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They already did. She's not in the reboot. (Excepting a cameo.)

Did any furries get pissed off that Minerva wasn't in the reboot? She was barely in the original show to begin with.
Only because angry mom's complained about her two shorts. It's funny how it was overprotective women of the 90s who got minerva axed and now 20 years later it's their fat, danger hair dyed, unfuckable kids who got their hatred for anything sexy or sexual (except pedophilia) from them who killed off any chance of her coming back. I'd be my paycheck Katie rice looks like either the black one or the troon one from magical girl friendship squad
 
They already did. She's not in the reboot. (Excepting a cameo.)

Did any furries get pissed off that Minerva wasn't in the reboot? She was barely in the original show to begin with.
Shows you how much of a blur my childhood memories are at this point. I thought Minerva was on Tiny Toon Adventures.

Also while she might have not been on the show often damn do I remember that cartoon where she takes a bath in the pond. Very memorable.

But enough of me being a potential crypto furfag. It's really dumb that the Animaniacs reboot wouldn't feature the whole cast when the show was more or less inspired by sketch comedy shows. Format & comedy wise Animaniacs was very inspired by "The Caroll Burnett Show", the people involved with the original production grew up with that show.

This is really the heart of the problem with reboots, if your new crew doesn't understand the origins of your original product they really lose sight of what made it unique. Looks to me Animaniacs is desperately trying to focus on what Millenials know about. I loved those Spielberg era cartoons because they did shit my parents & grandparents loved. I've never even seen "Hello, Dolly" but the Freakazoid tribute is pretty much one of my favorite musical sketches ever.
 
Also, FluttershyTheKind/FTK_Artist (Powerword: June Kind, created Jewene the Ewe, a lewd oc, confirmed here, also worked on Hazbin Hotel as well as Mystery Skulls) works on the show (named in the credits, WIP of an an alternate opening for the show and worked with the crew, confirmation that she didn't do artwork for the Tiny Toons reboot but is attached to the show)


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And some more fanart of Ewe here (1,2,3,4,5, 6, 7, 8) that post here because I am not going to comb for every single piece available and flood this post with porn, so I leave the rest up to you; you can find more from e621, however the art that Birchly made of the character is not there. And if you are wondering why am doing all of this, it is totally for posterity, FYI 😏)
There any milk to this FTK person? Because being in the animation industry and drawing porn is tradition by now.
 
Did any furries get pissed off that Minerva wasn't in the reboot? She was barely in the original show to begin with.
Yes. But that's just furries. Some people outright said the show was gonna be shit because the girls didn't have cleavage. Yes, some people are basing a show's quality on weather or not a female character has a line on her chest, And guess what, there's cleavage. There's boobs. It's there where I realized just how big of the shows "fans" were just coomers who probably consumed more porn about the show then the show itself.
 
When it comes to the reboot, it's a shame because in the middle of all of the really bad puppet animation being used there are some moments of good animation, the Pinky & the Brain segments are mostly tolerable. I say this as someone who found the original's Pinky and the Brain segments to be the only palatable portions. But the rest of the animation is hard to look at.
 
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Nothing I love more then hearing “cultural appropriation” in Animaniacs.
 
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But enough of me being a potential crypto furfag. It's really dumb that the Animaniacs reboot wouldn't feature the whole cast when the show was more or less inspired by sketch comedy shows. Format & comedy wise Animaniacs was very inspired by "The Caroll Burnett Show", the people involved with the original production grew up with that show.
Like I said, maybe half of the original cast you could get rid of and it wouldn't really matter.
 
You should try Batman Brave & The Bold. Other good modern DC shows include Young Justice or Green Lantern TAS. Bruce Timm can never be topped, but these shows make for good substitutes in the absence and are their own thing, especially Brave and The Bold.
I remember back as a kid not liking Brave & The Bold that much, can't really remember why, so maybe checking it out now will give me a better appreciation for it. Think it might have been because I really enjoyed The Batman, which apparently isn't well liked for some reason after googling Batman show rankings, and didn't like the tone shift. Will check out the other two as well, though that CGI on Green Lantern reminds me of the early CGI shows I used to watch (though it looks no where near as bad as any of those).
 
I remember back as a kid not liking Brave & The Bold that much, can't really remember why, so maybe checking it out now will give me a better appreciation for it. Think it might have been because I really enjoyed The Batman, which apparently isn't well liked for some reason after googling Batman show rankings, and didn't like the tone shift. Will check out the other two as well, though that CGI on Green Lantern reminds me of the early CGI shows I used to watch (though it looks no where near as bad as any of those).
A lot of people hated Brave & The Bold for that reason. It was a good show that was misunderstood as it was a take on the 50-60s Batman stories that came out after The Batman, Batman TAS, and around the release of The Dark Knight. The dark Batman was easily cemented as the only Batman in culture at the time, and as such BB&B got an unfair shake.

Going back, the show was really well done. It’s style gave it the ability to take on fun stories like King Joker, an episode based on the comic where Joker gains infinite power and spends all day killing Batman repeatedly. Or there was the episode where now joke villain Starro was a legitimate threat even though the character is usually seen as just a dumb star fish nowadays. Some of the shows best moments are episodes like the Christmas one, where Red Tornado learns the value of Christmas, as he is a robot with no emotions, or the episode where Batman finally confronts Joe Chill. Also the show has this now censored piece:

As for the other two shows. Young Justice was a good blend of the Teen drama and humor from Teen Titans (2003), but aged up with the story telling of Justice League. It had a strong first season, but I will admit season 2 and 3 get bloated with way too much plot and characters. Green Lantern was really good throughout, too bad it was tied to the movie in selling toys, so it did not last long. The CGI looks bad in screenshots, but in action it is good. The show is the closest DC has probably come to a DCAU in years as it does invoke similar feelings to something like Superman TAS.
 
Is there cartoons with linear storylines, like ATLA? At this point I don't care about type, I'm only interested in having a concise story.
 
Is there cartoons with linear storylines, like ATLA? At this point I don't care about type, I'm only interested in having a concise story.
You have a few options, either cape shows primarily from DC, or you can go into Cartoon Network’s catalog. If I am not mistaken Generator Rex and Ben 10 both had continuity, though Rex is definitely the better option in that department. Symbiotic Titan was also linear, but it only got one season. I guess Samurai Jack season 5 works too.

Edit: Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated was a cool experimental mystery series with Scooby.
 
I just watched the first episode of the Animaniacs reboot.

When the theme song went into "Ethnically diverse, gender neutral" and all that jazz, I was like "Oh no..."

If there is anything Animaniacs shouldn't be, its a tool for pandering. And sadly, the first Warner short was filled with it.

Hell, the old show did an entire cartoon mocking that very concept of pandering for ass pats and "awards" and it was one of my favorite episodes as a kid.

I was already disappointed that the show was primarily just going to be The Warners and Pinky and the Brain. Yes, they are the best and most popular characters, but I liked the Goodfeathers and Slappy Squirrel too. But to use Animaniacs to pander to mental and emotional midgets...its just upsetting.

And I'm fine with them poking fun at Trump...they reamed into Clinton pretty good in the old show, and the sad truth is, if comedy wasn't just a dead artform at this point, Trump would be a goldmine of comedic possibilities. But now, when you present Obama and Hillary as heroes and then make Trump into a monster, it removes the fun "No limits, everyone is a target" feel of the old show, and it just feels like more propaganda....you know, like almost everything else. The 2nd Warners part with the reboot song was cute though its weird to see them be like "Yeah, reboots suck, and we're doing it too, but we're honest about it, lolz".

Now that said, the Pinky and the Brain short was MUCH better. That felt like a standard, if not great, P&B cartoon for the modern age and they trashed Seth Meyers. Its nice to see celebs get mocked again (something that has become weirdly taboo in the last few years).

I'm worried about watching the rest of this as I can already tell certain things are going to be left out. No way in hell Hello Nurse gets in this, and with her departure, also goes Yakko and Wakko's flirty-ness (which again, yielded some of the old show's best jokes). The old show worked because it was zany and wacky, but also because it was a little naughty and it made kids feel like they were watching something a bit more advanced. You can't subtract from the series, dull the edges, and expect it to work. You can't give us less, call it the same thing, and expect universal praise.

Also why was there no Water Tower stinger at the end of the end credits? It was nice to get one last gag at the end of the old show. I guess they figured most people will just skip the end credits.
 
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When the theme song went into "Ethnically diverse, gender neutral" and all that jazz, I was like "Oh no..."
If it had stopped there, you could argue that it was satire. As you've mentioned, the old Animaniacs poked fun at political correctness. However, the inclusion of the neckbeard following that segment demonstrated that they were playing this 100% straight.

I was already disappointed that the show was primarily just going to be The Warners and Pinky and the Brain. Yes, they are the best and most popular characters, but I liked the Goodfeathers and Slappy Squirrel too. But to use Animaniacs to pander to mental and emotional midgets.
That's what's so weird. I can see why they left out Hello Nurse and Minerva Minx, but why Slappy? They could get all kinds of anti-Trump reams with her schtick, given that the actress is pretty liberal herself. It's just bizarre.

I'm worried about watching the rest of this as I can already tell certain things are going to be left out. No way in hell Hello Nurse gets in this, and with her departure, also goes Yakko and Wakko's flirty-ness (which again, yielded some of the old show's best jokes). The old show worked because it was zany and wacky, but also because it was a little naughty and it made kids feel like they were watching something a bit more advanced. You can't subtract from the series, dull the edges, and expect it to work. You can't give us less, call it the same thing, and expect universal praise.
Given the current climate, there's no way that a cartoon with 90's sensibilities was going to fly. Given how many of these executives are likely walking on eggshells themselves after they threw Weinstein to the wolves, they would never greenlight something that would feature Yakko saying the same things to women that he did in the original, which in an of itself was not as bad as one would think. (The Hello Nurse song was anything but objectifying, lest we forget).

Also why was there no Water Tower stinger at the end of the end credits? It was nice to get one last gag at the end of the old show. I guess they figured most people will just skip the end credits.
I would have thought Marvel movies would have taught audiences to stick through the credits. You'd think that these Millennial writers would have thought of that.
 
(The Hello Nurse song was anything but objectifying, lest we forget).


At this point, the song takes on a whole new meaning for me. Instead of putting an amazing and beautiful woman on a pedestal, I feel like this is a love letter to a bygone era that can never come back. Shame.

EDIT: Oh now, I'm watching the Suffragette/Give Cartoons the Right to Vote song.

Not only was it cringey as all get out, but something tells me the Democrats would love to be able to get Bugs Bunny and The Flinstones registered as Democrats legitimately.
 
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That's what's so weird. I can see why they left out Hello Nurse and Minerva Minx, but why Slappy? They could get all kinds of anti-Trump reams with her schtick, given that the actress is pretty liberal herself. It's just bizarre.
Because she was a writer on the original and none of the writers were asked to return.
 
Hello Nurse being removed reminds me of Me. Bellum. She too was removed because the writers felt she didn't live up to todays standard's. Unlike Hello Nurse though she had a real character. She was smart, mice, and was the one who ran the city while the Mayor goofed off. She gave the girls advice helping them save the day. Her removal made no sense. For Animaniacs they should have at least updated her character rather then cancel her.

So far the reboot is what I feared it would. As soon as it went "Ethnically diverse, gender neutral" I knew where it was going. It really bothers me how these characters are being used as propaganda for these new writers view points. It's worked so well for other shows that got the woke treatment. That Russian interference joke is already outdated. It seemed the writers thought and hoped it would be proven right and Trump would be impeached. That of course never happened. Now with the talk of election interference again but from the opposite side I would if they were talk about that if this reboot last long enough. My guess is no. If they do they will just have the Warner siblings say it was a conspiracy theory and Trump would come in whining about it. Seeing as they put both Hillary and Obama in a good light I don't seem them being fair.

If they were to lighten on the wokeness and make fun of both sides like they did in the original this might work. If they keep to it this is yet another reboot I won't be watching.
 
Is there cartoons with linear storylines, like ATLA? At this point I don't care about type, I'm only interested in having a concise story.
The Ben 10 series might be worth looking into, but I'm biased as a fan. Original Ben 10 is pretty good, though due to them wanting to accurately capture the attitude of a 10 year old Ben can be quite annoying at times, the central conflict is mainly around Ben vs. Vilgax. Alien Force and Ultimate Alien are well liked for being more mature but I personally didn't really enjoy either much, it honestly felt a bit too serious at times. It also felt really against character for Ben in Alien Force to give up the omnitrix (not really a spoiler since it's only a thing in the first episode). It didn't entirely remove the humor but I just think they went a bit far in maturing up the series, still had its good moments.

I found that Ben 10: Omniverse probably has the best mix of plot to comedy and instead of the typical season structure it broke things into story arcs. First arc is just to introduce the new characters but the second arc is "Malware's Revenge" and is probably one of my favorites for the series. Since one of the overarching themes of the series is also alternate universes there's an arc that has a bunch of different Bens fighting each other which was also a fun arc. I know the animation might take a bit to get used to since they went with a different art style, but it grew on me and the series had some surprisingly well animated fights when it wanted.
 
>write sequel to popular animated comedy show
>too afraid to do comedy
>do haha late night funny men "jokes"
>never push the fucking envelope which was a main part of the original series
>never bother to elaborate a skit so the amount of effort put in makes a simple joke sequence shine
>get upset when original fans say it's shit


Many such cases
 
So I'm about half way through Animanaics' revival.

Are the Warner shorts and P&B shorts written by different people? I haven't bothered looking it up, but it feels like two groups of people working on different shorts.

Almost all the problems I have with this revival are in the Warner shorts. The obvious political slant, the obvious pandering, the lame jokes, and obnoxious forced humor for spegs. It doesn't feel like The Warners most of the time, but rather like they've been taken over by pod people. And even when it looks like a short is going well, they do something to muck it up.

The Pinky and The Brain shorts on the other hand absolutely feel like P&B. Maybe its Brain's sarcastic delivery and just the natural chemistry between the two characters, but those shorts at least feel like they are in the spirit of the original. Not every joke lands (There was a Leroy Jenkins reference that made me groan like no other) and I won't say they are as good as the old cartoons, but they at least feel like competent successors. Even when it gets "political" with a McCarthy episode and a Edward Snowden episode, it still feels like classic Pinky and the Brain while the Warners feels like preaching to the choir propaganda for kids and moronic adults.

That isn't to say the P&B shorts don't have their problems. Throughout the whole show, it feels like these people only understood Animanaics on a surface level, and not the small touches that really made it work. With P&B, they seem to completely miss the mark that Brain is supposed to be the one that screws up all the plans, not Pinky. Its set up to where it looks like Pinky is the screw up, but then Brain's ego, underestimation of Pinky, or lack of understanding of something that Pinky gets ultimately leads to the plan failing. But the endings to the shorts tend to be "Pinky screw up! HAR HAR" and that's that. Still, they are the superior shorts over the Warner siblings shorts, which I have come to dread as I continue watching this...I'm only on episode 7.
 
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