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Where should I start with Lovecraft if I've never read him before?
Depends on the sort of stuff you find interesting. He has a decent bit of flexibility even then. My favorite is At the Mountains of Madness, but I think I would probably start with something like the Color out of Space or Rats in the Walls. Either that or try some of his shorter stuff like Haunter in the Dark, or Cool Air.

I do suggest not reading Call of Cthulhu until you are sure you like him. I genuinely find that his worst work, and that includes how Herbert West, Reanimator and how it resummarizes itself due to being a serialized publishing.
 
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Depends on the sort of stuff you find interesting. He has a decent bit of flexibility even then. My favorite is At the Mountains of Madness, but I think I would probably start with something like the Color out of Space or Rats in the Walls. Either that or try some of his shorter stuff like Haunter in the Dark, or Cool Air.

I do suggest not reading Call of Cthulhu until you are sure you like him. I genuinely find that his worst work, and that includes how Herbert West, Reanimator and how it resummarizes itself due to being a serialized publishing.
I'd add The Dunwich Horror and The Shadow Over Innsmouth. They're among his best known works and they inspired a lot of different video game and movie makers.
 
Oh cool. I've never gotten too deep into cyberpunk aside from DADOES.
That was way before cyberpunk and I wouldn't even really consider anything Dick wrote cyberpunk.
I do suggest not reading Call of Cthulhu until you are sure you like him. I genuinely find that his worst work, and that includes how Herbert West, Reanimator and how it resummarizes itself due to being a serialized publishing.
Herbert West was tremendously schlocky, and unlike most of his work, very suited to an adaptation as a schlocky B movie. The movie is trash but it's really good trash. Almost all cinema adaptations of Lovecraft are garbage. The best is In the Mouth of Madness, which isn't even an adaptation of any Lovecraft work.
 
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An obscure novel I came across, Fandemonium, by Rick Schindler. It's set in 1993, and deals with the world of comics. Ray Sirico one-time writer extraordinaire, has been tasked with writing a story, a "comics event" that will end with the death of publisher Colossal Comics' most popular hero, Skylord. He was the writer credited with rejuvenating the Skylord title when he started on it in the 1970s. He'd poured his heart and soul into the character, that he'd dreamed of writing for since childhood. For this he was acclaimed, made appearances on TV talk shows, had been married with a pretty blonde wife, confident, cocksure. Sirico is a shell of his former self, a washed-up, bloated slob, done in by a diet of Jose Cuervo and cocaine, and the weight of his own ego. The once great writer can barely focus enough to write a script on deadline. And he's supposed to present his DEATH OF SKYLORD script tomorrow.

Yet, in his mind, he still believes that he has one last shot at making it back to the big time. He happily imagines writing the triumphant return of Skylord from the dead, and drinking in the accolades from the fans, because nobody really stays dead in comics, right? Especially not a prominent character like Skylord.

“Ray, you know how important this is. The death of Skylord is new management’s top priority.”

“Death my pimply pink ass. He’s just going into suspended animation. Or falling through a wormhole into a parallel universe. Or staying at his timeshare in the Hamptons. I forget. Which cliché were you planning to dislodge from your rectum this time, Lenny?”

Lenny sighed. “We’re working on it.”

“You apprehend, do you not, that this is precisely the sort of hackneyed bilge I purged from Skylord’s magazines some two decades ago, thereby rescuing them from cancellation, generating millions in revenue for Colossal Comics, and not incidentally keeping you gainfully employed for lo these many years?”

Through the line came a soft but gratifying moan that let Sirico know he hadn’t lost his touch. “What do you want me to say, Ray? You’ re right. But these guys own our asses now, and there’s nothing we can do about it except try and give them what they want.”

The problem is that the new owners of Colossal Comics, British media giant Nebula Communications, have no intention of bringing Skylord back. Colossal Comics has been bleeding money for years and also with declining readership., This left them vulnerabe to being taken over by Nebula, and one of Nebula boss Alec Tilton's plans to begin recouping Colossal's financial losses is to kill off the hero. Another reason for the downward trend of Colossal has been the departure of star artist Tad Carlyle to form his own company, Fireburst Comics, taking with him several other artists and writers, along with a large part of Colossal's readership. Fireburst's superheros are seen as cool, hip, edgy, like Blind Justice, who burns out villains' eyes with branding irons. Colossal's heroes, like Skylord, Riplash, the Uncanny Chesire Cat, etc. are perceived as stodgy, establishment and all that. The death of Skylord will be illustrated by Carlyle, lured back by a generous payday, be pumped up into a revenue earner, and his permanent elimination will signal to readers that Colossal is taking on a more modern edge.

“To generate word-of-mouth,” Reginald was saying, “all November issues will reinforce the campaign with dramatic black covers.”

Dark rectangles appeared and dissolved rapidly across the projection screen: Skylord, Riplash, Pantheon of Power, Phenomenal Phantom Ninja, all pitch-black except for their logos floating forlornly in the void. Even Timothy Tortoise, for God’s sake. It was PowerPointless come to life.

“Not only will this build excitement; we will also realize a cost benefit.” Reginald’s smile was ghastly. “No cover-art expenses for an entire month.”

“Just think how much we’d save if we made all the inside pages black too,” Jay murmured to Lenny. Alec gave them a venomous look.

To distract him, Lenny waved his hand like a third-grader. “Just one thing. After all this, how are we going to bring Sky back?”

Reginald looked at him as if Lenny had just farted loudly.

“I mean, when the promotion’s over,” Lenny persisted. “Don’t get me wrong; it’s a good stunt. But after this kind of buildup, we’re going to have to come up with something pretty convincing when Sky comes back. We can’t have him just suddenly get better.”

“Not to worry,” Alec said. “He won’t be coming back.”

Lenny could hear derisive snorts from Jay and his other editors. He tried to keep his voice gentle. “You don’t understand. They always come back. You don’t kiss off a flagship character just because sales are in a slump. The licensing’s too valuable. When you’ve been around for a while, you'll see. These things are cyclical —”

“You don’t understand,” Alec said. “Reginald, please elucidate.”

At Reginald’s touch, more graphs and charts blossomed across the screen. “The research is quite conclusive,” he said. “According to our focus groups, Skylord is old hat: stiff, stale, hopelessly out of step with the times. The character represents precisely the brand image Colossal must shed in order to capture greater market share.”

Even in the dim light Lenny could see how wide Jay’s eyes had gone as he stared at the screen. “Jesus,” he muttered, “they’ re not kidding.” Lenny’s side of the table fell under a stunned silence that he had to force himself to break. “Now just a minute. This isn’t what we talked about when—”

To get the fans' attention for this event, it will be announced at the titular big comics and sci-fi convention, Fandemonium. All sorts of characters and subplots converge at the con, from long suffering EiC Lenny, the gone Hollywood founder of Colossal, Henry "King" Cole, young hotshot Carlyle, awkward teenage comics fan Fred, actress Harmony Storm (whose fling with Ray years ago had been the nail in the coffin of his marriage) etc., and between chapters are interstitials ranging from interoffice memos, newspaper and magazine articles chronicling, among other things the disaster that was the 1970s Skylord film, interview transcripts and even pages from a 1993 comics' buyers guide:

SCALES OF BLIND JUSTICE Sept. 1992-Present
Fireburst Comics Consortium
1-1ntro Blind Justice; embossed foil stamped wraparound cover; has coupon for Laserblade #0: $10.00
1-With coupon missing: $3.00
2-Glow-in-the-dark branding iron: $8.00
2-With branding iron missing: $2.50
3-Die-cut cover w/burned-out eyeholes: $5.00

SCIENCE COMMANDOS (Clint Comet and His...)
June 1952-No. 20 Feb. 1954
Atomic Comics
1-Intro Clint Comet: $325.00
2-5, 7-12: 3-1st app. Widget the Robot: $175.00
6- “Reds on the Red Planet”: classic cover of giant hammer and sickle covering Mars: $230.00
13-20: 16- “Brain Termites of Pluto”: $150.00
 
Where should I start with Lovecraft if I've never read him before?
I second starting with his shorter stuff and then moving on to his longer works if you're enjoying him. It's odd but I enjoy other Lovecraftian stories more than anything Lovecraft wrote himself.

im gunna read jurrassic park soon
Report back. There are some things I really liked about it and some things I really didn't. I think the movie is overall better.
 
Almost all cinema adaptations of Lovecraft are garbage. The best is In the Mouth of Madness, which isn't even an adaptation of any Lovecraft work.
Have you seen Dagon (2001)? I thought it was decent, especially the part where the drunkard tells the town's story.
 
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Been reading lots of Yukio Mishima as of recent, just finished Sun and Steel recently and gonna start Confessions of a Mask soon
 
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doesn't it also have a legit anime adaptation too
Yeah, it does. It was on TV here a century ago and everyone I know of liked it. I unfortunately only managed to catch like 5-6 episodes of it in total before the show ended. Still loved it.
and man can you see the genes of Elric in so much of sword & sorcery.
I'd say you can see it in fiction in general. Elric's the OG dark elf who made edgy shit super popular and is on a similar level with Conan and Kull when it comes to influence in fiction.
Roadside Picnic is a fun read.
The monkey child is the worst thing. I did like the jamal who kept burying the artifacts in the zone.
I've got to get to Neuromancer and Schismatrix Plus sometime.
Do it. It's great. The opening line alone is legendary. The sky above the port was the color of television tuned to a dead channel.
What I'm saying is that if you still want more Lovecraft, you can easily just read his friends who contributed to the "Mythos" and kept his work in print after his death (Derleth and co. started Arkham House but then Derleth sorta turned the Mythos into more of a good vs evil thing. YMMV on his contributions to the Mythos.)
I just find them all to be so obviously not him to the point where it just detracts from the whole experience. It's an attempt to emulate a aspect of his already existing stories where Lovecraft himself didn't go down that route. We all know he isn't the tentacle and sunken city guy, but the people emulating him seem to fail to grasp that. Tentacles and seas aren't what's scary about Lovecraft. The implications raised by the explanations of the mythologies, folklore and history is what's scary about Lovecraft.
Where should I start with Lovecraft if I've never read him before?
Skip the dream cycle and go for his big stories. Don't bother with any order, just grab whichever, they're not in chronological or storytelling order: Innsmoth, Cthulhu, Mountains of Madness, Music of Eric Zann, Dagon, Reanimator, Color out of Space, Dunwitch Horror, Nameless City, Rats in the Walls. Then read the rest if you've found the previously listed to be enjoyable.
I will state that the nameless city is my favorite, followed by shadow over Innsmoth.
I'm not in the mood for them right now, but Clark Ashton Smith is basically Lovecraft/Howard, but with the writing skill dialed up. Man is a superb writer.
I've personally found his stories to be lacking compared to the above two (static and archaic, probably purposefully, but that still doesn't fix it), while his worldbuilding, at least in concept, might have been better and more creative than them.
 
Have you seen Dagon (2001)? I thought it was decent, especially the part where the drunkard tells the town's story.
It's ok if you're massive Lovecraft nerd, but as a standalone movie it really isn't worth watching, then again you could say that about pretty much every horror movie ever made...

To anyone even slightly interested in horror / Lovecraft, just get the Necronomicon

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This weekend I finished two books: Tyll by Daniel Kehlmann and The Mill House Murder by Yukito Ayatsuji
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It's a retelling of the old, german fool character Till Eulenspiegel into Tyll Ulenspiegel. Rather than the 14th century, where the original stories first appeared, the book is set during the Thirty-Year War

For years I was convinced that the worst time to be alive was in Europe during the Thirty-Year War (followed by Warring States Era in China). The book convinces me of the point even further. It's filled with war, disease, uncertainty, hunger, suffering. During all of this, Tyll and his friend Nele flee their sad existences and become performers travelling across Germany.
There's a lot to be said about this book but I'll pick out only one point: The unreliable narrators. The book is separated into multiple segments in non-chronological order and with different narrative voices that prove themselves contradictory. It's rather phenomenal the way it's done.

During one part, for example, the plot follows some fat soldier who is tasked with finding Tyll who sought shelter in a monastery. It's quickly established that this story would be written down into the autobiography of the general but with missing parts and contradictions. Very often the narrative makes a cut by pointing out how the general was wrong in what he wrote down, how it wasn't like this but like this. What information he missed, what he changed, what he added to his book, etc.
One detail of this part sticks out to me: As they neared the monastery and asked people for information about Tyll, the suffering that the villagers had to go through is vividly described. No food, no animals, no money, no medicine, barely any clothes but enough disease to share.
But when they were asked of Tyll, they seemed cheered up. They remembered him well and happily pointed to where he was staying. That was one of the few parts that wasn't contradicted between the soldier's account and the narrative.
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I love whodunnits and although I'm extremely critical of some of the shit the publisher, Pushkin Vertigo, is pulling, I'm very happy that these stories receive translations. Their japanese crime collection is the only thing I could be accused of collecting.

This is the second book I read of the author after The Decagon House Murders. Both books are murder mysteries involving a gimmicky house built by an eccentric architect. They borrow ideas from some of the best Murder Mysteries. Decagon House Murders was a take on And Then There Were None but I can't tell which this one references or it'd be a spoiler.
The detective, Shimada, is not actually a detective by profession. He's an extremely neutral but charming jap. He reminds me of Columbo if Columbo wasn't actually a detective but just a guy asking questions to figure out things on his own.
What the detective is missing in eccentricity, the setting makes up for it. It's about a reclusive, paralyzed masked groomer who inherited the paintings of his father. Yearly he invites four people to look at the paintings. Next to him in that strange house lives his teenager wife he kept locked up ever since he adopted her.

The narrative is split between the past when two people died and one man disappeared and the present where the investigation begins again. For a murder mystery, the cast is extremely small. You get an idea very quickly about whodunnit but the reveal still managed to surprise me. I got 90% right but not the key twist.
It's ok if you're massive Lovecraft nerd, but as a standalone movie it really isn't worth watching, then again you could say that about pretty much every horror movie ever made...

To anyone even slightly interested in horror / Lovecraft, just get the Necronomicon

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The Gollancz Necronomicon is good and was my gateway into all things Lovecraft when I was a wee lad with poor English-skills. I'd recommend the Penguin-versions if you're autistic though. The stories from the three Penguin Lovecraft books were taken from S.T. Joshi's Variorum Editions (four volumes collecting all of Lovecraft in its most accurate capacity, research into manuscripts, footnotes for strange words etc.) so they are superior when it comes to accuracy in how HP wrote them.
Purely for reading Gollancz is still fine though.

The Variorum Editions are unfortunately hard to get. Their original versions are of POD quality but completionists have the option to waste all their money on luxury prints.
 
Everyone else’s advice is garbage. The objectively best way to consume Lovecraft is to just read his works as they released chronologically.

This is true for all media.
I have friends with this same brand of autism. And then they're surprised again and again when new potential fans fail to get into something they know is great.

If you want something to actually "take" with a potential new fan, you have to guide them to the parts that are easiest to immediately appreciate. That way they can *gasp* appreciate it immediately and build momentum for the media from there.
 
I finished Ted Dekker's The Circle series (4 books) and it was absolutely fantastic! At least from the perspective of a Christian. It gives a fresh perspective on the faith and redemption. This book made me feel things...

If your not into Christianity it's still a good book - but the non-religious writing (plot, characters, dialog, ect..) was par at best.

Now I'm reading Hostage to the Devil by Malachi Martin. It's the only Catholic adjacent book I have on the shelf and I figured it was a good time to read as the pope died.
 
If you want something to actually "take" with a potential new fan, you have to guide them to the parts that are easiest to immediately appreciate. That way they can *gasp* appreciate it immediately and build momentum for the media from there.
If they can’t get into it when it is fresh and desperate to build an audience then it probably was never going to be for them.

100% you made this post in reference to video games, which I will concede as a bit of an exception due to games having QoL changes between disparate enough entries.
 
I just find them all to be so obviously not him to the point where it just detracts from the whole experience. It's an attempt to emulate a aspect of his already existing stories where Lovecraft himself didn't go down that route. We all know he isn't the tentacle and sunken city guy, but the people emulating him seem to fail to grasp that. Tentacles and seas aren't what's scary about Lovecraft. The implications raised by the explanations of the mythologies, folklore and history is what's scary about Lovecraft.
Lovecraft really hit the imagination of fantasy/horror writers after him that a lot of his shit is tangled and mixed in with misconceptions.

That being said, he's still great fun.

I've personally found his stories to be lacking compared to the above two (static and archaic, probably purposefully, but that still doesn't fix it), while his worldbuilding, at least in concept, might have been better and more creative than them.

I think he's a fine read if you're in the mood for them. His prose is leagues better, but it can filter people out.

For the big Weird Tales writers, Smith's usually considered the heavyweight in terms of sheer prosaic skill. The man was more of a poet than storyteller. I'd have to say Robert E. Howard is my favorite of the "big three" of Weird Tales (Howard, Smith, Lovecraft).

I will say, picking any writer that made their bones in that pulp magazine isn't bad. Manly Wade Wellman is fun and I really liked Silver John. Seabury Quinn's Jules de Grandin stuff isn't rocking the world, but they're fun little occult detective tales. August Derleth, Carl Jacobi, Frank Belknap Long, Donald/Howard Wandrei were all solidly enjoyable writers that were known for contributing to the Cthulhu Mythos and were older members of the Lovecraft Circle. Then you got to the likes of Robert Bloch, Ray Bradbury, Tennessee Williams, Henry Kuttner, C. L. Moore, Edmond Hamilton, and Fritz Leiber who all went on to greater pastures. They're all enjoyable. Williams had a fun story about Nitocris (Ancient Egyptian figure of some sort). It was one of his first! Bloch's penchant for horror was sharpened in the '30s. I haven't read "Psycho" yet, but the Hitchcock adaptation was great.

Bradbury and Leiber got their horror start with Weird Tales. Fun authors. Bradbury needs no introduction, man was one of the most prominent American fiction writers of his era. Leiber created Fafhrd & The Grey Mouser and was a major cog in the development of modern fantasy and DnD. He also did great horror. Leiber and Bloch were both part of Lovecraft's circle and he did mentor them. I think Bradbury came on the scene too late to be mentored by Lovecraft. You can easily find their horror work, it's been collected very often.

Edmond Hamilton got his beginnings in Weird Tales. He was one of those early pulp era SF pioneers that branched off and heavily influenced early modern SF and Space Opera. His Weird Tales days also probably influenced a lot of his later comics output with the weird science sorta stories he'd pump out in the '40s-60s. Solid writer, I remember "What’s It Like Out There?" as a memorable tale and rather seriously introspective relative to the time it was published. He's largely slept on these days and it's a damned shame. He was married to Leigh Brackett and they certainly influenced each other. (Brackett was a female pulp SF writer and Hollywood scriptwriter who worked on The Big Sleep, Hatari, and The Empire Strikes Back. She's a fun writer to read and has lots of good work. )

C. L. Moore was a woman writer. She created Jirel of Joiry, the first female sword and sorcery protagonist and also the first one to be written by a woman. She also created Northwest Smith, a proto- Han Solo style character. She got congratulated by Lovecraft for her debut work and may have been a late member of the Lovecraft Circle (don't remember). Moore was an excellent writer and eventually married Henry Kuttner, another pulp writer. When Kuttner passed away in '58, Moore never wrote SF/F again. Moore and Kuttner worked together a lot, so it's hard to tell who did what on their works after they got married. Kuttner was called a "Neglected Master" by Ray Bradbury and never quite wrote a definitive novel. He's still a splendid writer who has a knack for worldbuilding and imagery. Moore and Kuttner worked together on many stories, like "Mimsy were the Borogroves" and "Two Handed Engine". I know there's a LOT of collections that have their work together or individually. I could sperg more, but I think their work holds up well. It's widely available second-hand, on kindle, or on specialty presses like Haffner Press or Subterranean Press.

Weird Tales is apparently on its third or fourth iteration as the "Magazine that never dies". Nowadays it's edited by Marvin Kaye and. . . apparently got criticized for having weaker stories. Marvin Kaye's gotte be an octogenerian at this point so I guess he's a figurehead.


As for other great semi-forgotten SF/F writers, I just don't hear enough people talking about how fun Cyril M. Kornbluth was in his short fiction. Man also died young. . . in 1958. But he was a fun satirist and a hell of a weirdo. His best buddy and frequent co-author, Frederick Pohl, went on to have one of the longest careers in SF and wound up being pretty widely respected. Their crowning piece they wrote together is probably The Space Merchants. I keep getting told to read it, and will do so later this year.

Another fun one that's also not talked about often is Robert F. Young, a guy who wrote SF in the 50s-60s for magazines and was compared to Ray Bradbury. He apparently had a lifelong career as a school janitor and died unknown. Shame, because his work's really well written and rather poignant.
 
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This book made me miserable for two weeks after reading it and I still think about it sometimes. It was inspired by the poem "Waiting for the Barbarians", which you might've heard as a figure of speech. Has anyone here read anything else by Dino Buzzati?
 
Skip the dream cycle and go for his big stories. Don't bother with any order, just grab whichever, they're not in chronological or storytelling order: Innsmoth, Cthulhu, Mountains of Madness, Music of Eric Zann, Dagon, Reanimator, Color out of Space, Dunwitch Horror, Nameless City, Rats in the Walls. Then read the rest if you've found the previously listed to be enjoyable.
I will state that the nameless city is my favorite, followed by shadow over Innsmoth.
This is well beyond "beginner" advice, but I'd say only skip the dream cycle in the beginning. It's well worth the read. So is his poetry, although it ranges from dreadful to excellent (and maybe the best nigger-hating poem of all time). His Baudelaire-style prose poems like Ex Oblivione are also worth a read.

And somewhere in all that, you should find the time to read his letters (there are lots and you can jump around and read them nearly at random). He was a lot more interesting a person than his reclusive and spergy nature would lead you to believe. Also L. Sprague de Camp's biography of him is excellent.

S.T. Joshi also wrote a lot about him that's worth reading, if you want to get meta.

This is well after beginner HPL though.
 
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This book made me miserable for two weeks after reading it and I still think about it sometimes. It was inspired by the poem "Waiting for the Barbarians", which you might've heard as a figure of speech. Has anyone here read anything else by Dino Buzzati?
I've been intrigued, sell me on him. I see his books from time to time.

This is well beyond "beginner" advice, but I'd say only skip the dream cycle in the beginning. It's well worth the read. So is his poetry, although it ranges from dreadful to excellent (and maybe the best nigger-hating poem of all time). His Baudelaire-style prose poems like Ex Oblivione are also worth a read.

And somewhere in all that, you should find the time to read his letters (there are lots and you can jump around and read them nearly at random). He was a lot more interesting a person than his reclusive and spergy nature would lead you to believe. Also L. Sprague de Camp's biography of him is excellent.

S.T. Joshi also wrote a lot about him that's worth reading, if you want to get meta.

This is well after beginner HPL though.

I think there's also the mystique and expectation that people new to Lovecraft place on him, expecting to be blown away.

Speaking of Joshi, he uploaded this old newsreel interview with Lovecraft from the early 1930s. Pretty cool. He vaguely sounds like an acquaintance of mine.

 
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