What comes after wokism? - Optimist thread

I wish kiwifarms would stop idolizing the 1990s-2000s so much, it's full of retarded middle class ideas that led to the creation of the most entitled criminal class in human history.
People idolize those times because they were far freer than today, in the case of the farms people both reflect on the early internet allowing actual free expression in a much wider area, and in reality where there was a lot less crackdown on what used to be had. The 2000s make way less sense to worship since that was post patriot act but not all of the bullshit that would inevitably come from it had come to a head. The 2000s were also the last few years, a little bit of the 2010s too before woke ideology really hit the turbo button.
 
People idolize those times because they were far freer than today, in the case of the farms people both reflect on the early internet allowing actual free expression in a much wider area, and in reality where there was a lot less crackdown on what used to be had. The 2000s make way less sense to worship since that was post patriot act but not all of the bullshit that would inevitably come from it had come to a head. The 2000s were also the last few years, a little bit of the 2010s too before woke ideology really hit the turbo button.
> far freer than today
> national assault weapons ban

Not going to disagree shits more fucked today, but it's definitely been give and take.
 
> far freer than today
> national assault weapons ban

Not going to disagree shits more fucked today, but it's definitely been give and take.
There were some bad but today we have the knock on effects of an additional ten years of societal upheaval and regulations. I would rather live with that than live with what we're dealing with. Another difference is just the pure data that is had on everyone as a result (though it'd probably have happened anyway in some form) of the effects of the patriot act that just kept stacking with everything else. It is far, far easier for the state to screw you on gotchas when everything is recorded.
 
There were some bad but today we have the knock on effects of an additional ten years of societal upheaval and regulations. I would rather live with that than live with what we're dealing with. Another difference is just the pure data that is had on everyone as a result (though it'd probably have happened anyway in some form) of the effects of the patriot act that just kept stacking with everything else. It is far, far easier for the state to screw you on gotchas when everything is recorded.
Social media is the biggest player in all of this
 
Social media is the biggest player in all of this
I'm a firm believer in that three letters helped scrounge up the money that lead to data being such a huge industry. Sure, you can see how it can make money by itself but I think it would have taken way longer to mature and perhaps enough time for proper restrictions against the hellworld it created to at least somewhat exist. The patriot act supercharged social media into the five eyes number one tool, change my mind.
 
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This guy is lionized by tech bros for a reason. Unfortunately for the purpose of this thread, his way of ensuring inter-ethnic harmony is totally incompatible with the American concept of civil rights.

Ancestral commonality is no guarantee of harmony. There are many examples of genetically homogenous states which nontheless fracture along religious or ideological lines, such as Ireland, Bosnia, or China during Cultural Revolution. Bloody feuds and civil wars have been fought between similar houses, villages, cities and tribes for millennia.

Ultimately I agree that without concerted effort from the top to defuse it, a multi-ethnic society with wildly disparate economic outcomes by race is a ticking time bomb. Multi-cultural societies are just a dumb idea all around, as even Angela Merkel famously conceded.
I think this best sums up just a part of what's eating at today's generation.
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You want to be special, you want to be unique, you want to have meaning in your life, but you want to have your cake and eat it, too. The truth of the matter is, that this mentality is what helps drive today's; let's call it a market (for good reason), and it in turn becomes emblematic. Sure, there's nothing wrong about being different, but if you're idea of being different involves being a slovenly depraved degenerate with no boundaries, no genuine morals or no sense of sanity, then you're just repeating the conditions people have purported of wanting to leave behind or improve on.
 
After Wokism? Three paths I can see, all are objectively terrible. We either continue with a new establishment politician (that isn't associated with the Bidens) and return to the "old normal" like classic coke. Wokies evolve and form their new offshoot political party and then get pushed into obscurity using different logic for the same logical outcome (controlled speech, controlled internet, controlled life, etc.). The last potential is retroactively continuing to implement martial law through the use of the Alphabet Agencies and Law Enforcement as a personal "local" military instead of the traditional branches thus sending us further into a Militaristic Authoritarian Surveillance Dystopia.
 
I don't think it's a bad thing so long as you distinguish between the fashionable ideas of the 90s, which as you say led us into Wokism, and the comfortable status quo of race and political relations from that decade. The latter is worth fond remembrance. Getting back to that such that we don't backslide into Wokism again is the hard part.
People who cannot let go of the 90s/00s are the primary reason why all of the enemies of wokism are dumber than they are. Don't worry I'm sure voting with your wallet in the marketplace of ideas against the people who print money will prevail any day now!
 
Well the closest I can think of in recent history is the Weimer Republic but that seems a bit far fetched unless the degeneracy continues and there was also other factors there too but similar extreme unemployment may be an issue if there's a sudden AI industrial revolution.
 
Well the closest I can think of in recent history is the Weimer Republic but that seems a bit far fetched unless the degeneracy continues and there was also other factors there too but similar extreme unemployment may be an issue if there's a sudden AI industrial revolution.

A big difference with Germany that many people overlook is it's a much smaller and more densely populated land area with a much more ethnically/culturally homogeneous population than the US ever had. So maybe some of the nations in Europe could go fashy again although it would be harder since they're not quite as white as they used to be. But in the US it's just not in the cards I don't think. The place is too big and spread out and diverse in the true meaning of the term to unite under a dictator.
 
What comes next? Let’s look to history. Find me:
A. Times when a declining empire was taken over, declined into insignificance, or fell through a combo of the above plus war/disaster, things went back progress wise a few hundred years and gradually built back up again
B. A declining society that pulled itself back from the edge, in any way at all.
I can think of multiple examples of A, and none of B. Happy to be corrected, would be nice to have an example.
Societal rot cycles go one way only. Societies never roll back progressive ideologies .
The best thing that could happen to us right now is a few very hard years, or a shock event that causes societal conditions to worsen materially to the point there’s a purge of degenerates. Degeneracy is a disease of complacency and hard times have no tolerance for it.
What comes next is bad.
 
People who cannot let go of the 90s/00s are the primary reason why all of the enemies of wokism are dumber than they are. Don't worry I'm sure voting with your wallet in the marketplace of ideas against the people who print money will prevail any day now!
They aren't able to move on from it because a large portion of the right-wing is bitter 30 year-old white guys who are upset they aren't teenagers anymore and are just lashing out at whatever new thing pops up out of spite then any real worry about "societal decay". Liberals have no attachment to the past outside of some media that they liked and are constantly modernizing, which is one of the many reasons why they won.
 
People who cannot let go of the 90s/00s are the primary reason why all of the enemies of wokism are dumber than they are. Don't worry I'm sure voting with your wallet in the marketplace of ideas against the people who print money will prevail any day now!
You confuse stupidity with lacking malice, perhaps willingly. A large portion of the boomerish right still thinks they can fight fairly because they don't want to stoop to that level, they want to believe holding to the same morals in this area will make them 'better'. I don't fault them for this. They do not want to see just how bad things have gotten.
 
You confuse stupidity with lacking malice, perhaps willingly. A large portion of the boomerish right still thinks they can fight fairly because they don't want to stoop to that level, they want to believe holding to the same morals in this area will make them 'better'. I don't fault them for this. They do not want to see just how bad things have gotten.
That's a 1990s style of thinking. Other, more successful styles of thinking show no mercy to stupidity, and I promise you wokism won't either. Besides this doesn't even apply to the boomer right, the boomer right are unintelligent sociopaths who simped for billionaires, corporations, and the government, incorrectly believing that they were part of the institutionalized upper-middle class, and now they've outlived their usefulness and are getting exactly what they deserve. They were the unironic supporters of "muh private companies", and it wasn't until they started getting banned from internet forums for being racists that they suddenly decided that letting corporations do whatever they want was a bad idea. They are reactionaries with no strategic vision, as evidenced by the Jan 6 insurrectionists. They consider things like philosophy, strategy, or having any sort of plan to be unmasculine, much better to spend your time showing off how American you are and learning how to change a tire. If you replaced their brains with the brain of an angry bull and you'll get the same results.
 
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