What are your thoughts on (or experiences with) Native Americans?

[winderson_silva]

What's the deal with the twospirit shit being adopted by queers? Are they okay with that?

You know for people that believe on "science" they are quick to hop on any caveman superstition as long it isnt made by whites.

Were natives are know to go to meetings in these giant american cars that for sure run over a dozen small animals, only to revert to fake being all isolated from the krakas whenever a NGO show up on their lands.

My uncle spent 30 years on French Guyana mining gold, he didnt got much results, and people are telling him to go back to the city since he lost 90% of his money when some natives raided his place

 

[Aunt Carol]

I have another question about Native Americans that I have never had a fair and non-judgmental space like this to ask in:

The US' treatment of Native Americans was often dishonorable, so it makes a kind of sense to make payments to their descendants, whether or not that's a good thing for the descendants.

What's the intended rationale behind "land acknowledgements," though? Human history is full of conquests, and I'm pretty sure nobody's starting shows at the Globe with a paragraph about unceded Pictish land.

Is the difference that there was a vastly different tech level between Europeans/US and the Indians, so conquering wasn't cricket? Or is it just a timeline thing, like this happened recently enough that everyone should have retroactively known better? If the problem is that the Indians never legally gave up the land, then shouldn't they be treated as enemy aliens to this day, maybe withhold gibs until someone gets them to finish the paperwork?

Land acknowledgements are weird and I hope it's a "latinx" thing where the affected people don't care for it either.

 

[Pentex]

What's the intended rationale behind "land acknowledgements," though?

Christians and Muslims publicly pray to God; progressives publicly pray to the lumpenproletariat/oppressed du jour (women/blacks/injuns'/troons/Palestinians/et al.).

They would never dream of giving their own property to the Rez Rats, and they wouldn't take up arms against the government to get their land back. They'll posture and whine, donate to an NGO, and go get another Starbucks.

 

[Executive Petrel]

 

[NoReturn]

Land acknowledgements are weird and I hope it's a "latinx" thing where the affected people don't care for it either.

They make me want to cringe out my own asshole.
It's worse than saying nothing at all. Instead of being a conquered people who lost to superior force, they're demoted to idiots who had their things stolen and due to their beautiful untainted and childlike nature were just incapable of fighting back in any meaningful way.
No stories of honor and heroism, no last stands or acknowledgement of the skill of the defeated, just pity for the pathetic, naïve natives.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

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That's an old picture and a low resolution version at that but the poster behind it is clearly not English.

As for natives (the "feather" Indians) I haven't had much experience with them, and that's probably for the best. I will have to say that the tribal police's actions at the Burning Man blockade last year was extremely based.

 

[Executive Petrel]

They are nevajo like Christian Ricardo Weston Chandler

 

[Paper Machete]

I have another question about Native Americans that I have never had a fair and non-judgmental space like this to ask in:

The US' treatment of Native Americans was often dishonorable, so it makes a kind of sense to make payments to their descendants, whether or not that's a good thing for the descendants.

What's the intended rationale behind "land acknowledgements," though? Human history is full of conquests, and I'm pretty sure nobody's starting shows at the Globe with a paragraph about unceded Pictish land.

Is the difference that there was a vastly different tech level between Europeans/US and the Indians, so conquering wasn't cricket? Or is it just a timeline thing, like this happened recently enough that everyone should have retroactively known better? If the problem is that the Indians never legally gave up the land, then shouldn't they be treated as enemy aliens to this day, maybe withhold gibs until someone gets them to finish the paperwork?

Land acknowledgements are weird and I hope it's a "latinx" thing where the affected people don't care for it either.

It's just a virtue signal thing and honestly think is perpetuated explicitly because reservations are a thing rather than not.

The whole history with Indians is really complex, not least of all because they're a collection of different peoples spread out across the U.S. and Canada and not a monolithic entity. Their conception of having a somewhat singular identity is entirely for political purposes (and from "well-meaning" progressives who honestly haven't given them any real thought beyond as another way to signal their moral superiority).

I'd like to point out that a lot of lands weren't really theirs. They were places they hunted or moved through when migrating but many didn't have a conception of land ownership the way westerners think of it and this is one of the main reasons so many treaties fell through. Things like the tribal elders making a deal that the younger braves would then renege on but the tribal elders still considering the deal as being good because they, the tribal leaders, were not the ones who went against the deal lead to a lot of fuckery. The cultures were just so different that it was a fool's errand to try to make lasting treaties for the most part because what was considered legal, honorable, and etc. were just at odds. There were alliances made with colonials against other tribes, tribes moving in on other tribes territory and taking it over, tribes being moved from previous lands to new reservations, customs introduced including things brought over by Europeans (silver work, glass beads, horses), a lot of tribes practiced slavery, it's honestly a very interesting topic if you view it from pretty much anywhere that isn't "muh land, muh genocide". A lot of tribes where already on their way out due before whites had a say and those surviving are slowly dying out because it seems anyone from there that can and wants to do well has to leave and they don't take a spouse with them and inevitably racemix. Most all cultures do not and can not live currently the way they did before but still keep holdovers for ceremonial and tradition purposes but it seems a lot of them don't take as many hints as they should from that playbook.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The concept of Indian Gift was always funny to me. It's basically strong arming the receiver to give back something valuable. But rather than just acknowledge the fact, Wikipedia tries to yell MISUNDERSTANDING AND RACISM for something that is as old as human society.

What's the deal with the twospirit shit being adopted by queers? Are they okay with that?

From what I understand, twospirit itself is just the Indian version of ladyboy, ie, how they can fuck effeminate gays and it won't be gay, nothing really deep beyond that. The trannies just like the spiritual mumbo jumbo and Indians probably don't want to admit what it's actually about.

 

[Male Idiot]

The concept of Indian Gift was always funny to me. It's basically strong arming the receiver to give back something valuable. But rather than just acknowledge the fact, Wikipedia tries to yell MISUNDERSTANDING AND RACISM for something that is as old as human society.

From what I understand, twospirit itself is just the Indian version of ladyboy, ie, how they can fuck effeminate gays and it won't be gay, nothing really deep beyond that. The trannies just like the spiritual mumbo jumbo and Indians probably don't want to admit what it's actually about.

Reminds me of a german comedy called Manitu's Shoe.

 

[NoReturn]

What's the deal with the twospirit shit being adopted by queers? Are they okay with that?

From what I understand, twospirit itself is just the Indian version of ladyboy, ie, how they can fuck effeminate gays and it won't be gay, nothing really deep beyond that. The trannies just like the spiritual mumbo jumbo and Indians probably don't want to admit what it's actually about.

Far far and away the vast majority of "historic third genders" are some version of "failed male" and it seems like it happens in society where "becoming a man" requires some rite of passage or specific role just for the men. You almost never see a "male" role for females, and of the two I can think of off the top of my head, one only lasts under puberty and the other requires a lifetime of celibacy.

 

[Breadquanda.]

I knew one for about a year in high school and cluelessly attempted to befriend him. He was kind of odd and used to speak about how he had to move to where we were from the eastern coast a year or so prior because he got stabbed at some point, and I could never work out whether or not he was telling the truth. He also mentioned harrassing women asking if they wanted to see his abs and I think that might have embarrassed his family or something.

I never realised he was even native until he mentioned it in passing quite late (with a teacher who also declared himself Metis, despite looking even whiter than this guy), and we used to kind of laugh about colonialism and things a bit. I always just thought he was Franco-Italian since his mother was Italian and he had a French surname. His Franco-Metis (I think it was Metis, anyway) side was his dad with whom he didn't live, and who still lived in the east. His stepdad was some Balkan immigrant and a big telecom executive. Facially he was pale, but looking back you could kind of tell there was admixture.

He was very cynical, sociopathic even, and used to give presentations in class about how he didn't care at all about the environment and just wanted to exploit the environment and get big profits. He was quite open about how he idolised corrupt business practices and big successful billionaires no matter how they behaved. He wanted to be rich, more than anything else. He was not a very moral or upstanding kind of person and didn't really buy into any kind of woke SJW politics that were upsurging at that point.

I decided to look him up not that long ago and it seems he has fully embraced the grift and works for some 'indigenous capital management' firm (whatever that means). He posts about how his 'indigenous experiences' have shaped who he is today, and all of that expected nonsense. He regurgitates whatever cynical woke corporate propaganda is pumped out by the people he works for.

Whatever the sphere of finance he is in consists of, it seems to be a massive grift for government funding. Just like Trump said: 'they don't look like Indians to me'. Of course, none of this is to say that those who are truly full-blooded natives behave much better all the time.

I hate this world and what it incentivises and the types of people it gives power to. It sort of reminds me of how the white-identifying population of Puerto Rico dropped from 80% in 2000 (and 75% in 2010) to 17% in 2020: people are actively incentivised to 'escape' being white.

 

[Yamaha YM2612]

Demon worshippers who cannibalized and incested themselves into extinction and somehow europeans got blamed for this

 

[Wild at Heart]

Another liberal pet race that they dote upon, but would never live around. I have a personal disdain for Native Americans due to their stubbornness and inability to integrate. They choose to live on their awful tracts of lands that they do not maintain, and sit around drinking and taking drugs. The entire existence of them can be summarized by them imbibing alcohol and drugs en masse, and then blaming the White Man for supplying it.

They lacked the tools to be a modern society, their culture was one of cannibalism, baby killing, rape and incest before explorers ever found them. Then, because wypipo showed up and recoiled in disgust at the natives' abhorrent culture, the natives were turned into victims by revisionist historians. That's just the way the world works, the weak are absorbed by the strong, especially 400 years ago. The Natives did the same thing to their enemies, but they were too retarded to write it down and record it. Thanks for corn though, I'm sure we would have figured it out eventually.

To this day some of the tribes gather around and dance around fires and eat puppies, at least according to the natives I have talked to, thank fucking God this culture never spread.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Spent a lot of time with Natives up north in my life. They are basically nigs or white trash (at a basic level), and they are from what I understand genetically predisposed to alcoholism.

Virtually every native family I knew or interacted with was a shit show with the parents being alkies either on welfare/food stamps, or holding down some very basic job. Kids constantly unsupervised regardless of age, walking thru town and seeing toddlers barefoot in diapers playing outside at like 11 pm wasn't weird (the mom was at the bar getting hammered). Petty crimes out the ass, bikes and motorcycles would get stolen and joyridden all the time. Almost every native teenager I knew had problems with drugs and/or got pregnant before they hit 20.

There were a few standout examples of ones that actively refused to be like that, but they were very rare and sadly much like with nigs it's a very crab pot culture.

From what I've heard reservations and the like are even worse than what I experienced, their closed off nature and the fact that white man police isn't recognized in tribal lands means you can be a lot more corrupt without fed oversight. But I don't have direct experience with rez injuns.

What's the intended rationale behind "land acknowledgements," though

If there's something white liberal crackas love more than anything else it's the smug sense of superiority they get when they get to self-flagellate and cry about how bad their white cracka ancestors were and how much better and more progressive they themselves are.

 

[cybertoaster]

Near zero but I been told by some who do live near them that it varies depending which tribe it is. Some are okay people, others are cavemen with pickup trucks.

What's the intended rationale behind "land acknowledgements," though? Human history is full of conquests, and I'm pretty sure nobody's starting shows at the Globe with a paragraph about unceded Pictish land.

Its a cash grab, same reason why as holocaust survivors are dying from old age their descendants are now claiming BS like "generational trauma" to keep the payments coming but Germany for once is having none of it. Point is if we go this way there's gonna be a lot of unintended consequences, like for example practically every country in the middle east from Egypt to Israel to Iraq to Turkey, etc, should get reparations from the Saudies for the invasions and "arabization" that's just a funny way to call fucking the place up forever. Europeans who invaded the Americas were a more advanced civilization than the locals but in the middle east it was as if people who were below the Aztecs took over Europe instead, the local civilizations were way WAY more advanced but not as savage or aggressive as the mostly illiterate nomadic arab tribes so they lost, plus they didn't have firearms which was the big innovation that got rid of nomadic raider tribes once and for all. And that's just one example, the mongolians would've to pay trillions in reparations for what they did yet the cheeky bastards are making gigantic genghis khan statues, that's like Germany making a statue of a certain painter the size of a building. And practically all muslim countries but Turkey in particular would've to pay out the ass to the Balkans, eastern Europe countries and Spain for the muslim invasions.

Records go waaaaaay back, should Egypt pay Israel, Lebanon and Syria for the occupation during the New Kingdom? should Iraq pay to all countries in the region for what Assyria did? what Babylon did after them? its been three thousand years or more since but we know that happened, we even got records of the atrocities, why should an indian or a black guy get reparations but not a Serbian?............or a Phoenician?

 

[Mr. Frank Einstein Ràtheo]

There is evidence (a lot of it) that they’re descended from Aryans. That would explain the aggressive demoralization campaign against them by the Sephardim. Seems their ancestors were Aryans, and through the same program we’re in today they interbred with a brown race to the point that now they are what they are.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

I only met one, she was half white, and absolutely hot as fuck. I wanted to go wild west on her but she was married and I was 13.

my man

at least this thread makes me feel a little better about the childhood neglect. runs in the genes

 

[Male Idiot]

There is evidence (a lot of it) that they’re descended from Aryans. That would explain the aggressive demoralization campaign against them by the Sephardim. Seems their ancestors were Aryans, and through the same program we’re in today they interbred with a brown race to the point that now they are what they are.

I learned they were asian. Which tracks with how easily firewater gets them addicted, the yellow boyos just can't handle booze.

The jew may fear the samurai, but the samurai fears the russian, for his vodka breath can knock him out.

Seriously, they drink sake, which is like wine, like how whites drink shots of hard liquer.

Well at least its not fentanyl like nignogs or poo like the other type of indian...

 

[Mr. Frank Einstein Ràtheo]

I learned they were asian. Which tracks with how easily firewater gets them addicted, the yellow boyos just can't handle booze.

The jew may fear the samurai, but the samurai fears the russian, for his vodka breath can knock him out.

Seriously, they drink sake, which is like wine, like how whites drink shots of hard liquer.

Well at least its not fentanyl like nignogs or poo like the other type of indian...

There is a lot of crossover here. East Asians generally do not grow facial hair unless there is Aryan admixture. Samurai were of Aryan Ainu stock. Gautama Buddha was Aryan.

Old World Florida has done very good work presenting the facts concerning Aryans in the New World.

The Cherokee spoke Ancient Greek.