's cartoons before finding out they did own Bluto anyway.
 
If any of you are interested in getting some Christmas specials in before the day itself comes, AMC is rerunning all the WB-owned Rankin-Bass specials again tomorrow. So one last gasp of The Miser Brothers, the Awgwas, Kubla Kraus...

The Splat’s also showing 90s Nicktoon Christmas specials that night. Not only will there be the Rugrats, Rocko’s Modern Life, Hey Arnold and CatDog Christmas specials - but also, amazingly enough, both Ren and Stimpy specials!
 
Recently the Hungarian National Film Archive has uploaded a number of films from it's past including animated shorts, features and advertisements over on Vimeo. They will be there for a week, but here's a choice selection of the best of Hungarian animation!

Here's one amusing ad!
 
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The Looney Tunes Show wouldn't get made today. There's multiple jokes about Lola Bunny talking too much and being a bad driver.
 
The third and last installment in this guy's history of UPA. Chooses to spend most of the time dissing Mr. Magoo though.
 
Cyborg Scars said:
You could almost say he was blinded by it
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Ahh, good one!

Of course he skips over most of the TV stuff and Saperstein's later use of the company name in bringing over Japanese monster flicks, but I suppose it didn't fit the narrative he was getting at.
 
Trilby said:
And I see it's from Gobelins. Nobody ever talks shit about them.

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Reminded myself of some Zagreb Film goodness!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sw7s1uDY_vAhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=qht0USh05jYhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=nV1VwDkja-whttps://youtube.com/watch?v=qkefl5Gc06Ihttps://youtube.com/watch?v=gvGjqDTEpEU[MEDIA=dailymotion]x2p86xi[/MEDIA]https://youtube.com/watch?v=6R7GdTQrGWg
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Man, I love these, especially the psychedelic metarealism of U Spomen na Zlatka Boureka. You just don't see stuff like this anymore.

This might fit better in one of the YouTube video threads, but not so long ago Youtube animator extraordinaire Volta Bass made an incredible new intro for Maximilian Dood, one of my favorite fighting game personalities:


Love me some vibrant, hyperkinetic goodness full of blades, robots, lasers and boobs!
 
ShittyRecolor said:
Man, I love these, especially the psychedelic metarealism of U Spomen na Zlatka Boureka. You just don't see stuff like this anymore.

This might fit better in one of the YouTube video threads, but not so long ago Youtube animator extraordinaire Volta Bass made an incredible new intro for Maximilian Dood, one of my favorite fighting game personalities:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=g0W5lr26f74
Love me some vibrant, hyperkinetic goodness full of blades, robots, lasers and boobs!
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Holy fuck - honestly, I could see a series by him looking real good, at the very least. Someone should hire him to make something more than just YouTube vid intros, someday.
 
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