What are some of your "warning sign" bands? - When you hear someone says they like X band then it's time to ask for the check.

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More like genre related things.

If you unironically enjoy furry eletronic music and even play it in your car: see the furry subforum.

Black Dresses/anything Ada Rook and Devi McCallion have been part of like Girls Ritual: Two troons with fucking terrible music. Usually an art school student who trooned out. Source: met art kids who kept banging on about them. People who love niche artist popular for political identities are usually things to be avoided.

Double confirming anyone who mostly listens to political bands of any stripe or follow them too much.

Sewerslvt: already mentioned, check his thread for more details.

Lemon Demon usually indicates young terminal online with carrd.co in bio, theater kid, or both. He's not a bad artist, it's just that he's popular with the more annoying zoomers and millenials on twitter.

I'll likely think of someone or something later and edit again. As said earlier, it's hardcore fan behavior rather than the artist. Some artist just attract more batshit fans than others.
 
I'll give a couple genre red flags in terms of dealing with actual musicians:

1.) Hardcore Punk subgenres:

Batshit insane, insufferable, and stupid. The most bottom-of-the-barrel, walking-talking Twitter leftist stereotypes you will ever meet. Like, not even BernieBros, just straight-up Marxists. Will often be aimless losers in their 20s and 30s who are into making and/or listening to the music almost entirely to be part of the subculture. Might actually be really knowledgeable and skilled when it comes to instrumentation and recording/production, wastes it by making music that is entirely blastbeats and screaming. Romanticizes the idea of making art that appeals to a very niche audience and will never have commercial success, spends all other time complaining that capitalism is the reason that they're broke and struggling to have a career. Acts like this is the direct result of systemic oppression, not just them making shit nobody cares about.

The music scene where I live is absolutely  infested with these fucks. Basically every serious artist is either this or Death Metal. Everyone else is boomer cover bands and talentless high-schoolers. The highest concentration of troons I have ever seen. As in, I've seen bands themselves are majority (if not all) trans, and of the highest-caliber Discord kitten uwu kawaii anime nerd with an OnlyFans type.

2.) Younger Phish/Grateful Dead fans:

Pretentious stoners and hipsters. Way more rational on the whole than the above group, but still annoying. Unironically drinks craft beer, uses Reddit, and watches Rick and Morty. Utterly unoriginal and lazy. Knows how to get good sound out of an instrument, refuses to actually construct anything meaningful. Insists on improvising and jamming, acts smug when you can't follow along with the esoteric chord progression they're playing that they didn't explain beforehand. Very much does music just to say they're a musician and get art-hoe pussy.


Both groups will have a massive superiority complex about listening to weird shit. The former never grew out of their edgy high-school RATM/SOAD and/or greasy mall goth phase. The latter never grew out of their college liberal getting laid and having a social life for the first time phase. Both are hacks flinging shit at wall thinking it makes them Jackson Pollock, and treat everyone who actually tries like a sellout.

As said earlier, it's hardcore fan behavior rather than the artist. Some artist just attract more batshit fans than others.
Basically just this. Music defines who we are a lot more than other forms of media, but that doesn't mean you can't become a consoomer who's using it substitute an identity, personality, and social life.
 
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This. Marilyn Manson has the least musical talent in proportion to his/their massive, massive msm overexposure of any other musical act ever. The best MM tracks are like the filler tracks you find near the end of any other band's worst album. If anybody thinks I'm joking, go listen to some MM tracks in 2023. I promise that it won't hit the same. You've heard 100 better tracks every single year since MM seemed good. Anybody who would pay to see MM live in 2023 still owns the censored edition CDs they bought at Walmart in 2001.
The reason MM the band was so successful was heavily down to Twiggy, Manson the person had far less to do with his sound. I think Trent played a large part as well, from a tone and style aspect. You can see once Twiggy was out the band, the band has failed to capture any success, commercial or artistic.

Brians only real skill is riding off of the work of better musicians.
 
Anyone outwardly into Anarcho-Punk or Crust Punk. As much as I like Crust Punk, I absolutely despise the people into the subculture. Almost all of them are either peripherally or directly involved in Anarchist/Antifa activism and eagerly resort to violence and mob mentality to resolve any personal grievance over different ideas or something insanely petty.

Pop music / Pop Rap / Contemporary R&B fans. People who are fans of Pop music generally can't listen to anything heavier than "Zombie" by The Cranberries, and many of them still think Eminem's The Marshall Mathers LP is the edgiest album ever recorded. They tend to judge music by its social capital and relevance rather than any of its artistic qualities or merits. God forbid you tell them to listen to a song about anything other than the singer's ex-boyfriends. Speaking of which, if they openly identify with any song whose themes are "You thought I couldn't live without you, but you're wrong," I start sprinting.

White guys into Ska Punk. You are cancer. Get out of my face.

- Megan Trainor. It's hard to separate my utter hatred for her and her music from my utter hatred for her fans, but Megan Trainor fans are the most irritating girl at any party, braying about how "quirky" they are and their "vintage" tastes in fashion. This is music for BPD narcissists and trust fund brats, the girls who get offended that anyone would dare ask them out, like, who does he think he is? In fact they all tend to talk like this? With the rising inflection? Die.
Whoever thought to resuscitate her career should be charged with crimes against humanity.

As I only go to metal concerts 99% of the time I usually just look at people's metal vests before I decide if it's worth talking to the person bc there are several red flags on a vest.

- only patches from mainstream metal bands bc you don't dig deeper into what the genre has to offer
- only bands signed to Nuclear Blast bc all Nuclear Blast bands sound the same and suck
- patches from mainstream labels/mailorder brands like EMP
- patches from Wacken Open Air
- festival wrist bands sewn onto the vest
- mostly/only patches from bands that only release digital shit on bandcamp but have no real physical releases. Fuck all these bandcamp-only bands.

I am a simple man. If your vest sucks, you suck.
It's been a while since I've been to a Metal show, but true Punks and Metalheads can be as insufferable as posers and scene kids. You will find a handful of deeply passionate guys and girls into Metal or Punk with their own respective bands, fanzines or blogs, but a massive swath of people claiming to be into the genre but are as much hanger-ons as the idiots whose tastes are informed by Hot Topic or Metal-Sucks. All that's different is that the true Metalheads may post on more obscure forums.

I was at a Clan of Xymox show (yes, it's Goth, I know) and struck up a conversation with a guy in a Bathory t-shirt. Both of us agreed on Blood Fire Death being the pinnacle of Quorthon's entire career, so you'd think the conversation would continue smoothly. I then mentioned Gummo which led to a deeply negative reaction from him on account of the film being too "fucked up" for his tastes. While I never saw it in its entirety, the film has quite a strong soundtrack including Bathory, Eyehategod, The Electric Hellfire Club, Sleep and Corrosion of Conformity, so his distaste for it surprised me a little. To smooth things over, I told him I hardly have patience for seeing movies anymore and spend much of my free time either shitposting online, reading or trawling the internet for obscure bands to listen to. When I mentioned I still buy CDs and physical media, he instantly started to flex on me stating that, I shit you not, can barely make rent so he doesn't understand why anyone would buy CDs when YouTube exists. Apparently, the benefits of lossless audio experienced through audiophile headphones was lost on him. It's strange to see someone who knows they're in an unenviable position still try to posture as if they're superior to you. In between all his smug, passive aggressive jabs and veiled insults, he then followed it up by declaring his love for me as a friend. Considering I just met this guy, I knew he was trying to irritate me. The immediate way I filtered him was informing him I liked Rock Against Communism. He instantly went cold, walked away to the other side of the pit and actively avoided me throughout the entire show. Couldn't have been gladder to have gotten rid of him.

As for me, these are the big bad list of bands that reek poser: Dragonforce, The Sword, Gama Bomb, Sabaton, Symphony X, any/all Corset Metal bands (Lacuna Coil, Epica, Within Temptation), Ensiferum, Korpiklaani, Finntroll, Meshuggah, Nile, In Flames, Therion, Arch Enemy

I'll admit to liking some of these bands, but the people that are outwardly into them are obnoxious or have very superficial tastes in Metal.
Oh shit, it's the platonian ideal of "metal fan"

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KORN/SLIPKNOT: The second I see this, I instantly know what you are. I have identified my foe. The once-mallgoth, the Hot Topic lurker, the guy who shops at Spencer's unironically and probably pegs himself. Was a goth in high school, with a tattered and ratty head of dyed-black hair to match the crusty fingernail polish. Frequently in trouble for extremely stupid and retarded hijinks. Gets high behind the bleachers after school or bums a cigarette from a friend. The black hair dye has soaked through past the meninges and, acting as a neurotoxin, has affected all regions of the brain, to the frontal lobes and capability for more difficult problem solving and properly appreciating things, to the temporal lobe, where audio signals are processed. These people rarely rise above fast food, although family nepotism tends to help them build careers they otherwise shouldn't have had.

You will also find these people who are into Five Finger Death Punch or some other form of retarded radio-friendly Hard Alternative. Whether they were mallgoths or buttrock douchebags, they are all insufferable. They're also likely to still quote Marvel movies as if they're high cinema or, if on the off chance they do like something more serious, will completely miss the context for which a famous line is said and will state it merely for its own sake.

Pretentious stoners and hipsters. Way more rational on the whole than the above group, but still annoying. Unironically drinks craft beer, uses Reddit, and watches Rick and Morty. Utterly unoriginal and lazy. Knows how to get good sound out of an instrument, refuses to actually construct anything meaningful. Insists on improvising and jamming, acts smug when you can't follow along with the esoteric chord progression they're playing that they didn't explain beforehand. Very much does music just to say they're a musician and get art-hoe pussy.
Soyboys ruin everything. The IPA drinkers of the music world. Full of themselves and feign "getting it" to appear erudite and sophisticated.
 
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I only go to metal concerts

I usually just look at people's metal vests before I decide if it's worth talking to the person

mainstream metal bands

bands signed to Nuclear Blast

mainstream labels/mailorder brands


bands that only release digital shit

Fuck all these bandcamp-only bands.
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FYI, YOU are the red flag. YOU are the judgmental metal hipster asshole that metal fans dread having a conversation with. You might enjoy metal more if you pull your non-mainstream, I-liked-it-before-it-was-cool stick out of your ass and stopped obsessing over what label releases what music and whether it's "mainstream".
 
Jack Off Jill,
Some time around the early 2000s they toured England. I thought they were all super gay. The girl I was seeing did not, so off to the gig I went.
The gig was insufferable shit music. After, they were all smoking outside and my girl went up to talk to them. They all leered at her and generally started acting slimy. I was stood about ten feet away because I hated their stupid asses so didn't want to talk to them, but on seeing them get a bit too friendly I walked over. They were super rude to me (don't think they knew I was her man) and said "What do you want?" Oh nice way to greet someone who just watched your gay show. I sparked up a joint and offered them some (this was me trying to be friendly) and they told me to get away. I thought fuck these guys and just started saying "you wanna buy some crack? You all look like crack smokers, I got crack! Want some?" I didn't but I figured if they turn down a joint it would disgust them. It did. Eventually my girl said "stop embarrassing me" and they realised I was with her. Then they stopped talking to her lol. I was in the doghouse that night but it was worth it. Fuck that gay band and their gay music.
 
Some time around the early 2000s they toured England. I thought they were all super gay. The girl I was seeing did not, so off to the gig I went.
The gig was insufferable shit music. After, they were all smoking outside and my girl went up to talk to them. They all leered at her and generally started acting slimy. I was stood about ten feet away because I hated their stupid asses so didn't want to talk to them, but on seeing them get a bit too friendly I walked over. They were super rude to me (don't think they knew I was her man) and said "What do you want?" Oh nice way to greet someone who just watched your gay show. I sparked up a joint and offered them some (this was me trying to be friendly) and they told me to get away. I thought fuck these guys and just started saying "you wanna buy some crack? You all look like crack smokers, I got crack! Want some?" I didn't but I figured if they turn down a joint it would disgust them. It did. Eventually my girl said "stop embarrassing me" and they realised I was with her. Then they stopped talking to her lol. I was in the doghouse that night but it was worth it. Fuck that gay band and their gay music.
The bands in that genre tend to be comprised of girls that were bullied as kids and become the mean girls as adults. Think Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way how she acts exactly like the popular girls she hates but she's goffik so she's different. They all tend to suck each other off and create really gay drama and bitch at each other on social media to try to get their fans involved. So the story checks out.
 
Some time around the early 2000s they toured England. I thought they were all super gay. The girl I was seeing did not, so off to the gig I went.
The gig was insufferable shit music. After, they were all smoking outside and my girl went up to talk to them. They all leered at her and generally started acting slimy. I was stood about ten feet away because I hated their stupid asses so didn't want to talk to them, but on seeing them get a bit too friendly I walked over. They were super rude to me (don't think they knew I was her man) and said "What do you want?" Oh nice way to greet someone who just watched your gay show. I sparked up a joint and offered them some (this was me trying to be friendly) and they told me to get away. I thought fuck these guys and just started saying "you wanna buy some crack? You all look like crack smokers, I got crack! Want some?" I didn't but I figured if they turn down a joint it would disgust them. It did. Eventually my girl said "stop embarrassing me" and they realised I was with her. Then they stopped talking to her lol. I was in the doghouse that night but it was worth it. Fuck that gay band and their gay music.
LMAO. Dude, you should have offered them poppers, they would have been throwing themselves at you.
Bands mentioned in the thread, that I like: Ramones, Siuxie and the Banshees, The Smiths
I've never had a bad experience with any of these fans. Even The Smiths fans hate Morrissey. Younger "goths" don't even know what the fuck Siouxsie and the Banshees is, and Ramones fans tend to be pretty chill.

any/all Corset Metal bands (Lacuna Coil, Epica, Within Temptation)
Not sure if they would count, but Diablo Swing Orchestra had a good three-album run until the opera singer left and they replaced her with someone that sounds at home with Nightwish, ugh.
I was at a Clan of Xymox show (yes, it's Goth, I know)
So was I, great time.
1.) Hardcore Punk subgenres:

Batshit insane, insufferable, and stupid. The most bottom-of-the-barrel, walking-talking Twitter leftist stereotypes you will ever meet. Like, not even BernieBros, just straight-up Marxists. Will often be aimless losers in their 20s and 30s who are into making and/or listening to the music almost entirely to be part of the subculture. Might actually be really knowledgeable and skilled when it comes to instrumentation and recording/production, wastes it by making music that is entirely blastbeats and screaming. Romanticizes the idea of making art that appeals to a very niche audience and will never have commercial success, spends all other time complaining that capitalism is the reason that they're broke and struggling to have a career. Acts like this is the direct result of systemic oppression, not just them making shit nobody cares about.

The music scene where I live is absolutely  infested with these fucks. Basically every serious artist is either this or Death Metal. Everyone else is boomer cover bands and talentless high-schoolers. The highest concentration of troons I have ever seen. As in, I've seen bands themselves are majority (if not all) trans, and of the highest-caliber Discord kitten uwu kawaii anime nerd with an OnlyFans type.
I see this too dude. There's a reason the only punk I really listen to is the apolical Ramones and Siouxsie and the Banshees, if the Banshees truly are punk (and their first two albums I listen to the least). It seems these people dominate all music subculture. They've absolutely infested my local area too. I'm almost afraid you may live near me.
 
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FYI, YOU are the red flag. YOU are the judgmental metal hipster asshole that metal fans dread having a conversation with. You might enjoy metal more if you pull your non-mainstream, I-liked-it-before-it-was-cool stick out of your ass and stopped obsessing over what label releases what music and whether it's "mainstream".
@Onni Kalsarikännit's post was cringe but I trust his opinions over somebody who thinks that fucking Brokencyde is metal.
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Not really a specific band or artist, but when a person has a tattoo of some band or artist imprinted on their skin, that's a big warning sign.

Usually yes, but I know someone with an Olivia Newton-John tattoo, so...

Someone mentioned Lewis Capaldi earlier. Not my kind of voice or music - he reminds me of Andrew Strong from The Commitments - but, unlike Strong, who was a complete wanker, Capaldi doesn't take himself too seriously and seems like a sweet lad. His pizza is nice too. Saying that, Ed Sheeran seems a decent sort too, even though I'd rather spoon my eyes out than hear one bar of his insipid music. Very wary of anyone who likes him - music for accountants and office workers with no imagination.
 
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